Take Castrum/Praetorium out of Mentor Roulette

I can deal with an hour of wiping to extreme trials but 40 mins of not playing the game is not worth 10 measly tomestones. Since reworking the duties to not be awful is too much effort then only people who actively choose to do the awful should have to suffer.

Not going to happen. It's called a "Roulette" for a reason.

And if you're using Mentor Roulette for rewards other than gil, wins for title/Astrope, and/or helping people because you want to, you are choosing the wrong roulette to queue in.

Disagree. Mentor Roulette includes basically everything except Coil, Savage, and current Extremes. It should, by default, contain all instances required for MSQ progression, which would include Castrum and Praetorium.

I can agree that Mentor Roulette tomestones could be increased just a little bit, but the point of the roulette isn’t tomestones: it’s for helping other players. If you don’t like the idea of maybe getting something you don’t want to do from the roulette, don’t queue up for it.

Then please explain how to help people when watching cutscenes for 40 minutes. I do the roulette because teaching people the basics in dungeons or the strats of extreme trials is fun. There is no fun to be had and no help to be given in the mess that Praetorium has become.

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Originally Posted by PraiseSultana

Then please explain how to help people when watching cutscenes for 40 minutes. I do the roulette because teaching people the basics in dungeons or the strats of extreme trials is fun. There is no fun to be had and no help to be given in the mess that Praetorium has become.

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Mentor Roulette is also used to fill queues. You being put in there helped fill a queue that new players were probably utilizing. If there were new players in your Castrum or Praetorium that you got through Mentor Roulette, and they needed to clear it to progress, then you fulfilled one of the purposes of the roulette. Both actually: you helped a new player achieve a needed queue and get through the instance, even if you didn’t have to explain any of the mechanics.

Mentor roulette is like russian roulette, you won't know what you get til it comes. I like helping people, but I also want to get "good" rewards for my time. 40+ mins of non-skippable cutscenes is not really helping people and the rewards are meh at best. It's a slippery slope though. On one hand you want to help players, but on the other hand you value your time in game and also want some compensation for your efforts.

In my case, I don't bother with MSQ roulette anymore. As far as Mentor roulette, I only do it if I feel like it. Often times I'll get a extreme trial or a Alliance Raid or a 4 man dungeon. I've yet to get these 2 dungeons, but if I ever do, I'll gladly eat whatever penalty/with a side of frosted flakes I get.

My advice: Just don't queue into them.

Did it occur to you that the "help" needed is people to fill the ranks?

Stop being selfish and help out..or take the badge off and walk away.

Mentor Roulette is fine. If you can't commit the time...don't do it.
And to add to that - you're expected to HELP....not just show up for your "daily reward".

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Originally Posted by PraiseSultana

I can deal with an hour of wiping to extreme trials but 40 mins of not playing the game is not worth 10 measly tomestones. Since reworking the duties to not be awful is too much effort then only people who actively choose to do the awful should have to suffer.

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totally agree. in this trashdungons is nothing to help. its a hard waste of time. a mentor should not be kindergarten teacher. if i ever get one of this 2 dungeons i just take my right to leave and gather or craft for 30 minutes. the new ones want to watch the clips? go and watch them with 7 other new ones.

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Originally Posted by EmmaVirgin

totally agree. in this trashdungons is nothing to help. its a hard waste of time. a mentor should not be kindergarten teacher. if i ever get one of this 2 dungeons i just take my right to leave and gather or craft for 30 minutes. the new ones want to watch the clips? go and watch them with 7 other new ones.

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Then you don't really deserve to be a Mentor, in my opinion. The roulette is there to not only instruct new players, but also keep the queues moving. if you aren't willing to help new players through MSQ content such as Castrum and Praetorium (which is a significant wall in MSQ progression like all other MSQ instances), then please remove yourself from the Mentor System. It's as simple as that. You help by filling a queue. Don't want to help? Then don't be a person that is openly advertising to help other players.

i never had a problem with this 2 dungeons. se made the problem. im not willing to waste my time to help someone to watch some clips. im pretty sure they can solve it without a mentor.

i rly like to help. but like i said. this 2 dungeons are stupid easy. what should i tell them in it? oh yes i know.

BURN THE TRASH MECHANICS DONT MATTER HERE AND ENJOY YOUR MOVIE!

and in my opinion 80%-90% of all "mentors" dont deserve it to be one. always dead , unable to tank more then 3 enemys , lower dps then all others in a group , no clue what to do with a stackmarker. the list of trashmentors is endless.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

then please remove yourself from the Mentor System.

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i answer this with the answer i get many times for trying to help. "you dont pay my sub" :-P

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Originally Posted by EmmaVirgin

i answer this with the answer i get many times for trying to help. "you dont pay my sub" :-P

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Unfortunately people seem to think this fact absolves them of all responsibility of their actions, like it doesn't affect others in any way.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Unfortunately people seem to think this fact absolves them of all responsibility of their actions, like it doesn't affect others in any way.

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maybe you didnt noticed. but it was

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If yer goin in as dps im fine with you leaving, just dont do that as a tank with a newbie co-tank cause then you're making everyone suffer.

I dont want it removed from the roulette though, dps wait time is long enough as it is.

Back when I was going through the MSQ and I got these two for the first time I went in as a tank and was extremely nervous going in blind not knowing what to do. I was very thankful that I happened to get a mentor co-tank for both of these and they were very nice. It made me feel a lot better about tackling these and I had the chance to start learning.

Now that I'm a mentor I have no problem at all queuing for either of these, because I know there's other new players that are nervous about doing them for the first time. I've never had either of these in the mentor roulette, but I do occasionally queue in for them in the MSQ roulette.

There's a lot of mentors that are in it just for the title or rewards. That's not why I signed up, and I have no problems spending a little time in older content if it means a new player's experience is better or they get to advance with the story.

Basically, if you don't have the patience for it, don't do the roulette.

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Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

Not going to happen. It's called a "Roulette" for a reason.

And if you're using Mentor Roulette for rewards other than gil, wins for title/Astrope, and/or helping people because you want to, you are choosing the wrong roulette to queue in.

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So are all the other roulettes, yet each of them are specifically geared towards target categories or goals.

We can't mentor people on how best to watch their forcibly viewed cutscenes.

If such instances are to remain on mentor roulette they should at least have content-dependent bonuses based on where the roulette actually sends you, as some areas of content take far longer than others; all other roulettes time out to similar totals between their possibilities.

Leaving it as is discourages mentors either or both from joining the queue at all or trying to teach anyone in a location where the instance allows so little allows for teaching, at least compared to literally anything else.

I like that Mentor Roulette can fill any and all queues, but it at least needs not to uniquely suffer from that fact.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

So are all the other roulettes, yet each of them are specifically geared towards target categories or goals.

We can't mentor people on how best to watch their forcibly viewed cutscenes.

If such instances are to remain on mentor roulette they should at least have content-dependent bonuses based on where the roulette actually sends you, as some areas of content take far longer than others; all other roulettes time out to similar totals between their possibilities.

Leaving it as is discourages mentors either or both from joining the queue at all or trying to teach anyone in a location where the instance allows so little allows for teaching, at least compared to literally anything else.

I like that Mentor Roulette can fill any and all queues, but it at least needs not to uniquely suffer from that fact.

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Regardless if Mentor Roulettes has the dungeons that has unskippable cutscenes, don't ignore the fact that the Mentor Roulette includes extreme primals from ALL of A Realm Reborn and Heavensward Patches.

While Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium has those mandatory cutscenes, they can be cleared easily. It helps new people go further in the story and rewards people with at least something for winning (tomes, gil, exp, time shared during cutscenes, etc.) Rewards may or may not be taken for granted. Your mileage may vary.

If you get Extreme Primals like Thordan, Sephirot, or Zurvan EX in Mentor Roulette, how long will it take you to explain the significant mechanics? Will the new people "care" about how to apply the mechanics "taught" during the fight? Can you apply the strats learned in a 60 minute timeframe? Stuff like Thordan's Spear of the Fury, Sephirot's purple/green aoe baits, and Zurvan's Broken Seal come to mind.

Keep in mind even the good farm parties flub the tough mechanics from time to time in Extreme Primals.

It's funny that before the MSQ duties were amended to force watch the cutscenes, no one really cared if it was in Mentor Roulette or not. But now suddenly because there were changed, no one wants to sit around for 40min+ waiting for it to all process along. To be honest if you are queuing for Mentor Roulette, you should be expected to have sufficient time put to one side to do it because yeah you might get some easy guildhest, but you also may very well get one of the Extreme Trials and we all know they aren't going to go fast. No one is expecting you to stay the full duration explaining all the mechs and wiping non stop, but you did queue to either to help new players or fill queues so make an effort or don't bother queuing. Mentor Roulette ain't anyone's own personal roulette just so they can get easy stuff.

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Originally Posted by PraiseSultana

I can deal with an hour of wiping to extreme trials but 40 mins of not playing the game is not worth 10 measly tomestones. Since reworking the duties to not be awful is too much effort then only people who actively choose to do the awful should have to suffer.

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I would run Castrum/Praetorium anyday over EX trials or raids like Alexander that aren't even needed for anything.

Some of the posts in this thread remind me why I avoid mentors like the plague. It's a program SE needs to either overhaul or scrap because the majority of them aren't doing anything to help the game more enjoyable for the new player. They're just trying to blast through content as fast as possible for the sake of getting closer to the roulette achievement and don't care that it creates a worse experience for the players they are presumably there to help.

There should be 2 types of mentor roulettes.

1. Roulette: Mentor (just everything you can get from all other roulettes but alliance raides)
2. Roulette: Mentor (Extreme) this one can also include ex fights. If you get one of those and finish then it counts as 3.

At least one of the tanks should know what to do in MSQ. I ran with a group that was new to the game leveling up my DPS. And the only other player there who knew the run was another DPS. If you leave the teaching to a non-mentor, what will a mentor status mean then?

People want ex trials and praetorum/castrum removed from mentor roulette... go for it but remove the mount reward and tomestones as rewards... cuz you damn sure don't get them for doing leveling roulette, expert roulette, or any other roulette (which is what mentor would be without ex trials and msq)

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

tomestones as rewards... cuz you damn sure don't get them for doing leveling roulette, expert roulette, or any other roulette

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These you can get from most of the roulettes...as long as you are the right level when you queue up for it that is.

But I do agree with what you are saying. Actually had an Ifrit EX that succeeded, on the fourth pull...with very little talking(people adjusted quickly after each wipe...so didn't even have to say much really)

IMO the duty you take on as a mentor is making sure partymates are comfortable and feel welcome just as much as it is making sure they are knowledgable. Part of this is alleviating boredom. Press enter during cutscenes and interact with folks, make jokes, riff whatever's happening in the cutscene.

There are seven other poor souls who are also trapped in this hell with you, take care of them.