Update on Battle Regimens

We wanted to give everyone an update on battle regimens; once we have finalized the battle fixes and implemented jobs in patch 1.21, we will move forward with our plans to re-implement an optimized battle regimen system to go along with the battle system. Since combos have just recently been added, we will also be looking into the possibility of changing the battle regimen system.

Due to this, we are unable to provide any additional information or an implementation date, but we will be sure to let you know of any other information that comes our way.

Thank you for the update Rukkirii. :)

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

We wanted to give everyone an update on battle regimens; once we have finalized the battle fixes and implemented jobs in patch 1.21, we will move forward with our plans to re-implement an optimized battle regimen system to go along with the battle system. Since combos have just recently been added, we will also be looking into the possibility of changing the battle regimen system.

Due to this, we are unable to provide any additional information or an implementation date, but we will be sure to let you know of any other information that comes our way.

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Please put a Elemental burst at end of Battle Regiment ^^

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Originally Posted by Ninja-Ki

Please put a Elemental burst at end of Battle Regiment ^^

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If they go an XI-ish route, I would say shuffle things up, placing the magic cast anywhere in the battle regimen, not only at the end.

With the current battle system and the state of the self-combo system, there's really only one way to go with battle regimens. It will likely be that our finishers will end up being used for battle regimen's. So instead of spending 1500 TP for 3 attacks, we will likely end up spending 3000 TP each among the players in the regimen for a strong attack.

You might be able to do various things like add bonuses from attacking all from the same direction... like, Everyone in the battle regimen attacks from the rear, and it will cause rear incapacitating damage for all attacks.

Otherwise, the bonus for doing the regimens would have to be insane for us to not use our other weapon skills with our combos, or it would have to allow for combos within regimens, which may be fun or may become way too complicated.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

We wanted to give everyone an update on battle regimens; once we have finalized the battle fixes and implemented jobs in patch 1.21, we will move forward with our plans to re-implement an optimized battle regimen system to go along with the battle system. Since combos have just recently been added, we will also be looking into the possibility of changing the battle regimen system.

Due to this, we are unable to provide any additional information or an implementation date, but we will be sure to let you know of any other information that comes our way.

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Please make regimen (regiment?) awesome. I'm completely willing to wait a few extra patches if you make it as smooth as combos.

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Originally Posted by Holland

If they go an XI-ish route, I would say shuffle things up, placing the magic cast anywhere in the battle regimen, not only at the end.

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it make more sense for it to be at the end Ws---> Ws --> Ws = dark skillchain then follow by the black mage doing a nuke doing 3-5k Dmg.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

it make more sense for it to be at the end Ws---> Ws --> Ws = dark skillchain then follow by the black mage doing a nuke doing 3-5k Dmg.

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I was hoping that magic and WS would work something like how I imagined it would when I saw that trailer where the party is fighting a malboro, and the mage casts a fire spell on the archer's bow and it turns it into a fire arrow. This is the kind of group combos I want to see.

Mage casts thunder before the melee's weaponskill and turns the damage into thunder based attack. Similar to how pugilist fist currently works.

edit: Actually I have a lot of inspirations on what sort of group combos there should be, might as well write up a post since I am waiting for maintenance lol

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

it make more sense for it to be at the end Ws---> Ws --> Ws = dark skillchain then follow by the black mage doing a nuke doing 3-5k Dmg.

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Not really. Mages are people just like everyone else. ; ___ ;

Why should our abilities only chain if we have two DoWs? Two DoMs or one of each could never do anything together.

It didn't bother me as much in XI because we *all* had weapon skills. Even Black Mage, though they never really gained TP. At least for duoing, I could use a staff WS to chain with my melee friend before raeeeeeping a mob with a magic burst. :D

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Originally Posted by Ninja-Ki

Please put a Elemental burst at end of Battle Regiment ^^

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No thanks.

Please Go Crono Trigger/Cross on this and make it so that Battle Regimes require two or more specific classes with specifc skills to create New skills.

Fire + Fast Blade = Red Lotus Blade

Leg Sweep + Sucker Punch = Some Crazy Skill Where Lancer Trips the Enemy and Puglist drives it's face into the ground.


You don't have to make every skill link every skill. Personally, I'd rather only certain combos work. But the potential for higher tiers of this could make for very interesting mechanics.

DO NOT:

Allow for infinite time to set up these skills while everyone stands around unable to attack.

Thanks for the update, I look forward to further depth in party-based battle. ^^

I'm hoping that for group combos that they work much like current solo combos work, only the game will recognize abilities from party members to complete the combo. There should also be a variety of effects from group combos. These should include these types of things:

Damage increase combo:
This combo occur when two or more melee combine their WS together. This is most similar to FFXI style of combos. If successful the combined WS will create an effect that does more damage.

Ex: Doomspike+Chaos Thrust = Apocalypse Thrust (A unique WS that can only be created by these two WS used in succession. Damage is increased because this 3rd WS is created by the combo)

Enfeebling effect combo:
This one I can imagine two or more melee using their WS to create an enfeebling effect on the mob.

Ex: Riot Blade+Bloodletter= Corrosive Arrow (adds a bleed effect to the mob that also lowers mobs defense on each tick of dmg. When effect wears off mob takes additional damage and defense is ignored for some seconds)

Healing increase combo:
For this combo two or more healers combine their healing spells to create a more potent healing spell, this can be used to save the mana of each one as they can use weaker cures but still heal more. I can also see this adding a special effect like Heal over time or a delayed release cure that can be activated later somewhat like blissful mind but for HP.

Ex: Cure+Cure= Divine Intervention (Cure potency is increased for each cure and adds a buff to the target party member which heals over time and heals for additional HP when the effect expires. Buff only takes effect if both cures effect the same target)

Enhancing effect combo:
This one I imagine a healer and melee work together to create an enhancing effect.

Ex: Howling Fist+Aera= Hurricane Fist (A conjurer casts aera spell after melee ws and adds wind elemental dmg to the ws. If the ws lands, the user also gets a buff which increase attack speed for some seconds. )

Elemental damage combo: This combo is for BLM and melee to work together. A blm casts elemental nuke before ws to create a new elemental ws.

Ex. Firaga+Wide Volley = Firestorm (An area effect attack that delivers fire damage over a wide area. Causes the area of effect to become engulfed in flames and causes damage over time (burn effect) to anything in the area for some seconds)

Magic damage increase combo:
This combo is for two blms to work together to deliver massive magic damage. For these I want to see the types of elemental abilities carried over from FFXI. It would be good nostalgia I think. FFXI player should remember the elemental combos. Could utilize FFXIV elemental wheel knowledge to create these.

Ex: Fire+Fire=Fusion, Thunder+Thunder=Impaction etc. (FFXI example for level 2 combo)
To make level 3 it gets more complicated and you have to think of the elemental wheel umbral and astral and all that.
Fire+Ice = Water
Ice+Water+Stone = Darkness
So to make level 3 you would have to do Fire+Blizzard+Stone=Darkness (hope you follow me there lol) Yes this means to do level 3 combo you'd have to level cnj to get stone. :P

Anyways that's some of the things I thought of. Sorry if I explained it bad but I think you get my meaning! :)

Chrono Trigger / Chrono Cross / Romancing Saga (3) style would be nice :D

BR will slow again the already slow BS ...

I believe I remember reading an interview where Yoshida said that they were thinking of implementing a system where different players link together combos to unleash some sort of super-attack (which, naturally, would look really awesome). I like that idea. Or, if we wanted to go more Chrono Trigger-ish, we could have two or three players hitting their combos at the same time to unleash something awesome.

Man, they could make something really cool here. I can't wait!

Please just build in the option for well coordinated groups (DD in particular) to get greater use out of the system whatever it is than if they all spammed skills solo oblivious to the actions of others.

The battle system does not button mashing, it needs some depth at some level and coordinated group attacks are the perfect place to add this. I want "battle regimens" that are difficult to pull off, especially in the heat of battle while you are having to pay attention to other things as well, but which are rewarding when everyone is in sync. Battle Regimen even with it's problems remains the best combat system this game has seen to date simply because it allowed for good groups to do more damage when coordinating together than they could hope to by themselves just off doing their own thing.

As long as this system retains that (hopefully with a bit more depth/flash) I'll be happy.

I hope this will help end class stacking.

This is good news.

I miss teamwork.

I just want some special animations when you do certain combos. A lot for mage/melee combos

Fire Vortex : Whirlwind and Fire(ra/aga) will make a huge fire vortex around the Marauder and cause a DoT that lasts 20 sec to all mobs around the target.

Fist of the Dragon : Howling Fist and Fire(ra/aga) will make a flame dragon face shoot out of the Pugilists fists that deals fire damage to the mob and causes attack down debuff.

Ramuh's Deathspike : Doomspike and Thunder(ra/aga) will turn doomspike into a giant electric staff that peirces through all mobs to the actual target. Deal massive damage.

Halone's Fury : Rage of Halone and Blizzard will turn it into the diety's element and the final blow will freeze the target, stunning them for 7 seconds. If it does not stun the target, it will slow them for 20 seconds. The final blow becomes a huge ice sword.

Ice Storm : Quick Nock and Blizzard will turn the arrows into spikes of ice and attack all targets in a straight line between you and the target. Will give random debuffs of slow, stun, or attack down.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

No thanks.

Please Go Crono Trigger/Cross on this and make it so that Battle Regimes require two or more specific classes with specifc skills to create New skills.

Fire + Fast Blade = Red Lotus Blade

Leg Sweep + Sucker Punch = Some Crazy Skill Where Lancer Trips the Enemy and Puglist drives it's face into the ground.


You don't have to make every skill link every skill. Personally, I'd rather only certain combos work. But the potential for higher tiers of this could make for very interesting mechanics.

DO NOT:

Allow for infinite time to set up these skills while everyone stands around unable to attack.

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I like this. This would also mean that the battle regimens would strongly influence party choice. Which would in turn discourage stacking classes because 4 Arcs have 0 regimens where as 1Arc, 1Lnc, 1Mrd, and 1Pug will have tons of regimens allowing for an over all greater damage output.

Of all of the things in Final Fantasy XI, the skillchain was one of the best features.

It required timing and coordination of your party (team) in order to execute it. If the magic attack spell was not started during the right window or if the sequential weaponskills were executed too soon or too late, then the magic burst failed.

It was not that difficult to learn. It was even fun instructing noobs how to do it. The end increased damage was definitely worth the effort.

While I am concerned that they made some weaponskill combos dependant on starting from in front of the monster, I really hope they take something good from FFXI.

I hope that they do not make it so that there are timers that let you know exactly how long you have to continue the battle regimen's progress like the combo timer.

They are most likely going to use the same system present in combos to introduce regimens this time, probably tie it to a status effect as well which 'tracks' which effects the monster suffers in a given amount of time.

From my perspective on how they introduced combos with a status timer, it seems to be an actual programming shortcoming rather than a planned feature. However, given this is likely a status on the monster, not on you, you can probably notice when you've ran out of time to get the Regimen going, but not how much time you have left.

Also please, please, PLEASE don't make it a completely arcane and unexplained system. It's all nice and cool to have some combos to discover by yourself and all but, you know, at least some introductory and basics, and some advanced 'iconic' ones, needs to be obviously executable, or at least there needs to be INSTRUCTIONS on how it works. Otherwise people will nevr really get the hang of it at all.

I also miss teamwork. I also am a fan of "windowed timing" in an MMO. Actions that require exact timing are always publicly dragged through the community mud, whether or not they're from player error or server latency. Actions that require timing, but give a reasonable window to account for latency seem to promote teamwork, a sense of urgency in battle, and can be implemented both with melee and magical attacks.

I also dream of defensive/buffing combos. E.G: CNJ [Protect] > THM [Sanguine Right] > MP drain spikes on everyone in range of the effect until protect wears off. Crazy nonsense like that which gives us flexibility in all of our applications- not just different ways we can attack.

I think if they give you a reasonable window of time to execute the combo it should be fine. Some people might believe strongly that you shouldn't have that much time to set up the combo. but I think you should be given ample time in order for other members to catch on to what you're doing and then follow up with the proper thing without even saying anything.

People did this with skillchains in FFXI. Experienced players had the skillchains memorized and could follow up someone's weaponskill with the proper WS to do a skillchain without even planning it ahead of time. I think eventually people will get to this point in FFXIV as well if a combo system is developed. However I think much more time should be allowed to perform the combo in FFXIV. I'd suggest a time limit of a full minute. The reasoning for this is because many combos require the player to be in the proper position in order to execute. Without enough time for positioning people may have a hard time executing the combos. Also one minute would be enough time for multiple party members to realize what's happening, get tp, get in position, and execute the proper combo.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

No thanks.

Please Go Crono Trigger/Cross on this and make it so that Battle Regimes require two or more specific classes with specifc skills to create New skills.

Fire + Fast Blade = Red Lotus Blade

Leg Sweep + Sucker Punch = Some Crazy Skill Where Lancer Trips the Enemy and Puglist drives it's face into the ground.


You don't have to make every skill link every skill. Personally, I'd rather only certain combos work. But the potential for higher tiers of this could make for very interesting mechanics.

DO NOT:

Allow for infinite time to set up these skills while everyone stands around unable to attack.

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