Bunny outfits for men, not a cryptid!

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Sometime in 4.3 cycle

Wasn't a fan of this idea to begin with, but it's amazing how long it took them to do this. There's like, 0 difference between the male and female sets. Seriously.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Wasn't a fan of this idea to begin with, but it's amazing how long it took them to do this. There's like, 0 difference between the male and female sets. Seriously.

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That just left me speechless, I thought the whole reason it was taking so long was because they were making a new design for males, not just slap the female outfit on males.

But hey, it goes in line with how lazy this expansion has been.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

That just left me speechless, I thought the whole reason it was taking so long was because they were making a new design for males, not just slap the female outfit on males.

But hey, it goes in line with how lazy this expansion has been.

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Yeah, the implementation of a low priority side project is totally indicative of the effort put towards the rest of the game.

Or maybe you're grasping at straws on this one.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Wasn't a fan of this idea to begin with, but it's amazing how long it took them to do this. There's like, 0 difference between the male and female sets. Seriously.

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Maybe they never planned on doing it so they did this quickly and too be honest i don't blame them this looks... not for me and too be honest i can bet you won't see people using it anyway like the female one.

I mean, I'm not exactly going to complain because we finally have it... but really? Could've done some changes that make it a bit more masculine that isn't just morphing it round the bodies?

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Originally Posted by alimdia

But hey, it goes in line with how lazy this expansion has been.

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Comboed with how lazy male glamours are in general.
I'm feeling very conflicting emotions about this. On one hand, hurray! Finally! On the other hand I was really hoping for a more Chippendales-esque design with the cuffs and a really tight vest thingie and a proper bow tie. Now the question is also will we get only the one set, or both sets seeing how the ladies have two which are basically recoloring of each other minus the ears that actually vary in design.

EDIT: yeah I'm disappointed. Because after all this time they were supposedly working on it, I wanted to see something that's more than the regular "we designed something for the ladies, but we can't totally leave the guys out, so we'll uuuuuuh model the same outfit on guys instead of designing something for guys." And then if this isn't as popular because this isn't what people were hoping for they'll use this as an excuse to further neglect male chara glamour. Not really surprised, truth be told.

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Originally Posted by Remus

Maybe they never planned on doing it so they did this quickly and too be honest i don't blame them this looks... not for me and too be honest i can bet you won't see people using it anyway like the female one.

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Nah, they've been "working on it" for awhile now, supposedly.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Yeah, the implementation of a low priority side project is totally indicative of the effort put towards the rest of the game.

Or maybe you're grasping at straws on this one.

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"Goes in line" means this isn't the only thing I'm taking into consideration here, just another thing to add to the bucket. Gear design in this expansion so far has left a lot to desire.

That their last reason for the delay they gave was that they needed an all female team to design an outfit...that ended up being essentially a 1:1 of the female outfit is hilarious.

Ive been saving my MGP for over a year now I can't wait to rock this the day it goes live :cool:

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Originally Posted by Remus

Maybe they never planned on doing it so they did this quickly and too be honest i don't blame them this looks... not for me and too be honest i can bet you won't see people using it anyway like the female one.

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Tbh I only cared about the ears on males (which should have never been gender locked to begin with). So, those who do want the outfit the way it's designed right now, power to them.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

That just left me speechless, I thought the whole reason it was taking so long was because they were making a new design for males, not just slap the female outfit on males.

But hey, it goes in line with how lazy this expansion has been.

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1. It likely was very low priority for them, with a dev just working on it every now and then.
2. They still had to make it fit on all the male models, since the bunny outfit was specifically modeled for female characters.

I expected nothing yet I'm still disappointed.

Is it it truly so difficult to design gear that is both masculine and sexy? Blergh.

At least those wanting something feminine will get what they want, I guess.

At least once it's live I can begin the fight for more masculine male glamour, though! ;)

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

both sets seeing how the ladies have two which are basically recoloring of each other minus the ears that actually vary in design.

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Looking at the image, both sets look like they're there. The normal white/red one, and the floppy ear black/purple one.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

1. It likely was very low priority for them, with a dev just working on it every now and then.
2. They still had to make it fit on all the male models, since the bunny outfit was specifically modeled for female characters.

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Hence the expectation that it would be a new design, not a copy paste.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

"Goes in line" means this isn't the only thing I'm taking into consideration here, just another thing to add to the bucket. Gear design in this expansion so far has left a lot to desire.

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I'm seeing the same amount of effort being put into designing gear as I saw in 2.0 and 3.0.

I think you're confusing your dislike of their current designs as being indicative of the effort put into designing them.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

I'm seeing the same amount of effort being put into designing gear as I saw in 2.0 and 3.0.

I think you're confusing your dislike of their current designs as being indicative of the effort put into designing them.

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Mmmmmno, they already said it takes them 6 months to design a set of gear for all genders and all races, as opposed to this taking them nearly 2 years for what is essentially not a new set.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

I'm seeing the same amount of effort being put into designing gear as I saw in 2.0 and 3.0.

I think you're confusing your dislike of their current designs as being indicative of the effort put into designing them.

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You only need to look at the difference in the quality of textures for things like Hien's outfit compared to Lyse's dress and Yotsuyu's dress. All three are very likely to be sold on the Mog Station at a later date. Furthermore, a lot of the gear with significant effort put into its design that isn't combat based gear is stuff like the Ao Dai which is gender neutral but very clearly designed with female characters in mind first and foremost.

The same can be said of many of the unisex hairstyles. Many are clearly designed with the female model in mind.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

I'm seeing the same amount of effort being put into designing gear as I saw in 2.0 and 3.0.

I think you're confusing your dislike of their current designs as being indicative of the effort put into designing them.

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Nah don't make this to be about me, every time new gear is revealed the community response is overwhelmingly negative, excluding a few good apples (like adventurer sweater, ala mhigan gown), things weren't as bad back then in 2.0 and 3.0

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Originally Posted by ErryK

as opposed to this taking them nearly 2 years for what is essentially not a new set.

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Are you not getting the part where "low priority" and "side project" come together to indicate that this was definitely not something they spent 2 years working on?

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Are you not getting the part where "low priority" and "side project" come together to indicate that this was definitely not something they spent 2 years working on?

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It took them a long time, but I doubt they were working on it tirelessly. It's probably like you said, that it was simply a low priority side project. But that said, the whole copy/paste thing is a bit disappointing considering the time it took to happen. I didn't even want this but even I view this as a lazy solution.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Are you not getting the part where "low priority" and "side project" come together to indicate that this was definitely not something they spent 2 years working on?

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They were talking about this being in the making for that long. You have interviews and panel transcripts dating that far back about this.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Hence the expectation that it would be a new design, not a copy paste.

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That seems like an odd expectation, given that it goes completely against my first point (low priority).

As for your comment on gear design, I happen to like some of the new gear they added in SB, just like I liked some of the gear they added in HW.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Mmmmmno, they already said it takes them 6 months to design a set of gear for all genders and all races, as opposed to this taking them nearly 2 years for what is essentially not a new set.

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That's comparing 6 months of continuous development vs. 2 years of an outfit being 'worked on'.
We don't know how much time they've actually spent developing it.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Nah don't make this to be about me, every time new gear is revealed the community response is overwhelmingly negative, excluding a few good apples (like adventurer sweater, ala mhigan gown), things weren't as bad back then in 2.0 and 3.0

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Negative in response to the chosen design of the gear (though I'd be willing to bet the number of players who either are apathetic about it or like the design is more than you think).

But that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about you judging the amount of effort you think they put into work based on whether or not you like how it looks.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Are you not getting the part where "low priority" and "side project" come together to indicate that this was definitely not something they spent 2 years working on?

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People are annoyed that it took so long because they claimed to be working on it from scratch...which is the same thing they said about Edda's outfit. Mysteriously after announcing that it'd be available someday it arrived in a matter of months and on the Mog Station to boot. Male glamour, meanwhile, is definitely a low priority - and that isn't a good thing at all. Numerous threads have been made over the last year or so with people stating they want more effort put into male glamour options, more masculine glamour options and generally just more equal treatment.

Yet time and time again they seem to miss the mark entirely...or feminise everything. Which wouldn't be a bad thing if there was more variety/equality.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Are you not getting the part where "low priority" and "side project" come together to indicate that this was definitely not something they spent 2 years working on?

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Not two entire years, no, but we've been waiting two years for it.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

That's comparing 6 months of continuous development vs. 2 years of an outfit being 'worked on'.
We don't know how much time they've actually spent developing it.

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We don't, but the fact that we've been waiting 2 years for what is essentially a copy and paste is rather disappointing even when you were expecting less.

Frankly, I'm not gonna argue anymore. I'm made my peace that I'm disappointed that it's essentially a copy-paste job rather than something new and exciting for males, but it reflects on the history of SE and favoring female glamour, which we know is apparent.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

People are annoyed that it took so long because they claimed to be working on it from scratch...which is the same thing they said about Edda's outfit. Mysteriously after announcing that it'd be available someday it arrived in a matter of months and on the Mog Station to boot. Male glamour, meanwhile, is definitely a low priority - and that isn't a good thing at all. Numerous threads have been made over the last year or so with people stating they want more effort put into male glamour options, more masculine glamour options and generally just more equal treatment.

Yet time and time again they seem to miss the mark entirely...or feminise everything. Which wouldn't be a bad thing if there was more variety/equality.

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I agree with you 100%, but I think they base things solely on which races/genders are highest in numbers. At least, that's how it appears. I play a female Highlander, so the gear doesn't always hit the mark, but largely it does. There's just so many female Miqo'te and Au Ra, and that's what they probably make most of the gear for. It makes sense to appeal to a large swath of the player base, but it doesn't really end well for male characters most of the time.

I don't normally post on the forums but aren't most people upset when SE makes male outfits look different from their female counterparts? I remember a thread dedicated to that and with the spring pants [I do think that was the item anyway] so they might have felt it wasn't really needed to change them since people just wanted that outfit for males?

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It makes sense to appeal to a large swath of the player base, but it doesn't really end well for male characters most of the time.

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This argument is problematic when you consider that a lot of people play female charas BECAUSE of the glamour situation. It's a self fulfilling prophecy at this point.
Also, you'd think that with all the bots running around, the leading demographic would be male Midlanders, but somehow SE can tell those apart from actual players but they can't ban them...?

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Originally Posted by SnowDraconis

I don't normally post on the forums but aren't most people upset when SE makes male outfits look different from their female counterparts? I remember a thread dedicated to that and with the spring pants [I do think that was the item anyway] so they might have felt it wasn't really needed to change them since people just wanted that outfit for males?

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If they had made it yet another pair of Generic Pants™ like they did with the spring bottoms, yes, we'd have been upset. Change in itself isn't that horrible, the new AST set has differences but they're more than acceptable imo. Thing is, it looks like SE can't design things for males, period, because it's either the bland pants we got from the fashion report, or just a copy-paste of the female outfit which don't even look that good on a male physique to begin with.

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Originally Posted by SnowDraconis

I don't normally post on the forums but aren't most people upset when SE makes male outfits look different from their female counterparts? I remember a thread dedicated to that and with the spring pants [I do think that was the item anyway] so they might have felt it wasn't really needed to change them since people just wanted that outfit for males?

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I don't really care about this outfit one way or another, but I think at least some were expecting something more than copy/pasting it from one gender to the other considering the time it took for it to actually happen. They made it sound as though it'd be different, and it wasn't.

I like how the Highlander is wrist-deep in butt.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

We don't, but the fact that we've been waiting 2 years for what is essentially a copy and paste is rather disappointing even when you were expecting less.

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I'm not debating that people will find this disappointing.

I'm pointing out to those like alimdia the faulty logic of equating the low effort put into this, a low priority side project, with the effort put into other areas (also the faulty logic in the apparent belief that because a community doesn't like a design that it means they were lazy/put low effort into that design). That was the fourth post in this thread for cripes sake, trying to make such a tenuous leap of logic.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

I'm not debating that people will find this disappointing.

I'm pointing out to those like alimdia the faulty logic of equating the low effort put into this, a low priority side project, with the effort put into other areas (also the faulty logic in the apparent belief that because a community doesn't like a design that it means they were lazy/put low effort into that design).

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You are free to believe what you want to believe, I will do the same.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

the low effort put into this, a low priority side project

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That logic in itself is faulty. Just because it's a low priority side project doesn't mean it needs to be an after-thought. This was obviously put in place to try and silence the masses who wanted it, and shows that they refused to invest the resources necessary for it or even to get what the community really wanted. Just in the recent interview put up Yoshi P keeps saying about so many things "we couldn't allocate the resources for this, for that", and it feels like they didn't have the resources needed but they went with it anyway. That's why people are upset and displeased.

tl;dr low priority side project does not equate something that can be low quality. But that's what this feels like.

Didn't want it. Hated the thought of it. Just offering another opinion.

Screw the haters, I'm glad it's an exact feminine copy. The comedy potential just got cranked up to 11.

Well done Devs, equality at its finest.

Honestly, they labelled it as being different from the female outfit but after all this time, all this waiting for us who love our male characters...we have this? I'm close to never coming back, they don't listen to what we say, they just see our mouths moving and choose whatever words they want.

I really don't know what to say about this, i mean I expected to be a bit more different maybe? I can't be angry at all because it's going to be finally available for the males but i'm just disappointed since people been waiting for this and me since 3.0 and we are getting this. Did they really work on this for 2 years? But anyway at least they giving us this service finally after all these 2 years i guess i shouldn't complain at the slightest now.

Wait... so I have a few questions for some of the people complaining here. I would love some answers if anyone doesn't mind because right now I don't understand. Going to take you through my train of thought.

First off you wanted bunny outfits for men - cool, I don't play a male character at all but I wouldn't want to stand in anyone's way so long as their requests don't negatively impact my gameplay.

Next you (as a collective) made this request the undisputed poster child for gender glam equality - this is in people's signatures, this is brought up in any discussion about female characters having more glam options. People always say "unlock everything! It's already in the game, can't be much work!"

Now you've gotten the thing you've requested, that's great! I mean better late than never, right?

But now you're unhappy that the glam is the same as the female glam. So, like, equal. Almost like they took the "it's already in the game I don't see what's so hard about it!" at face value.

So now... the thing so many people preached isn't actually good enough?

Wait, these bunny suits aren't masculine enough for you? I hate to be offensive but for Hydalen's sake they are casino lingerie how masculine did you think they'd be?

If SE had taken the briefs and made them shorts people would complain about the men being more covered up. If they'd done away with the heels for plain black boots there would be people offended SE didn't think men could wear heels.

I just don't think SE could win. They gave you guys the most requested thing apart from Viera and you're conplaining about it. How? Why not be grateful?

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Originally Posted by DawnSeeker

Did they really work on this for 2 years?

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Stuff like this. No, of course they didn't work on this for two years. What gives you the imprssion that could be the case? I don't understand.