Healer troll pulling raid boss against ToS?

Now i know anything can be reported, however my question is more about weather or not this was considered something that is worth reporting. I know most people don't waste time with minor things (if that is what this is), however i feel like if people do not ever get warned or told to stop doing something like this that they will just keep doing it and being disrespectful to others. I queued for Deltascape V4.0 as a tank. As soon as we all load in and the invisible wall comes down before anyone was ready or buffed, before me or the other tank was ready to pull (keep in mind this was right out of the gate before anyone was ready) the healer runs at the boss and pulls it, obviously on purpose. Apparently no one else in the party had an issue with it since i was the only one who told the healer not to do that and that it caused us to wipe. Now i'm sure there are people out there who have more of a "don't be so serious they were having a bit of fun" mindset, but to me i feel more like there are people who join a raid to get things done on a serious note and what that healer did was disrespectful and wrong. Please do not mistake this as a rant post i am just wondering what everyone else's view on this situation is. Any opinions and input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Did they do it a second time, or did they wait?

Cause I guess if they did it twice, after being told not to, they could be reported? But I doubt SE will do anything about it.

Probably comes under some BS like 'difference of play styles.'

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Originally Posted by Lokier

Did they do it a second time, or did they wait?

Cause I guess if they did it twice, after being told not to, they could be reported? But I doubt SE will do anything about it.

Probably comes under some BS like 'difference of play styles.'

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They did it once, but it was pretty clear they did it on purpose.

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Originally Posted by Mizunoko

They did it once, but it was pretty clear they did it on purpose.

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Mmm, I guess you could request they ask they don't do it, but I doubt they'll listen sadly. All you can do is hope you don't run into them again. D:

Don't you sound fun at parties... If anything it was them forgetting they weren't a tank. I do it all the time whenever I don't tank.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Don't you sound fun at parties... If anything it was them forgetting they weren't a tank. I do it all the time whenever I don't tank.

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Doing it twice, even after being asked not to? That's forgetting they're a tank? Do you pull before Protect is cast? That sounds like fun. /s

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Doing it twice, even after being asked not to? That's forgetting they're a tank? Do you pull before Protect is cast? That sounds like fun. /s

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I don't see where it says twice? I see invisible wall, healer pulling then being asked not to do it again.

Also Swiftcast + Protect is a thing...

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Doing it twice, even after being asked not to? That's forgetting they're a tank? Do you pull before Protect is cast? That sounds like fun. /s

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I asked if it happened twice, the OP confirmed it was only once. Which is why I said there's not much that can really be done, since they obviously listened after the first wipe.

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Originally Posted by Lokier

I asked if it happened twice, the OP confirmed it was only once. Which is why I said there's not much that can really be done, since they obviously listened after the first wipe.

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Ah. I misread. My mistake.

On rare occasions players can activate auto-run and one click of a movement and they are running towards a boss or mob. Snce they already pull aggro at that point they have little choice but to start fighting and the party is often like wtf but just deal with it.

If the player purposely pulled in several occasions then they could be a troll or just being annoying.

Its been done once. Can't really say if it was on purpose or not. I remember doing that once because I put my body in auto-pilot. I apologized to the party afterward, to which the rest pretty cracked jokes about it.

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Originally Posted by Mizunoko

They did it once, but it was pretty clear they did it on purpose.

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And run sellers are "clearly" using RMT methods.

But as long as "clearly" takes some assumptions and interpretations, there's no action that can be taken.

Sometimes accidents happen, and sometimes people are impatient. I see the latter happen way more than the former, but it's not exactly reportable if it was a one and done deal. And even then there's not much that the GMs would probably do about it unless they were straight up trolling, aka griefing (which IS a reportable offense) if they kept doing it. If they are hindering the group's progress intentionally they can be reported. Otherwise it comes down to "difference in playstyles" which GMs won't interfere with. But...that also means the person question can be removed from the group and you can carry on about your business.

If the healer only did it once, and didn’t do it again, then I don’t see the issue, and it probably wasn’t done purposely or maliciously. It was probably an accident. Sometimes I’ve barreled in not really thinking and then realize I accidentally face-pulled a boss. It happens.

If they had continued to pull after being told to not do so, then you would maybe have a case. But they didn’t, so I don’t think a one-time offense is reportable.

Did the healer apologize or respond?

It was once and you come running to post it on the forums? lol....

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Originally Posted by Kurando

On rare occasions players can activate auto-run and one click of a movement and they are running towards a boss or mob. Snce they already pull aggro at that point they have little choice but to start fighting and the party is often like wtf but just deal with it.

If the player purposely pulled in several occasions then they could be a troll or just being annoying.

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Emergerd! I've done this. I finally put auto-run on a key I will NEVER use accidentally (~) rather than it's native R key. It happened WAY too much that I'd start typing something, having not hit Enter first, got an "r" in whatever I was stupidly not typing to anyone, and found myself running headfirst to the boss. Thankfully, I never actually pulled but it was close a few times.

did you try just killing it afterwards

While it's generally frowned upon for anyone to pull other than the tank, it's also about as big of a deal as the tank makes it. Especially if it only happened once.

IOW... Just get in there cowboy!

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

I don't see where it says twice? I see invisible wall, healer pulling then being asked not to do it again.

Also Swiftcast + Protect is a thing...

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Yeah sure, burning your switfcast at pre-pull for a spell that is cast in less than 3s.
WOW we need to hurry or we'll miss the train.

I personally wouldn't waste Swiftcast to setup protect on a mispull. If someone dies in the time it takes Protect to hardcast, they we're gonna die anyway.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

Yeah sure, burning your switfcast at pre-pull for a spell that is cast in less than 3s.
WOW we need to hurry or we'll miss the train.

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Bigger issue for me is I have protect on a macro. Someone pulls early, I can't cast it at all. (I don't call the GMs on them though...)

I mean not like I need Swiftcast int he first 60 seconds anyways.

If done once, give a benefit of doubt and wipe. If done again, it's trolling so kick that healer out. There, solve the problem.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

Yeah sure, burning your switfcast at pre-pull for a spell that is cast in less than 3s.
WOW we need to hurry or we'll miss the train.

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you know swiftcast comes back after 60s right

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Originally Posted by Lokier

Did they do it a second time, or did they wait?

Cause I guess if they did it twice, after being told not to, they could be reported? But I doubt SE will do anything about it.

Probably comes under some BS like 'difference of play styles.'

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I feel it could fall under ToS 3.2: Disruption. Especially if they did it more than once.

im wondering how many healers out there havnt been ready & the tank pulls & causes a wipe?

Of course I know the CD is short, but that's not the subject.

But whyyyyyy being to hurry and pulling like a mad man when protect cast is so short.
It barely need people to wait...

I mean... less than 3s guys, come on, that's a general rule to at least wait for the healer to cast that.
Super fast pull without timer or ready check are dump move anyway.

Maybe he just missclicked? Or the queue pop up, when he was in need to go to the toilet? You never know... xD

You people are literally searching high and low for things to complain about.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

Yeah sure, burning your switfcast at pre-pull for a spell that is cast in less than 3s.
WOW we need to hurry or we'll miss the train.

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Do you need Swiftcast for anything during the first 60s of that fight? What a load of hot air, lmao.

The problem isn't Swifcast CD, it's people being to hurry to just wait protect.

Like it would kill someone to wait 3s.

Are you serious.
And yes I use swiftcast at pull.

So shhhht ;)

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

The problem isn't Swifcast CD, it's people being to hurry to just wait protect.

Like it would kill someone to wait 3s.

Are you serious.
And yes I use swiftcast at pull.

So shhhht ;)

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Just cast it in combat. It literally doesn't matter.

If they only did it once it would be extremely petty of someone to go as far as reporting them for it.

I'm guessing it falls under 'Early pull Hunts' which isnt reportable either i think?

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

I'm guessing it falls under 'Early pull Hunts' which isnt reportable either i think?

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No. Early pulling in hunts is a thing the player community came up with (SE intended hunts to be a "you saw it first, you kill it first. Wait if it's a strong one, though and then pull when you think there's enough"). If the healer kept pulling before the tank, even after being asked not to, then it would fall under 3.2 on the ToS (especially if it causes wipes).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

No. Early pulling in hunts is a thing the player community came up with (SE intended hunts to be a "you saw it first, you kill it first. Wait if it's a strong one, though and then pull when you think there's enough"). If the healer kept pulling before the tank, even after being asked not to, then it would fall under 3.2 on the ToS (especially if it causes wipes).

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Even then, "Early Pulling" only became a phenomenon from PS3 load times being so long that it put a chunk of the player base at a "disadvantage" when hunts first started.

S-ranks need multiple parties to kill when on level, so waiting on PS3 friends was less a courtesy and more a requirement in ARR and HW (though less so in HW as many were already upgraded to PS4) but this turned into waiting on about 100 players to show up on short notice, and it was a mess, since that slowed load times further.


So, early pulling was PS3 limitations.