A potential fix for Tornado Kick

So i have an idea for a tornado kick fix and wonder how others think of it.

Change it's CD from 10 seconds to 60 seconds (or 90 seconds to be more friendly to RoF)
Keep the potency the same or higher it slightly
Only usable during GL3 but no longer consumes them (think of it like suiton requirement for trick attack)
Make it provide 8% vulnerability for 10 seconds (not 10% so NIN doesn't feel threatened)
Rename it to "Not Trick Attack"
Potentially put a positional to it??

Thoughts and ideas to improve this?

I considered suggesting that it grants a slowly decaying buff, similar to what Red Mage has, that's equivalent to having GL3. By the time you've built back up to GL3, it's expired.A lternatively, the buff could be longer, but 1 stack is consumed each time you gain a GL stack.

But I didn't suggest anything, because my only real experience with Monk is in PotD.

This is monk we are talking about so realistically it'd be "increases target's damage taken from blunt damage by 8% for 10 seconds. Does not stack with blunt resistance down".

I'd be happy, if it would reset the CD of Perfect Balance.

I'm no monk expert but I thought tornado kick was a way to use your GL as a way to compensate for the LOST OF GL in a phase transition or other moment where you would loose it. Giving it a cd without loosing the buff would just make it something you press when up ans that's it

I think that the point in contention is the fact that it was a niche ability already and Riddle of Earth kinda made it further niche to the point of beign obsolete

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Originally Posted by Remedi

I think that the point in contention is the fact that it was a niche ability already and Riddle of Earth kinda made it further niche to the point of beign obsolete

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Exactly this, Riddle of Earth has effectively removed the extremely niche window in which we used tornado kick by allowing us to extend our GL3 instead of having to dump it into tornado kick.

To my memory there isn't a single time where Tornado kick can be used to full effect (perhaps there's 1 use)

The change i’ve suggested for Tornado kick several times in the past throughout heavensward is to give a new trait “Hurricane Kick” such that every GL3 refresh gives 5-10% chance that the next Tornado Kick consumes no stacks. Percentage can be flexible so long as Tornado kick’s potency is adjusted accordingly. I still would prefer this change but I also know not all monk players even appreciate the RnG nature of chakra generation right now. So this might not sit well with some players to add another layer of RnG.


Thinking about it now with the context of stormblood changes, instead of using another layer of RnG with GL3 refresh granting this Hurricane Kick effect, maybe just make the Earth's Reply Effect also give a free tornado kick use for 20 seconds or so that persists even when leaving fists of earth. This is actually what I thought would happen when we saw something like this occur one of the early stormblood trailers, only to find out Earth's Reply did something else entirely.

Remove the cost while under Riddle of Wind.

/fingerguns

I didn't know about the riddle of earth, (bad monk there)
Yeah then the skill is in fact rather useless.

It seems that the whole fire wind earth thing needs some kind of revamp.

Make it an AOE with that effect maybe? We need more AOE attacks in general and that would make monk have it's niche places to apply vuln up in situations where ninja can not. Also maybe make it cost some set number of chakras (and allow us to have more than 5 for that matter, like bank 7 and this would take two)

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Originally Posted by Fjola

Exactly this, Riddle of Earth has effectively removed the extremely niche window in which we used tornado kick by allowing us to extend our GL3 instead of having to dump it into tornado kick.

To my memory there isn't a single time where Tornado kick can be used to full effect (perhaps there's 1 use)

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It's worth noting that Riddle of Earth is all that while also being extremely unreliable or outright stupid as a means of renewing your stacks. Most commonly you'll lose your GL3 because you were too far into your combo and there's not enough time left on it for the hit to reach you. But you can also have it fail to work because there's a Scholar in the party and they adlo'd too hard. OR it could also be necessary for you to take damage from an avoidable AOE in order to keep them such as during Shinryu. It's a bad skill all around and they should have just made Greased Lightning remain up whenever you have a Coeurl/Raptor/Opo Opo form up like Black Mage. There's no reason for Monk to be completely fucked in this way.

As for Tornado Kick it should be an AOE chakra dump.

The fact that, after somewhat improving the chackra gaining, they didn't add another chakra dump was disappointing to say the least

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

It's worth noting that Riddle of Earth is all that while also being extremely unreliable or outright stupid as a means of renewing your stacks. Most commonly you'll lose your GL3 because you were too far into your combo and there's not enough time left on it for the hit to reach you. But you can also have it fail to work because there's a Scholar in the party and they adlo'd too hard. OR it could also be necessary for you to take damage from an avoidable AOE in order to keep them such as during Shinryu. It's a bad skill all around and they should have just made Greased Lightning remain up whenever you have a Coeurl/Raptor/Opo Opo form up like Black Mage. There's no reason for Monk to be completely fucked in this way.

As for Tornado Kick it should be an AOE chakra dump.

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Huh i actually really like that idea, make formshift work like transpose for BLM and make TK an AoE chakra dump, you're onto something there.

Personally I'd like to see it be the 2nd button on the monk AOE combo. You know, tornado kick, a circular kick.

Tornado Kick - Removes all 3 GL stacks as per usual and grants the Monk the ROLLING THUNDER buff (duration 30 seconds).

NEW ABILITY:
Hurricane Kick (lv 64)
XYZ potency. 60 second CD.
Additional Effect.
Consumes ROLLING THUNDER. Grants the Monk 3 stacks of GL.

Remove Riddle of Earth. This can replace it as our level 64 skill.

The benefits of something like this is are:

1) Far more reliable at keeping GL than RoE because this does not take into consideration our current GL timer. It's a flat 30 seconds to use Hurricane Fist, covering most boss jumps. And even if we don't get to attack in time, we've still used Tornado Kick which was always the "pre-boss jump" move.
2) Tornado Kick (currently useless) becomes useful again!
3) Grants Monks an actual new weaponskill -weren't we the only class that didn't get an actual new attack this expansion? We just got buffs and traits, right? /bullshit.

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Originally Posted by BucklesTrespen

Tornado Kick - Removes all 3 GL stacks as per usual and grants the Monk the ROLLING THUNDER buff (duration 30 seconds).

NEW ABILITY:
Hurricane Kick (lv 64)
XYZ potency. 60 second CD.
Additional Effect.
Consumes ROLLING THUNDER. Grants the Monk 3 stacks of GL.

Remove Riddle of Earth. This can replace it as our level 64 skill.

The benefits of something like this is are:

1) Far more reliable at keeping GL than RoE because this does not take into consideration our current GL timer. It's a flat 30 seconds to use Hurricane Fist, covering most boss jumps. And even if we don't get to attack in time, we've still used Tornado Kick which was always the "pre-boss jump" move.
2) Tornado Kick (currently useless) becomes useful again!
3) Grants Monks an actual new weaponskill -weren't we the only class that didn't get an actual new attack this expansion? We just got buffs and traits, right? /bullshit.

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Add that it will use the haymaker animation and yes.

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Originally Posted by Fjola

Add that it will use the haymaker animation and yes.

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That weird punch-kick thing? I was hoping for an new animation to go with a new weaponskill. You know, like every other job got this expansion lol :D

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Originally Posted by BucklesTrespen

That weird punch-kick thing? I was hoping for an new animation to go with a new weaponskill. You know, like every other job got this expansion lol :D

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Ofcourse, it was a little wierd sure but i feel we MNKs need a few more kicks in our repertoire since we're quite punch heavy at the moment