SCH physick :)

Heya im mained ast on deltascape but have to go as sch for sigmascape.(static reasons)
I like sch, sch is great and yada yada. There is one skill i have never used or added to my hotbar and it is Physick. I mean i never use it and never put it on hotbar.
Fey union is love and so is embrace.
Never had problems by NOT having it on my hotbar. even tho im a sch in "practice"(lol).

It is a healing spell indeed but i have never used it on dungeons(w/large pulls) or any raid. But i feel like rouse + fey union does so much better job even tho i AM aware of other skills is not commandable under aetherpact.

So i was wondering if some of you guys are using it or hide it away?
And what are youre thoughts about it?

Physick for SCH is like Cure I for the WHM or Benefic for the AST. Would you leave either of those skills off your hotbar?

Physick is a mana efficient pick me up, so while it isn't used much, it does still have its uses.

Rouse does nothing for Fey Union by the way.

I'll use it on the heads in Shinryu. It is also nice for use on tanks who like to pull big without using their cooldowns properly as filler, as they can easily chew through Fey Union & Excog. It's cheap so it can also see use when things are going terribly wrong, I'm out of mana and I just need to do something.

That said it certainly is the Scholar tool I use least. However I never, ever leave even niche tools off my hotkeys as any class. I want my full kit available and easily accessed even for things I'll only use once in a while.

Level-sync is also a thing and there are plenty of newbies who blunder into more damage than eos can keep up with.

For savage content healers in general are supposed to avoid having to cast GCD heals like Physick, Benefic, or Cure as much as possible, but they do end up needing to be used sometimes as we learn fights and especially when we don't outgear them yet. Full optimization is not really the goal during prog so you may need it sometimes.

For SCH yeah you are supposed to avoid using Physick as much as possible. Supposed to heal with your other tools like Excog/Lustrate or even Adlo and fairy stuff while doing DPS where you can. Physick for SCH is just a bit weak so it is generally deemed as a waste of a GCD since you have better options usually.

Even still I still keep it on my bar.

The small single target heals from each healer pair up really well. In dungeons where you are responsible for all the healing being done it can be easy to start to transfer that full responsibility to an 8 man group and immediately look to use Lustrate or Cure II/Benefic II whenever you see heavy damage but I found that in most content, especially anything before level 60, that you can use Physick for heavy damage and it will add up to the required hp needed when your cohealer adds their cure/benefic. This can be important when working in a group that is stressing your mp and aether stacks with loads of mistakes and avoidable deaths. Sometimes Physick really is your best option but it is a very situational skill that sees less light as your level goes up. That's why a lot of people have wanted it to proc something beneficial like Whm and Ast but it seems like that will never happen. I personally wanted to see Physick become an ability temporarily every time your fairy does a crit.

You... Don't have Physick on your hotbars? What do you use when you sync down than?

I did not just read half of what I read. You need Physick, period.

Physick is your strongest GCD heal, barring an Emergency Adloquium. Admittedly, unlike the other healers, your secondary heal Adlo, yes Adlo is the SECONDARY heal, is used more frequently compared to Cure II and Benefic II. What is "supposed" to be done is casting Adlo on a party member if they have lost roughly 12.5%-25% of their HP, between 25-50% you'd use Physick anything below 50% you'd want to Lustrate or use an Emergency Adlo, and once you get it, Excognition. By that extent, Succor, though your primary source of AoE healing, is meant to act more as an AoE Adlo. Granted every situation is different and you must be adaptable, but the point is you need all of your tools at your disposal. SCHs MP is a lot less plentiful as it once was, so you'd want to save MP wherever you can.

Also to those wondering why Adlo is the "Secondary Heal", it matches up with Cure II and Benefic II in Level, Potency, and RNG bonus. Most people tend to think its the "Primary Heal" simply because its a Scholar skill compared to an Arcanist skill. But if SB didn't make it more obvious, the classes are just a leftover from the old 1.0 system, and SE can mix and match the skills as they please. Physick and Resurrection are there for SCH not SUM. I mean Miasma II was an Arcanist skill but now is a SCH exclusive, and as many people point out Arcanist lined up more with SCH than SUM.

Not having a high usage of it doesn't mean you should remove it from your hotbar, cause there could still be situation where you'd need to use it.
Put it back on your hotbar.

But Physick is indeed rarely used because of Lustrate/Excog/Adlo and the fairy in end game content.

Other than that, Physick is fine.
Every healer need at least a low cost GCD heal they can spam (for whatever reasons).
Rarely used because of the other abilities indeed, but still has its place.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Physick is your strongest GCD heal

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No, it is not. Physick is 400 potency whereas Adloquium is effectively 600 (300 heal+300 shield), potentially skyrocketing leagues above a Cure II/Benefic II with a crit. Shield effects are and should be accounted towards healing.

On topic, Physick is a niche spell for SCH, simply because it's tied to the GCD and is the smallest potency-per-gcd in your whole toolkit. SCH's real strenght is the insane amount of OGCD healing/fairy carry potential you have, which lets both you and your co-healer maximize your DPS output. You'd basically be using Physick in the following situations:

- You are completely mana starved and someone needs a single target heal
- If another player already has an Adlo but still needs to be topped off further (rare, but can happen)

Otherwise Physick should be the last thing you use for single target healing.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Physick is your strongest GCD HEAL

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Originally Posted by Estelle9lives

No, it is not. Physick is 400 potency whereas Adloquium is effectively 600 (300 heal+300 shield), potentially skyrocketing leagues above a Cure II/Benefic II with a crit. Shield effects are and should be accounted towards healing.

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You are not wrong by saying that shields should be considered in the overall formula. But the bottom line is a shield is exactly that a shield. Unless you are using Emergency Tactics, Physick is your strongest GCD heal, as you said yourself Adlo is a 300 heal vs Physicks 400. And yes while crit Adlos are great, the amount of times we get them is based on massive luck, so while it could be much greater than Cure II or Benefic II with or without the shield, its not something to counr on during standard gameplay.

The issue here isn't so much using Physick or not, which you should, it's not niche as you say, you and I both gave situations where Physick is warrented, and these aren't uncommon either. The real issue is encouraging fledgling Scholars to focus on Adlo more than they should. All to often have I encountered a newer SCH who thinks Adlo should be their go to heal, and then they run out of MP, even at later levels. If none of us say anything they are going to continue playing that way and have problems.

So, should Adlo be used more than Cure II and Benefic II, yes since the shield is a part of SCHs playstyle. But should we encourage people to use it as their primary form of GCD healing, no, Physick is both potency and MP efficient, especially now that we don't recover MP like we use to.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Unless you are using Emergency Tactics, Physick is your strongest GCD heal

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It's the strongest "raw" heal, but its not technically your strongest GCD heal...you have to take into consideration the damage the shield part of Adlo prevents as well.

Physick 400 potency raw heal
Adlo 300 potency raw heal + 300 potency shield (*+crit RNG) = *600

*If Crit will increase

It's dependent on incoming damage so in some cases yeah Physick is stronger if the player isn't going to take any damage, but if you know the main tank for example is taking consistent damage then Adlo is a better use of a GCD heal than Physick because not only will you do 300 potency (only 100 lower than Physick) but the shield you give them also adds another 300 as they take hits.

The only reason not to would be lack of incoming damage or MP issues. So I understand what you mean about encouraging healers not to use it as primary, but the OP was talking about savage not casual content. In casual content yeah you don't wanna spam Adlo if you just need raw healing.

I think that Psysick is a good low mp heal. Sure I prefer Adloquium and Lustrate but I like using Psysick as a post fight heal.

if you're raiding with a semi decent group avoid it like the plague

I've only ever used it on Tanks, tbh. Aldo first, and if they need topped off throw Physick at them if there are still enemies around and the shield is still up.

It *is* your strongest raw heal spell, so if the tank is flagging and you're waiting for Aetherflow cooldown to finish and have no aetherdams left (and you don't want to use Dissipation because the tank isn't in that much trouble) and you're synced so you can't use Fey Union, it's a good thing to use. Or you're using fey Union on one tank and the other needs healing and you're low on MP.

It's not a waste of space. I absolutely recommend keeping it on your hotbar.

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Originally Posted by Miste

It's the strongest "raw" heal, but its not technically your strongest GCD heal...you have to take into consideration the damage the shield part of Adlo prevents as well.

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Saying "raw" heal might help simplify it I guess.

But I'm not forgetting to factor in the shield, I'm just stating the shield isn't a heal, it's a form of damage nullification. The Tool Tips for Galvanize and Emergency Tactics say as such.

But I don't wanna argue semantics. Saying it's the strongest raw heal is fine with me.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

But I don't wanna argue semantics. Saying it's the strongesr raw heal is fine with me.

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I don't want to be that guy, but then you could also say it's the only raw GCD heal SCH has, so you can't compare it to anything if we're being that specific.

Anyway, on topic, keep it on your hotbar. And make your co-healer feel ashamed every time you have to cast it in a raid. :'D (Unless it's someone random ofc, don't be mean!)

Another thing is im playing on controller and i have greatly adapted myself playing with 2 hotbars as ast.
But as sch recently i needed more room for fairies skills on my 2 main hotbars aswell.

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Originally Posted by Scox

Physick for SCH is like Cure I for the WHM or Benefic for the AST. Would you leave either of those skills off your hotbar?

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I still have them both on my ast snd whm. But the proc of I spells is NOT ALWAYS garunteed and you cannot use it to predict in raids since of its proc timer.

I barely heal the tank cuse he wont die even if he had 40% of HP left anyways so i throw II spell if essential is on CD.
I rather burn down essential and add regen and then dps. If theres a must say hello to synastri.

Some may find this comment stupid but this is my way of healing and im one of those who contribute to the max in a dungeon. Never had an issue keeping party alive.

But apart from that. No point to discuss about this comment this was directed to the pig man.

Back to the topic:)

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Originally Posted by Johaandr

Another thing is im playing on controller and i have greatly adapted myself playing with 2 hotbars as ast.
But as sch recently i needed more room for fairies skills on my 2 main hotbars aswell.

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I haven't played on pad since 2.x, so I'm not 100% sure what it was, but there was some option to get a hotbar to appear using one of the R/L1 or R/L2 triggers IIRC. I think these extended bars gave you an extra 8 slots each, so +16 in total. That may help. I used to use general abilities on one, and then pet abilities on the other.

You could also save yourself three slots by combining your pet abilities with a Summon macro. Essentially it's a Summon macro that will modify 3 hotbar slots based on which Faerie you are summoning. Mine is like this:

https://i.imgur.com/rw6BqZ9.png

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

https://i.imgur.com/rw6BqZ9.png

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Yeah the pet hotbar xD i always accidently dismiss my fairy beacuse the dismiss buttom is on the same spot where i added ET on hotbar1 and Broil II on hotbar 2. So when i tried to switch hotbars in a hectic raid it kinda messes up so i decided to put some fairies skills on hotbar after that experience xD
To bad tou cant edit pet hotbar... want so badly to remove the dimiss buttom. Its pointless to have it there imo xD the gated way is to click on the fairy and dimiss from that hud.

But i can try out that macro and see it for myself thanks!

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

I don't want to be that guy, but then you could also say it's the only raw GCD heal SCH has, so you can't compare it to anything if we're being that specific

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Ah yes, I know what you mean. It depends upon which side of the coin you choose to view it from, the healing side or the gimmick side. Is it being compared to Cure II and Benefic II or Regen and Aspected Benefic. Which falls in line with teaching newer SCHs to think of Succor as an AoE Adlo and not a heal. Touche my good sir, Touche.

Oh and you weren't that guy, you just gave us another perspective, thanks for that.