FC house, required 4 ppl, twinks allowed?

or i need 4 other ppl from other accounts?^^ i mean, to get access to purchase a house

I don't know for sure but I would imagine (and hope) you would need 4 actual players. Otherwise it kinda defeats the purpose.

What is a twink? Or are you asking if gay people count as FC members? Cuz I sure hope its not that...

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

What is a twink? Or are you asking if gay people count as FC members? Cuz I sure hope its not that...

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Twink is a character given gear much better than they could normally attain.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

Twink is a character given gear much better than they could normally attain.

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I have never seen that used that way.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I have never seen that used that way.

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Been like that for 20 years or so in EQ.

You need four people from separate accounts. No alts. Before it didn't matter but I think now they are making sure no one circumvents the new rules.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I have never seen that used that way.

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I doubt OP meant to be offensive when they used that particular term to describe alts. I believe it's a fairly common term used in WoW and (possibly) other MMOs.

Taken directly from the wikia page:
"Twink (WoW) - A low-level character made more powerful by higher-level characters, usually through gifts of armor and weapons that the character would not normally have at such low level. Also used as a verb to describe the act of giving low-level characters powerful items uncommon at their level. "

Source: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Twink

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

What is a twink? Or are you asking if gay people count as FC members? Cuz I sure hope its not that...

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I think you're reading out of context. I'm a gaymer and I don't find that offensive or read it in that way at all. I'm sure that's not the case!

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Originally Posted by -Lilia-

I think you're reading out of context. I'm a gaymer and I don't find that offensive or read it in that way at all. I'm sure that's not the case!

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I was just sayin i'd only ever seen it used to refer to gay people, not that it was intended as offensive, if it came off that way lol. Hence the question first and not "HOW DARE YOU" I even googled it since I wasn't sure if I remembered right lol.

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Originally Posted by SicariusSeven

You need four people from separate accounts. No alts. Before it didn't matter but I think now they are making sure no one circumvents the new rules.

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Do you have a quote from SE for this? Because on the housing website it says nothing about needing separate accounts or that alts don't count. It simply says 4 or more members.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Do you have a quote from SE for this? Because on the housing website it says nothing about needing separate accounts or that alts don't count. It simply says 4 or more members.

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I was just told that. Hey I don't mind being wrong! It would make sense though that you'd need unique players. Otherwise what's stopping someone from making an FC full of alts then buying a house. Considering FC have priority right now.

You only need 4 people. 2 of my FCs are just level 1 alts, the third (my primary) is made of a level 70 and two 20-30s. All my own characters.

You can create an FC with 4 characters that are all on the same account (using another person/another account to get them all in the same FC), so by the same logic you can likely buy a house with the same FC and the same 4 characters.

If there were restrictions on needing them to be 4 separate accounts SE would have said something about it (in either live letter, 4.2 patch notes or the new housing website). They haven't so logically there is no such restriction.

Meow, just need four characters in the company, any level still works, account doesn't matter, rank 6 or more is the only main requirement, though you wont be able to buy a plot if you have another Character on the same world that is in an FC with a house already.

One other thing that i am not completely sure on is, you shouldn't be able to join an FC (buying fc with house etc) and be elected master, if you have any other characters that are in an FC with a house.

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Originally Posted by Keicho

or i need 4 other ppl from other accounts?^^ i mean, to get access to purchase a house

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I don't think that word means what you think it means. A twink is a character that you've decked out with better gear than their means. I think you mean 'alts'.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

Twink is a character given gear much better than they could normally attain.

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No it is not, and if it were, it would be an obvious slur at gay culture.

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I don't think that word means what you think it means. A twink is a character that you've decked out with better gear than their means. I think you mean 'alts'.

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No it is not. You are being highly offensive.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

No it is not. You are being highly offensive.

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Either you are trying (and failing) to be funny or you are being overly sensitive. Words have multiple meanings. I knew twink as slang for a low-level video game character with better-than-average gear long, long before I ever heard it as slang referring to anything to do with gay people. It's very common in some games (not this one probably because alts themselves are less common and gear quality is fairly equal across the level brackets.) I've no idea which meaning came first though but I'm sure no one here intended any offense toward anyone else. They are just using the word as they learned it, so there is no reason to go kicking up a fuss.

As someone in the gay community with a loving husband, I've never seen twink used as a slur? I've just seen it used to refer to someone young, thin, not a lot of muscle to them, basically the opposite of a bear.

Oh and as countless folks have said, they need to all be other characters. You can't have two of your own characters on at the same time, which would be required for this to work with them.

I almost choked on my sandwich. Thanks for clearing that up everyone else.

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You can't have two of your own characters on at the same time, which would be required for this to work with them.

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Do four guild members have to be online and present at the time of purchase? Ouch, that might be tough with the log-in issues we tend to see when housing is released. I think I heard somewhere that the houses won't be for sale until an hour after the servers come up, so that might be why.

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Do four guild members have to be online and present at the time of purchase? Ouch, that might be tough with the log-in issues we tend to see when housing is released. I think I heard somewhere that the houses won't be for sale until an hour after the servers come up, so that might be why.

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No, I bought an FC house solo. No other members were online because they were all my alts.

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Originally Posted by illgot

No, I bought an FC house solo. No other members were online because they were all my alts.

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Keep in mind, that's not allowed any longer. Or rather unless you were grandfathered in it's not.
It's very Anti RMT, thats for sure.

Heard people use the term 'twink' here often on shiva but almost exclusively by german players and there its just used as an other name for alt. No other meaning to it.
I wasnt even aware of it having any meaning for the gay community.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

Keep in mind, that's not allowed any longer. Or rather unless you were grandfathered in it's not.
It's very Anti RMT, thats for sure.

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To be fair, illgot never specified when they bought it. There has been no mention of a specific restriction that all 4 characters have to be separate accounts, whether by SE or on their Housing guide website thing. It just says 4 members, and that none of the four members can have characters belonging to other Free Companies that own land at the time of purchase.

As for it being an anti-RMT measure, I doubt that FCs full of gilsellers are going to try to purchase a housing plot.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Do four guild members have to be online and present at the time of purchase? Ouch, that might be tough with the log-in issues we tend to see when housing is released. I think I heard somewhere that the houses won't be for sale until an hour after the servers come up, so that might be why.

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I doubt it. There’s no mention of such a requirement anywhere. The servers coming up an hour after the patch is probably to prevent a repeat of Shirogane’s release when people were getting kicked out of the lobby server due to congestion.



As for the “twink” debate...I’ve never even heard of the word before. O.o I don’t think OP would ever mean to use it in some offensive manner, so I don’t know why some people are getting offended over it.

The title of this is HILARIOUS. I had no idea that was a gaming term until now.

The "twink" debate may be kinda off-topic, but after looking it up out of curiosity, the origins are a little sketchy. While it's not being used derogatorily now, apparently the origins of the term in gaming originated from D&D, in situations where younger guys who didn't actually care about the game just tried to make overpowered characters and were thus called "twinks" in a derogatory way. Whether or not this adoption of the term has anything to do with negative perceptions of gay twinks isn't quite clear, but it may be inferred based on the time period it sprang up. I'm only getting my information from random people on other forums, though, so this is nothing cite-worthy lol

Regardless, twink is definitely not seen as a derogatory term in the gay community. At least, not generally. So that was almost certainly not OP's intention, at least.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

Keep in mind, that's not allowed any longer. Or rather unless you were grandfathered in it's not.
It's very Anti RMT, thats for sure.

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Illgot mentioned in another thread there was a wait timer, so it would seem the restriction is just being in an fc with 4 members, not 4 unique accounts and not requiring them to all be online at the time of purchase.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Either you are trying (and failing) to be funny or you are being overly sensitive. Words have multiple meanings. I knew twink as slang for a low-level video game character with better-than-average gear long, long before I ever heard it as slang referring to anything to do with gay people. It's very common in some games (not this one probably because alts themselves are less common and gear quality is fairly equal across the level brackets.) I've no idea which meaning came first though but I'm sure no one here intended any offense toward anyone else. They are just using the word as they learned it, so there is no reason to go kicking up a fuss.

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As a gay person, caring about the way that we are spoken to is not “being too sensitive.” We get mistreated our whole lives, and so these kinds of things shouldn’t happen. I don’t feel comfortable seeing it on this game. That makes me feel unsafe.

Weird information being misinterpreted here, feels like.

The limitation on "being online" was probably meant to refer to the fact that you can't invite your alts to the FC yourself (to my knowledge), you need a go-between.

There's been no word on explicit limitations on FC members. Likely the game doesn't even recognize when multiple characters from the same account are in the same FC. The game is just going to check for four valid members. As long as you can organize your alts into an FC, game can't really stop you.

My 2 man FC (with my wife) we have 5 members, 3 of them are alts of mine. So I have 5 then or 2 - cause it only 2 service accounts in the FC?

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That makes me feel unsafe.

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If a word that has been used for multiple decades in gaming makes you feel unsafe because it has relevance to something else in your life in an entirely different context, then I don't know what to tell you. In that case, the gaming term 'tank' should make you feel a HELL of a lot more "unsafe" than twink does, if you're comparing alternative meanings of the words. Nobody feels safe when an M1 Abrams is hanging around.

But on topic, I can't imagine there will be any restrictions beyond simply needing four members in the company. Having an entourage of alts should work just fine.

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Keep in mind, that's not allowed any longer. Or rather unless you were grandfathered in it's not.
It's very Anti RMT, thats for sure.

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I don't think the person you're replying to ever said they bought the house to sell it, and nowhere did SE say buying a solo FC is not allowed.

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As a gay person, caring about the way that we are spoken to is not “being too sensitive.” We get mistreated our whole lives, and so these kinds of things shouldn’t happen. I don’t feel comfortable seeing it on this game. That makes me feel unsafe.

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Stop talking about "we", you only speak for yourself, twink is not and has never been a slur.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

As a gay person, caring about the way that we are spoken to is not “being too sensitive.” We get mistreated our whole lives, and so these kinds of things shouldn’t happen. I don’t feel comfortable seeing it on this game. That makes me feel unsafe.

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You are victimizing yourself over nothing.

Multiple people have already explained it is not meant to be an insult and I too only know the term from WoW for alt characters or characters who have better gear than usual for low levels +enchants and gems for PVP etc.

No point in getting upset when everyone is telling you they are not insulting you or anyone else with the term.

I've never heard "twink" be used in reference to non-primary characters. It's always been Alts. Or "other toons"

You can "twink-out" an alt but I'm going to chip in with the "this isn't how most of us use this term."

That being said I think they've never specifically specified 4 separate accounts, Just 4 members.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...994.1517690495

Feels like this topic went a little off topic

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Feels like this topic went a little off topic

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You like Twinkies?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

You like Twinkies?

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Don't have those to my knowledge in my country but also has nothing to do with the post.

The announcement didn't say you needed four unique accounts so your own alts will probably work. You just need the help of another person to invite them in the FC.

I always thought twink in gaming meant an alt character at the cap of a level bracket wearing very good gear, the kind of gear which is not usually worn by levelers. Twinks have an advantage in low level PvP and it can also be fun to do older raids with twink characters (in games without level sync). People in WoW make twinks by turning off experience gains at the desired level.

Not sure if the term might be game-specific or possibly region-specific. Seems more of an EU term maybe? No sense getting upset over it, though. Differences in cultural slang and all that.