Right now, it is functionally useless. All it does is prevent you from seeing what they type into chat, which is actually detrimental if they are talking crap about you.
If someone is on your blacklist, they should NEVER be in any DF, PF or instance you are in, and vice versa.
You should also have an option to mute them from any/all of your chat logs, or not. By default, the blacklisted player should not be able to send you tells.
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12-06-2017, 03:32 AMChloeGraceEnhance Blacklist
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12-06-2017, 03:34 AMValkyrie_Lenneth
Umm... They can't send you tells? And it does mute them from all chat channels.
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12-06-2017, 03:43 AMBillyKaplanI agree. Let's assume you reported them the first time around. They might've even gotten a warning. But you, following the advice of the GM who replied to you, blacklisted them. Now they're at it again. On one hand you don't see it, which is yey, but on the other hand they're going on unpunished while performing a repeating offense. Furthermore, depending on what they say, they might actually affect the opinion of the people who not only see what they say about you, but see you standing there and silently taking it because you can't see their messages. Which is absurd, when you think about it, because whenever I try to report players for insulting people who aren't myself, the GM tell me they can't accept the report because "I might not understand the context" - which is fair, they might be the kind of bffs who trash talk each other. But in the case of an actual offender, blacklisting them actually protects them from the repeated reports they so deserve.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChloeGrace
This would be the ideal, for sure. I blacklisted someone who kept queueing for Trials roulette as a tank and then would just afk because it was faster to finish the HM trial with 7 people than wait to kick them. Guess who I got in my next trials roulette. When I complained to the GM, they basically shrugged at me. But if I blacklisted them, that means I don't ever want to come in contact with them again, not be in the same context as them in-game. If we're on the same server it can't rightly be helped if we run past each other in Reach, but if it's someone from another server? What did I even blacklist them for? I'm better off reporting them every time I run into them in the hopes something would actually budge.Quote:
If someone is on your blacklist, they should NEVER be in any DF, PF or instance you are in, and vice versa.
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12-06-2017, 03:46 AMChloeGraceWhich is what I posted in the second sentence. The point is, it's not a benefit. You should have the option to do this, or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
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12-06-2017, 03:49 AMHyoMinParkAnd the option to mute them from your channels is to add them to your blacklist. Just like how, on social media, you would set them to your “Ignore” list, or “Block” list. The feature is functioning as intended there. And the blacklisted player being unable to send you tells is a default setting—they can send them to you all day long, but they’re muted/blocked from your chat so you’ll never see them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChloeGrace
The option to do a sweeping mute of a single person is something only GMs have. I can already see the abuse potential if players had the power to mute/silence a player in-game just because they don’t want them spamming other people’s chats with trash talk. -
12-06-2017, 03:53 AMChloeGraceWhich doesn't change the fact that it's still useless. It provides no benefit to a blacklisting player.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
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12-06-2017, 03:59 AMHyoMinParkThat’s a subjective measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChloeGrace
The people on my blacklist don’t show up in my chat, their tells do not show up for me, and they can’t join any Party Finder parties that I have made or am in, so I feel like it’s working as intended for me. If they end up in a DF group with me, well I don’t really care. I’ve been there before, and the person actually wasn’t talking any crap about me. Truth be told, they probably didn’t even remember who I was, nor know why I had them blacklisted in the first place.
Players cannot have the GM power to outright mute a player across everyone’s chat. It would take less than 30 seconds for that kind of power to be abused. -
12-06-2017, 04:05 AMChloeGraceYou misunderstand the OP. Have an option to keep it like it is regarding chat blocking, or allow players to turn that part off.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
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12-06-2017, 04:54 AMSuperZay
Will never happen because it'll be abused. For example if I blacklist all new/bad healers in PvP I'll start getting only good healers which will give me an advantage.
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12-06-2017, 04:58 AMTaikaThey can join PF groups you're in, just not the ones you've formed. I had a person I had blisted join 3 different OS4 pf groups with me, so I had to keep taking them off the list and putting them back again (in case they would say something important related to mechanics).Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
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12-06-2017, 05:36 AMVivi_Bushido
To be honest, I would also like the option to know that you have been blacklisted on the other end so I'm not sitting there sending messages all day with no idea the person even blocked me at all.
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12-06-2017, 05:46 AMMimiluYou underestimate how many new/bad healers there are... >w>Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperZay
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12-06-2017, 08:09 AMSekkei
You may not have any say on if they join someone else's created pf, but blacklist can prevent them from joining ones you make. May not be of much help in terms of the whole blacklist system but it can come in handy. Earlier in the year there was a healer trolling every single Susano Extreme pf they could jump in and causing wipes by constantly aiming the arena mechanics that targeted them to screw everyone else over, such as the parted seas stack aimed at the last second to make everyone and tanks suffer, not to mention the clouds. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, blacklist you to keep you out of mine.
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12-06-2017, 08:53 AMZarabeth
The whole point of the blacklist is to NOT see what they are saying. It's working as intended. The point is to stop the drama/rmt messages on YOUR screen. If you wish to continue the drama and see what they are saying or keep getting rmt tells/says/whatever, don't blacklist them. If they don't want to see what you're saying they will blacklist you.
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12-06-2017, 03:46 PMJavey
If blacklisting is only for chat purposes then there should be a pop up confirmation screen or something that explains that. I was also under the impression that it would prevent them from being matched with you in the duty finder at least.
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12-09-2017, 05:34 PMChloeGraceYeah, it's deceptive. There isn't anything in game that explains or describes what it does (which is nothing useful).Quote:
Originally Posted by Javey
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12-09-2017, 05:53 PMHyoMinParkIf the blacklist blocked players from being in the same instance as those who had originally blacklisted them, well, there are some players out there with full blacklists. That leads to potential issues down the line with regards to DF matching, which could lead to longer queues. So I can see why the blacklist is not designed to prevent random matching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Javey
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12-10-2017, 02:12 AMLastFireAce
I rather not see them on screen
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12-10-2017, 06:29 AMSoupa
I've needed to use blacklist all of like...2-3 times? Pretty much solved the issue I was having with the player. How are you guys using your blacklists? Works pretty well for me so far.
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12-10-2017, 02:41 PMKisagami
So, you want to block the person from doing things with you, but you want to see if they're shit talking too? People usually ignore those who are shit talking people who don't respond/ignore to them. Shit talkers also tend to be reported rather quickly by other people for being disruptive, and, or vile. You can't have your cake and eat it too...
If a friend decides to take the shit talker seriously, rather than their friendship with you, they weren't really a good friend now, were they?
I'm perfectly fine having them blocked from contacting me. And I will gladly take a penalty rather than party with someone i have blocked - fortunately, I've never ended up in a random queue with someone I've blocked. And they leave me alone, I leave them alone. They fail to exist for me except for them kind of passing by. -
12-12-2017, 01:41 AMChloeGraceGMs will not accept reports that don't directly involve you. Therefore, they can't accept someone else's report for the blacklisted person's disruptive behavior if it's directed at you, and you can't report it either because you can see it in your chat log.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kisagami
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12-12-2017, 03:51 AMBreezelyn
Would be pretty nice to not be randomly matched with people on your blacklist. Cause...you know, the person (or people) on your blacklist for reasons. I don't see a problem them adding a feature that prevents people, on your blacklist, from joining parties you are in. Made by you or not your PF; Anyone on someone's blacklist shouldn't be able to join a party or be randomly matched with the person on the blacklist. So much inconvenience. :v
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12-12-2017, 03:48 PMPandaMoniumMan, I feel like a complete idiot now as until I've read this thread I was sure that this is exactly what Blacklist does - prevent blacklisted players to enter the same DR/PF with me.Quote:
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Sad times as I used Blacklist solely for this purpose.
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12-12-2017, 07:13 PMReinhaThose who blacklist a lot or get blacklisted a lot are in the minority, surely, so I don't believe it would have a noticeable impact on queue times for most people. I would rather wait a few seconds or minutes longer for someone not on my blacklist than to run any content with people on my blacklist.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
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12-12-2017, 10:09 PMTempest222
I think it’s fine as is. Maybe queue times wouldn’t increase, but they probably would at least some of the time. DPS queues can already be over 30 minutes long, I’d rather not wait even longer because I happened to get matched with a couple other people with huge black lists
I also think the function blocking you from seeing the black listed person’s chat makes sense. If you want to continue to see what someone is saying so that you can always be there to report them for it, then don’t black list them. And I’d it did prevent players from being matched with you via duty finder than you still wouldn’t ever see anything they were saying because you wouldn’t be matched with them..... so why still need the ability to see their chat?
And I really can’t see someone entering an instance and smack talking someone else going over too well with others anyway. Friends don’t usually ditch friends because of other jerks saying ridiculous things. Also, if I was potentially a random person in a situation like that, I don’t see myself sitting there thinking “man this guy saying terrible things to or about this other player for no apparent reason seems like a really nice and trustworthy stand up guy, and since the other player isn’t responding that must mean they are trash. I’m going to believe everything he says and add him to my friends list.” -
12-12-2017, 10:58 PMTaikaWould it be fair for those who get blacklisted for silly reasons though? If it's 8 person content, everyone who has been blocked by any of those 8 people will be prevented from participation. In Rabanastre that's everyone blocked by any of the 24 participants...Quote:
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I know I temporarily blacklist people just because I don't want them joining my PF groups. Doesn't mean I'd like to banish them from any DF runs or other people's PF I may be joining. -
12-12-2017, 11:00 PMAxlStream
The blacklist is fine as is... You're supposed to just blacklist and move on with your play, not dwell over someone talking smack...
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12-13-2017, 01:40 AMNicodemus_Mercy
Honestly I just want the blacklist to be account wide and to be able to blacklist names even if they aren't online. That alone would be a massive blow to the gil spammers and that's the primary reason I blacklist anyone.