Rival Wings needs some Serious rework.

Playing a Melee DPS is suicide. Not only because all the Mechs have mid range attacks (wich hit almost every time even if you run out the first second you see it) but also because everybody and his Mom focus you.

Healers are Gods. The know it. So they go out alone, seeking 1v3's and spamming emotes while 3 people are not able to kill them wich leads to no Heal in the bigger Fights. The Picture in the end looks like this: all DPS are dead, Healers are spread around the entire map, being the only ones alive while running from /fighting 2-4 people.

Those are only 2 Problems of a bunch and im Sure SE is aware of them. Its probably time to implement specific Nerfs Again only for large scale PvP. (Like they did with potencys and stuff in 3.X)

Healers Attacks should have a Cooldown. Its just to OP being able to survive 3 People and even kill them after a while or, remove the potency completely and make them CC only (slow, root). This way, Healers would focus on healing again. They will still be immortal in 1v1 though...

For MeleeDPS i have no idea how to fix it. Maybe they need bigger potencys to even out the handicap of being the ones who get hit by everything. But at the moment, the worst you can do for yourself and the Team, is playing a Monk, DRG etc.

I honestly think healers base heals should be as expensive and as potent as a double vercure, 5k potency for 1500 MP. That probably would help a bit, since it would be about strategic use of OGCDs and less overall sustain. Maybe melee DPS in general should have a long cooldown version of hallowed ground (5 sec duration, 5 min or longer recovery) to give closing ability. Its tough to balance though.

Melees used to have an ability that made them immune to CC skills for a bit called Fetter Ward in 3.x PvP. . .

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Originally Posted by Araxes

Playing a Melee DPS is suicide. Not only because all the Mechs have mid range attacks (wich hit almost every time even if you run out the first second you see it) but also because everybody and his Mom focus you.

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You want suicide? Try jumping in an Oppressor. I really doubt that melees get a deal as raw as those clockwork tin cans.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

Healers are Gods. The know it. So they go out alone, seeking 1v3's and spamming emotes while 3 people are not able to kill them wich leads to no Heal in the bigger Fights.

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Healers cannot kill things on their own. Period. If I kill a dragoon because they were dopey enough to stay around long enough for me to bring their HP to zero on my own, then they should be ashamed of themselves, because the potency of Broil is fairly pathetic.

The advantage I have is that I can hold a generator or push lanes far more effectively than a DPS can, since I can survive while either broiling people trying to cap (if they would time their captures then it wouldn't work, but the times I've had to solo generator guard duty can be counted on one hand, and people don't learn), or heal Viking mammets to build up my forces.

Playing a healer is like playing a brick wall. You're going to take a lot of effort kill, but you aren't going to enjoy the experience.

I only think melee should run faster or have their bolt cooldown reduced, I can see them being useful in the feast, but its not happening in 24-72man.

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

Healers cannot kill things on their own. Period.

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Im kinda tempted to make a video just for you. When i play astro i can destroy people pretty fast especially with the Damage card+ my dps spell.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

Melees used to have an ability that made them immune to CC skills for a bit called Fetter Ward in 3.x PvP. . .

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Well sadly we dont have the 3.0 System anymore. :(

Fetter Ward: Initial cooldown 2 minutes. Initial duration, 9 seconds. Can be traited twice to be 90 sec and 12 secs, respectively. Most stun cooldowns; 30 seconds.

It also didn't shield against damage, so you could still be melted as you closed in and fought. Against BJ or many CC's, it would have done you no good, and the fact that everyone had cc would do a lot of harm, since you can just stun or bind someone to be hit with the sword attack or flamethrower. I don't think it would have been a good trade.

I think WHM and AST need their Bind and Heavy status also removed.. Nothing is more annoying than having an AST jump out of nowhere and bind you while on a mount and start spamming their Malefic on you.

Melees dps left alone against a chaser or brute can be quite effective. Especially when they have LBs to use.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

Melees used to have an ability that made them immune to CC skills for a bit called Fetter Ward in 3.x PvP. . .

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And now it's called Concentrate. . .

In terms of Melee I think MNK get the raw end of the deal. DRG can actually be god tier against mech since Piercing Talon is % based, when mobs are almost dead you can rip them to shred from range pretty efficiently.

MNK however is the only melee job that seems to have 0 range attacks, they only get 2 draw ins with their wind tackle ability but everything else is close range to the point it's just tedious to try and attack any other player in the field because of how fast they move.

SAM can at least Enpi, Ninja can throw Daggers/Ninjutsu and DRG has Jumps and Piercing Talon.

Sure, as long ranged and casters can get melee stun then all will be fair :p I really missed whats its called in 3.0 where ranged have aoe knockback.

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

Healers cannot kill things on their own. Period. If I kill a dragoon because they were dopey enough to stay around long enough for me to bring their HP to zero on my own, then they should be ashamed of themselves, because the potency of Broil is fairly pathetic.

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Well SCH also has Chain Strategem which is on very short cooldown and increases the damage a target takes by 5% or maybe 10%, I forget. Anyway, it makes quite a difference.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

I think WHM and AST need their Bind and Heavy status also removed.. Nothing is more annoying than having an AST jump out of nowhere and bind you while on a mount and start spamming their Malefic on you.

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Um, any damage to you while mounted is going to limp you. Soooo.....

Also you can always ignore the healer. While yes I can take down a dps as a healer it is quite cumbersome to do so. I would be better off gathering CE or escorting mammets.

Only its moment interesting you ?
1.No penalty on dead [ Meat cannon on player , rush to base / mech to damaged]
2.No penalty on dead Mech [ Hello spam robot , if you own generator , and same rush on core / tower ignore player]
3.So fast spawn CE tank on cave [Gathering non-stop and same spam mech ]
4.Minions useless [All ignore :( ]
5.So OP healer [ Never kill its small party / 2 healer vs 2 dps and 1 healer ] [ Hello dance on mid generator ]
6.Blind zone on North [ Steam cannon dont hit on special spot , its easy way to win ]

If CE fix it , Rival Wing give more strategy on play , ppl fight on line . Its problem easy find , if make more big analysis , possible find more problem its PvP mode

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Well SCH also has Chain Strategem which is on very short cooldown and increases the damage a target takes by 5% or maybe 10%, I forget. Anyway, it makes quite a difference.

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chain stratagem do almost nothing on their own. If your broil do 5% more damage than mean you need 20 broils into chain stratagem get one extra broil. Stratagem have 50% uptime so you need cast 40 broils before you benefit one extra broil that take 92 seconds. After 1 - 2 broil casts opponent is already out from your casting range and you can not kill your opponent. I have never died against healer from full hp in 1v1. It is really easy escape from them.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

I would be better off gathering CE or escorting mammets.

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All the while preventing enemy DPS from gathering CE at that spot, because to do so they'd first have to fight you over it and automatically lose due to "Healer-balance"™. They have to surrender the resources to the enemy team or die, both of which put their team at a disadvantage.
If the DPS tries to push mammets instead and there's a healer there, they'll also lose that exchange by default with a similar effect. That's because a DPS loses any exchange against a healer by default because healers are broken.
Where do you think those fights against healers happen in the first place? In the middle of the desert? No, at the objectives of course, because those have been put in to make players fight over them. Working as intended - until healers enter the scene.

Thus, "Just ignore the healer" is like saying "Just ignore the objectives", because the healers are guarding (and gathering) said objectives. I'm sure that'll turn out reaaally well.

Truthfully, though, even if you don't heed that advice and try to put up a fight instead of flat surrendering to the overwhelming power of healers, you'll be at a disadvantage anyway. You basically need 2-3 non-healers for every healer at the absolute least, but both teams have the same amount of players, so the team with more healers can assault or hold more overall resources with the same amount of people or the same amount of resources with less people. Either way, you're screwed and need to pray the enemy is terrible and thus unable to use their advantages (mammet farming or player fighting Oppressors say hi).

"Balanced"™.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

Melees dps left alone against a chaser or brute can be quite effective. Especially when they have LBs to use.

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Being alone with a Brute or chaser practically never happens to me. they are always guarded and lets be honest. Theyr Attacks hit to 95% even if you run out of the aoe marker in a second. It feels like it is bigger than diplayed.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

Being alone with a Brute or chaser practically never happens to me. they are always guarded and lets be honest. Theyr Attacks hit to 95% even if you run out of the aoe marker in a second. It feels like it is bigger than diplayed.

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It's the latency thing but their attacks also have animation locks, best thing just to keep moving around.
What's hard in melee is awareness when attacks not coming in from front or our cone view.
I've turned on fixed view (legacy camera view in player configuration) but it takes getting used to.
Same thing I have to do when watching mobs during boss fight like Vault.
They need to tune FoV and allow farther camera zoom.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

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If I am ignoring the DPS then they could be gathering CE.

If I am escorting mammets then they should go around me and kill them off closer to where they spawn. Or a DPS could just go attack the tower. Why face off a healer where they are at when there are ways to go around them. If I am at Blue tower escorting mammets, killing off the mammets before they get to me is a heck of a lot more effective than trying to distract me or fight the ones I am healing. Sure the ones I escorted do damage but they also implode and then I have to wait for the freshly spawned ones to reach me.