Not being able to skip cutscenes...

It's terrible.
Turns a 15 minutes duty finder into an hour.
We had 5 people leave the party.
I will not queue for this duty anymore as long as it exists.

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Update - 40 minutes in - After 6 people left and we waited for new people, I decided to leave.
I now have a 30 min penalty to joining the Duty Finder.
Mind you, this entire run used to take 15 minutes max.

If you have a 30 minute penalty, that would mean you had a full party.
There's no penalty for leaving while looking for members.

Well - however it works, three things are fact...
1) We were missing one party member when I left.
2) Six people had already left (first two left at the same time, then a third - once it refilled, another left, then the other tank left, and when the 6th person left, i left).
3) I got a 30 min penalty.

The guy that was 'missing' when I left did have ?? on his name - and it wasn't actively searching for a person - maybe a disconnected person doesn't count.
In either event - the solution is simple - don't queue for MSQ unless you need it.
As a person that has tanked it every day since the day I started playing, I can't help but point out my dislike for the change.

Read the patch notes and don't be selfish.

There are million other things you can do if you don't like it but no other way to see the story. And it's not like the new rewards aren't exceptionally generous. 4x the xp and tokens for something that takes 3x as long.

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Originally Posted by teegees

Read the patch notes and don't be selfish.

There are million other things you can do if you don't like it but no other way to see the story. And it's not like the new rewards aren't exceptionally generous. 4x the xp and tokens for something that takes 3x as long.

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exp hasn't been confirmed to be much greater yet. I had a castrum run and while the exp was a bit greater, it was nowhere near 2x or 3x what it was before, even though my run was 2x as long. (didn't get Praet yet)

Back on topic, maybe the 30min penalty is bugged, or maybe they made it so leaving praet regardless of party size might do it? Who knows. Will have to wait for others to have similar issues to find out.

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Originally Posted by teegees

Read the patch notes and don't be selfish.

There are million other things you can do if you don't like it but no other way to see the story. And it's not like the new rewards aren't exceptionally generous. 4x the xp and tokens for something that takes 3x as long.

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What's in it for players capped on Poetics and all combat classes at 70?

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Originally Posted by Zephera

What's in it for players capped on Poetics and all combat classes at 70?

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What was in it for them before the patch? Even before it was being run either for people leveling or people who wanted poetics so the patch hardly changes them.

I dislike this change, but let's not bring irrelevant scenarios into it.

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Originally Posted by Squintina

What was in it for them before the patch? Even before it was being run either for people leveling or people who wanted poetics so the patch hardly changes them.

I dislike this change, but let's not bring irrelevant scenarios into it.

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I ran it because it was fairly quick and got me a handful of gil. Hardly irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Zephera

I ran it because it was fairly quick and got me a handful of gil. Hardly irrelevant.

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You are the first person I've seen in the forums or game to ever bring up gil as a reason to do that roulette. Whatever floats your boat but that's a very limited case.

Also why are you capped on poetics? Buy stuff with it-> sell it , Buy gear with it->GC seals-> buy stuff with it-> sell it

And if the gil is what you care about, then by getting more poetics, you can convert that into more gil using the above.

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Originally Posted by Squintina

Also why are you capped on poetics? Buy stuff with it-> sell it , Buy gear with it->GC seals-> buy stuff with it-> sell it

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Just out of curiosity, what do you suggest buying with poetics to sell? I've been sitting at capped poetics almost since the end of ARR unless I needed to gear up a class I hadn't leveled yet The only times I really use poetics now is when buying a book for the ARR relics(still have quite a few to work through since I'm really only doing them when not wanting to deal with people in instances).

Buy unidentified ores and trade for grade 3 soils.

Profit?

Raziqsand is a good one. The recipe for the kugane castle walls requires a boatload of gold ingots, each ingot requires a raziqsand, and new houses are coming out in like a weekish so there will soon be some fresh demand. Honestly, just take a screenshot or jot down the names of a few of the crafting mats(the more seals they cost usually means they sell for more) and go check your servers market board to find the best seal -> gil conversion rate.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

Just out of curiosity, what do you suggest buying with poetics to sell? I've been sitting at capped poetics almost since the end of ARR unless I needed to gear up a class I hadn't leveled yet The only times I really use poetics now is when buying a book for the ARR relics(still have quite a few to work through since I'm really only doing them when not wanting to deal with people in instances).

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That'll vary on your MB prices.
On my server right now it would be:
Gobcraft Resin
Eikon Mythrite/Metal/Hide/Fiber
Demicrystal (small quantities)

Or buying gear to convert to GC to then sell:
Borax
Raziqsap
Animal Fat
Hardened Sap
RaziqSand
Coke
Potash

Rotating is a good way to account for market fluctuation

And this one too:

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Originally Posted by Big_Panda

Buy unidentified ores and trade for grade 3 soils.

Profit?

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Originally Posted by teegees

And it's not like the new rewards aren't exceptionally generous. 4x the xp and tokens for something that takes 3x as long.

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While you get more poetics, you most certainly do not get 4 times the experience you used to get for the MSQ roulette. As a non-Adventurer in Need, I only netted 1.3 million from the Roulette on a level 60 job. For a 50 minute Praetorium run.

1. If you're doing this roulette for gil, there are much more lucrative ways to make gil in the same amount of time, but thats another topic. Anyways, running this for gil was a waste of time before the change, so your argument is moot. Yes its a nice bonus, but not a sole reason to run it.

2. Capped on poetics? So spend them.....and earn some more. They are hardly useless, we keep 7 gardens going at all times, 50% of that is dungeon poetic farming.

3. It's only twice as long the few times I have done it with the cutscenes. While the xp, and gil may not hav ebeen upped accordingly, the poetics sure did. You now get 300 a run, 400 with new member. That's a pretty efficient poetic farm, especially with Netflix on as well.

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Originally Posted by Big_Panda

Buy unidentified ores and trade for grade 3 soils.

Profit?

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exactly!!!!!!

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Thank you both for the ideas, will definitely be doing that hopefully tonight if I get the chance to log in.

I have no remorse for people that are complaining about not being able to skip cut scenes in these two dungeons. I remember my first run through which was intimidating and my friend told me to skip because people didn't want to wait. I think it took me a year to go back and actually do the dungeons and watch the cut scenes because someone else wanted to see them. If this is what it takes for a new person to experience the dungeons as intended then so be it.

I don't see the big deal. If you don't have the time/patience for it, just don't queue. There's better/faster ways to get the same thing elsewhere. Personally, I'll probably run it just because it'll give me the chance to see the cut scenes in dungeon like I wanted to on my first run 2 years ago. XD

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

I have no remorse for people that are complaining about not being able to skip cut scenes in these two dungeons. I remember my first run through which was intimidating and my friend told me to skip because people didn't want to wait. I think it took me a year to go back and actually do the dungeons and watch the cut scenes because someone else wanted to see them. If this is what it takes for a new person to experience the dungeons as intended then so be it.

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I still haven't seen them, and I've been playing since early 2015. I keep meaning to do it(the only reason I really want to make an alt so I can actually enjoy them as it should have been), but just have a lot of other stuff to do.

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Originally Posted by Squintina

Also why are you capped on poetics? Buy stuff with it-> sell it , Buy gear with it->GC seals-> buy stuff with it-> sell it

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Not much point on Zalera the gil you'd get for selling poetics items is hardly worth it. Everyone keeps undercutting each other to stupid low prices.

EDIT: Besides, my reasons for running it hardly matter anyway, fact is I'm not running it anymore and that's that.

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Originally Posted by SeriousxSarcasm

I don't see the big deal. If you don't have the time/patience for it, just don't queue. There's better/faster ways to get the same thing elsewhere. Personally, I'll probably run it just because it'll give me the chance to see the cut scenes in dungeon like I wanted to on my first run 2 years ago. XD

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Your shortsight is amazing.
"DOnt queue if you dont like it"
Fair enough... But then the queues will be ridiculously long for other players, and that will lead to more people not queueing which leads to even longer queues and so on... They wanted to help new players by allowing them to watch cutscenes, but SE in their usual blindness forgot that you can already watch previously seen cutscenes at your inn room, making this new change completely pointless and just a pain in the ass to anyone wanting to help newbies.

But even without that, all ARR cutscenes and plot is TERRIBLE.
I tried to queue just for shits and giggles a few hours ago. As a tank/healer it took me 10 to 15 minutes to find a party, and 1 hour and 15 minutes as a DPS.
MSQ roulette is dead, and there is no one else to blame but SE for this.

maybe the whole thing is "how do we sell more storyskips on the mogshop" :o

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Originally Posted by SeriousxSarcasm

I don't see the big deal. If you don't have the time/patience for it, just don't queue. There's better/faster ways to get the same thing elsewhere. Personally, I'll probably run it just because it'll give me the chance to see the cut scenes in dungeon like I wanted to on my first run 2 years ago. XD

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You don't see the problem?
I'll lay it out for you.
20 minutes until dinner is ready.
Queue for MSQ - should take 15 mins.
60 minutes later, you'd finish.
Leaving the person the option of quitting on the group or eating a cold dinner.
Now that people KNOW of the change, that's not a valid complaint - but on day one, it absolutely was.

I'm not saying it's a problem anymore - I just haven't queued for it since then.
It's probably the last thing on my mind...Just stumbled upon this thread again and figured I'd read any updates.

Got 2.2mil alone for the daily bonus as a lvl 67 whitemage so that's something I guess. I'm only really gunna do this if I have the time to do it. I get to chat with people during the cut scenes so that's nice at least.

MSQ roulette on my 57 pld: 700K ish exp including bonus out of 3mil to level plus 200 poetics. With cut-scenes it took about 45 minutes. I get better gains on tank just spamming the latest dungeon or pre-60 doing PoTD - plus I get to practice my level 60 rotation. I won't do that again unless it gives an entire level.

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Originally Posted by deapee

You don't see the problem?
I'll lay it out for you.
20 minutes until dinner is ready.

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20 minutes is too short to be sure of not only getting through the queue but also finishing whatever it was I queued for - so no queuing for anything if time is that short.

Last time I ran Castrum/Praetorium - before 4.2 - I had to wait more than 20 mins just to get into the instances.

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Originally Posted by SrKoquonfaes

Your shortsight is amazing.
"DOnt queue if you dont like it"
Fair enough... But then the queues will be ridiculously long for other players, and that will lead to more people not queueing which leads to even longer queues and so on... They wanted to help new players by allowing them to watch cutscenes, but SE in their usual blindness forgot that you can already watch previously seen cutscenes at your inn room, making this new change completely pointless and just a pain in the ass to anyone wanting to help newbies.

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All well and good, I understand that part, but if you've read any of the replies here it's mostly "it takes so looooooong, I don't wannaaaaaaa. me me me." My comment addresses the endless whiners I see, not the overarching problems you have presented instead. Very little people seem to care about the impact on sprouts lol, though it's good to see you do. Doesn't bother me either, I've got a large FC/LS alliance with people willing to get full parties together for our sprouts. Also yes, maybe the queue times will take longer, but once they actually get in, the idea is it'll be a less stressful run than they previously were. Which I think is more important considering how many people I see quit the game for a month or longer because of how bad they feel afterward.

@Deapee What part of "if you don't have the time" is difficult to read? Obviously 20 minutes is no longer viable, so don't do it before dinner anymore lol. If you feel you never have the time, then it means you never have to run it again. -shrug- Edit: or even better yet, use all that extra cut scene time to finish cooking and eat lmao. I know I'll have youtube up or something so I don't have to watch them.

" What about if I make dinner?" doesn't apply to this. You could use any real life situation, but you shouldn't. Square assumes you should be able to manage your own time and schedule, not that they have to do it for you. Like someone else noted, then don't queue if you're " making dinner. " If the times aren't acceptable, then again, dont queue.

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Originally Posted by deapee

I will not queue for this duty anymore as long as it exists.

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This. Even if they revert back the changes with cutscenes i'm not doing it anymore. If i hate something is when the game is forcing me doing some stupid s*t over and over again.

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Originally Posted by Madbunny

This. Even if they revert back the changes with cutscenes i'm not doing it anymore. If i hate something is when the game is forcing me doing some stupid s*t over and over again.

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Who is forcing you? Only one forcing anybody to do any roulettes is yourself. Like you, said, don't queue for it, but heck, no one is forcing you to do it.

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Originally Posted by QueenSophie

Who is forcing you? Only one forcing anybody to do any roulettes is yourself. Like you, said, don't queue for it, but heck, no one is forcing you to do it.

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I agree 100% with you. I hope i will soon see topics complaining how this daily roulette waiting times are atrocious, you know... any reason to laugh is welcome.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

I still haven't seen them, and I've been playing since early 2015. I keep meaning to do it(the only reason I really want to make an alt so I can actually enjoy them as it should have been), but just have a lot of other stuff to do.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

I have no remorse for people that are complaining about not being able to skip cut scenes in these two dungeons. I remember my first run through which was intimidating and my friend told me to skip because people didn't want to wait. I think it took me a year to go back and actually do the dungeons and watch the cut scenes because someone else wanted to see them. If this is what it takes for a new person to experience the dungeons as intended then so be it.

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You know you can see them at the Inn, right..? ^^

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Originally Posted by deapee

It's terrible.
Turns a 15 minutes duty finder into an hour.
We had 5 people leave the party.
I will not queue for this duty anymore as long as it exists.

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Update - 40 minutes in - After 6 people left and we waited for new people, I decided to leave.
I now have a 30 min penalty to joining the Duty Finder.
Mind you, this entire run used to take 15 minutes max.

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And this is why people should learn to read/pay attention to patch notes. Failure to educate yourself is a failure on your part. Not SE.
Is it a nice change? No...but its no excuse for you to torture the party by ditching it yourself. Regardless of the reasons.
30 Min Penalty deserved.

If your not going to commit..don't join the duty. Period.

I hope that waiting times for main scenario skyrocket so i can pull out all the "dont que if you dont like" post as answer to people complaining how they waited hours/days to progress in their main quest.

I never had any problem to wait people to watch entire cutscene at the beginning of the dungeon, or explain the tactics, or wait because someone need to open the door or get something to drink... but i will not allow the game to force me to watch that insane amount of cutscenes every single time.

And you are right, no one is forcing me to do this two dungeons so i suggest to everyone sane to just skip this dungeons and completely leave for newbies. Let them enjoy 1 hour of cutscenes after they waited hours/days in que to move on with the main quest. Who am i to ruin this wonderful experience for every new player...

Out of curiosity i would like to know what newbies with only few hours per week to play will think after they spent all their free time to complete two dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Madbunny

Out of curiosity i would like to know what newbies with only few hours per week to play will think after they spent all their free time to complete two dungeons.

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You keep forgetting that IT IS A CHOICE. Anybody who is doing them is doing them by choice, which right there they lose any argument. If you chose to do it, quit complaining, you knew your choice. Otherwise CHOOSE to do something else. The "newbies " chose to do it, and as far as MSQ it's only required once, which I am sure they will watch and enjoy.

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Originally Posted by QueenSophie

You keep forgetting that IT IS A CHOICE. Anybody who is doing them is doing them by choice, which right there they lose any argument. If you chose to do it, quit complaining, you knew your choice. Otherwise CHOOSE to do something else. The "newbies " chose to do it, and as far as MSQ it's only required once, which I am sure they will watch and enjoy.

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And again i completely agree with you:

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Originally Posted by Madbunny

I hope that waiting times for main scenario skyrocket so i can pull out all the "dont que if you dont like" post as answer to people complaining how they waited hours/days to progress in their main quest

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And again i completely agree with you:

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Hahaha that will never happen. I like how you think because YOUR not interested that the whole thing will die off. Still plenty of interest despite you.

The amount of minutes added due to cutscenes is less than half.
If the run is taking longer than 21mins (and I think 27 mins was the clear time for the next one), chances are, some is AFK, or people arent actually trying at the combat parts.
(Which is to be expected if most people are new or lazy)

The amount of EXP given is +50%(it was a bit more, but forget the numbers on this one) and +105% depending on which we're talking about.
And the poetics has shot up more than double.

you actually get more for your effort, if you actually try to do well, rather than watch netflix as you run it.

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Originally Posted by QueenSophie

You keep forgetting that IT IS A CHOICE. Anybody who is doing them is doing them by choice, which right there they lose any argument. If you chose to do it, quit complaining, you knew your choice. Otherwise CHOOSE to do something else. The "newbies " chose to do it, and as far as MSQ it's only required once, which I am sure they will watch and enjoy.

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Not this newbie. I started skipping everything because I realized just how much time this game wastes with cut scenes and dialogs. It felt incredibly unproductive, and was exhausting to read through all of it. I'm sorry I don't have a Kindle Paperwhite display on my computer... Eye strain is a thing, and reading pages and pages of text in a game... Well, I don't find that enjoyable after an hour or so.

The amount of clicking required to get through it is still [literally] physically discomforting (because it's not, at all, ergonomic).

The cut scenes could have been a nice time to relax at the end of, between quests and objective, but not... They had to be annoying clickfests as well.

To save myself from CTS, I skip them entirely. All of them.

The point of an RPG is to play a role. Not to be strung along on some long, drawn out, force-fed story. We should be creating our own story. I think obsession with the "story of the game" is kind of missing the point of why many of us actually play these types of games. I have literally no interest in whatever pre-fabricated story Square Enix has written for my character.