Gerolt gits gud.

He can now exchange 10 or 50 anemos crystals at once. Our suffering is now less painful.

Does it calculate the rng one per crystal, not at all (average of 3.5 resulting in 35 or 175 depending on stack) or once per stack (the least favorable option, naturally)? (not at home to check)

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Does it calculate the rng one per crystal, not at all (average of 3.5 resulting in 35 or 175 depending on stack) or once per stack (the least favorable option, naturally)? (not at home to check)

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Based on this screenshot posted on Reddit, it seems like the convertion is calculated separately:

https://i.redd.it/qgtnwbpkxnp01.png

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

He can now exchange 10 or 50 anemos crystals at once. Our suffering is now less painful.

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That is awesome. I haven't had time to use it yet. Would be nice if the lockboxes had a more then one option as well although I can see where inventory might be an issue with those.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

Based on this screenshot posted on Reddit, it seems like the convertion is calculated separately:

https://i.redd.it/qgtnwbpkxnp01.png

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With a tendency for the upper average to boot. This is amazing, thank you

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

That is awesome. I haven't had time to use it yet. Would be nice if the lockboxes had a more then one option as well although I can see where inventory might be an issue with those.

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They could probably implement a check where you can only open up 10 lockboxes at the same time if you have 11 open inventory slots(1 additional because something might break into a new stack).

Thank goodness, now let's work on lockboxes now..

50 Converted into 102, 203, 139, 136, 169, 196, 196, 130....

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Originally Posted by Jxnibbles

50 Converted into 102, 203, 139, 136, 169, 196, 196, 130....

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Is the probability of getting any amount per crystal evenly distributed? If so that 102 is kinda crazy, the odds you would get that many 2s if the distribution is even must be incredibly low...

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Originally Posted by Zova

Is the probability of getting any amount per crystal evenly distributed? If so that 102 is kinda crazy, the odds you would get that many 2s if the distribution is even must be incredibly low...

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I had 10 Anemos each give 2, in a row, the other day. RNGesus hates some, and loves others(must be the lack of sacrifices...)

Yeah RNGesus plays with my heart here. 104 prothean for 50 anemos. Lmao

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Is the probability of getting any amount per crystal evenly distributed? If so that 102 is kinda crazy, the odds you would get that many 2s if the distribution is even must be incredibly low...

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RNG gonna RNG. Put enough people through it and someone will get the short end of the stick like that.

Exchanging the items one at a time still gives way more crystals overall due to the way the rng is working on trading in 10 or 50.
The difference is huge

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Originally Posted by Tridus

RNG gonna RNG. Put enough people through it and someone will get the short end of the stick like that.

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I mean, I know that with RNG you will see lots of outcomes that seem improbable given enough trials. The thing that seems crazy to me is if the probability of a 2,3,4, and 5 are all even, i.e. 1/4 for each one, then the odds of seeing a 102 total with 50 rolls is about 1 in 10 ^ 27, or one time out of every billion billion billion 50 roll trials. My math might be wrong of course, I never was that good at statistics and probabilites. Of course if the odds aren't even then none of this applies...

Its probably just taking a random number from 100 to 250 for 50.

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I mean, I know that with RNG you will see lots of outcomes that seem improbable given enough trials. The thing that seems crazy to me is if the probability of a 2,3,4, and 5 are all even, i.e. 1/4 for each one, then the odds of seeing a 102 total with 50 rolls is about 1 in 10 ^ 27, or one time out of every billion billion billion 50 roll trials. My math might be wrong of course, I never was that good at statistics and probabilites. Of course if the odds aren't even then none of this applies...

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The RNG definitely favors the house. It’s common when I’m gathering I’ll have 97% to hit and miss 3 times in a row.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Exchanging the items one at a time still gives way more crystals overall due to the way the rng is working on trading in 10 or 50.
The difference is huge

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I would never have enough data to show why I disagree with this, in the end, my time and fingers > caring over that. You get more then enough not to care, getting 110 to 230 per 50 is fine enough to get mutli relics just off getting level 20.

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I mean, I know that with RNG you will see lots of outcomes that seem improbable given enough trials. The thing that seems crazy to me is if the probability of a 2,3,4, and 5 are all even, i.e. 1/4 for each one, then the odds of seeing a 102 total with 50 rolls is about 1 in 10 ^ 27, or one time out of every billion billion billion 50 roll trials. My math might be wrong of course, I never was that good at statistics and probabilites. Of course if the odds aren't even then none of this applies...

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Close enough. :) Here's a nice tool to calculate the probability of every possible outcome: http://anydice.com/program/f62a It is pretty unlikely, but so are a lot of outcomes. It's very slanted towards the middle.

This is also assuming they are doing 50 rolls. If they're doing a single roll and just multiplying by 50, the odds of a 102 are equal to that of any other outcome.

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This is also assuming they are doing 50 rolls. If they're doing a single roll and just multiplying by 50, the odds of a 102 are equal to that of any other outcome.

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I'm with Ariane, they're probably taking the min possible value (2 * num of crystals) and max possible value (5 * num of crystals) and then random within that range. They're not wrong, per-se, and my napkin math over lunch did show it should still average to around 3.5 average but it stings a lot more to see a result that's basically 50 2 rolls in a row

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Exchanging the items one at a time still gives way more crystals overall due to the way the rng is working on trading in 10 or 50.
The difference is huge

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Who gives a damn, really.
Crystals come so fast and I have so many just by leveling to 20 that I can plaster a highway from Eorzea to Garlemald.

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Exchanging the items one at a time still gives way more crystals overall due to the way the rng is working on trading in 10 or 50.
The difference is huge

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Stating an opinion as a fact, lawl.

I've gotten between 100 and 250 when exchanging 50 at a time. Unless there's something that makes you 'more likely to get better loot for one at a time', then your basis has no foundation.

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Originally Posted by Ariane

Its probably just taking a random number from 100 to 250 for 50.

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I hadn't considered that, but it sounds like a good possibility based on some of the numbers people are reporting.