PGL and Ifrit

Last night I did a few Ifrit runs as PGL (only capped class at the moment for me) and it was fine up to the point when he starts with the AOE.

I was rarely caught by Eruption, but was being slowly killed by his frequent AOEs.

Now, what do you think should be the role of a PGL during an Ifrit fight?


This is how I do:

1 - Wait for GLA to get enough hate;
2 - Position behind Ifrit and start attacking;
3 - Stay by tank when he Jumps;
4 - Get back behind him;
5 - when Eruption arrives I move far from tank;


Problem is at a certain point I spend more time healing my-self rather then attacking him.


Suggestions welcome,

Guevara.

Move in and out, time your move in with when his Sear ability goes off, do 1 AA or 1 WS and go out again, it can be hard to time it correctly but if you achieve that, you rarely take any dmg at all. ^^

As was stated, you can weave in and out. Help out your healers by mitigating damage by keeping Stoneskin on yourself whenever you can, using Second Wind whenever it's ready, and using Bloodbath with your heavy damage WS's. Hell if anything, you can just Invigorate then stand out of Sear range in passive to get some HP back while your TP ticks up, too, or save Invigorate for whenever he jumps.

I've had many Lancers that would AA from within Sear range and fights still turned out OK, and PGL's Second Wind is much better so you shouldn't be as much of a burden as you would expect when your group gets enough experience with the fight. MP for your healers really shouldn't be an issue unless Ifrit decides to constantly spam Eruptions on them or they haven't had much experience with the fight.

We did it with 4 thm 3 con and a pug tank. Once the pug got the hang of tanking him he went down super fast. thm burns with a gld tank take maybe 8-9 mins but with a pug tank u can take that down to 7-8 mins

dont underestimate the power of a pug tank too if u try it again ^^

Is that Evasion tanking? Would you mind providing your PGL's gear setup? I'm ever so curious about trying this out myself..

I'm not sure what the pugs gear was (I was on thm) but he was eva tanking. It happened as an accident at first when we had a gla and a pug both in the pt and the gla went down, the pug stepped in and finished the second half successfully so we decided to try it with pug from the beginning, and it worked. I can see if I can find out tho what gear he was wearing and if he was using any materia.

Pug does take a few more heals than gla of course but also gets hit less, the damage output is higher so Ifrit will go down faster which can kindda make up for it. I'm convinced we could kill him before he can hellfire but we havent tested it yet. I'm thinking 5 thm, 2 con and a pug tank could do it if everyone was on their game. Closest we have come is getting him to around 30% health.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

I'm not sure what the pugs gear was (I was on thm) but he was eva tanking. It happened as an accident at first when we had a gla and a pug both in the pt and the gla went down, the pug stepped in and finished the second half successfully so we decided to try it with pug from the beginning, and it worked. I can see if I can find out tho what gear he was wearing and if he was using any materia.

Pug does take a few more heals than gla of course but also gets hit less, the damage output is higher so Ifrit will go down faster which can kindda make up for it. I'm convinced we could kill him before he can hellfire but we havent tested it yet. I'm thinking 5 thm, 2 con and a pug tank could do it if everyone was on their game. Closest we have come is getting him to around 30% health.

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No matter what +evasion you have on gear or how much you pop Featherfoot, you can't evade Ifrit's attacks except on 1st 15% of ifrit and during nails phase.
And is impossible to kill Ifrit before hellfire pops, during nails phase if you get him to 10-15% hp he does hellfire earlier. ^^;

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Originally Posted by ShadowCadja

No matter what +evasion you have on gear or how much you pop Featherfoot, you can't evade Ifrit's attacks except on 1st 15% of ifrit and during nails phase.
And is impossible to kill Ifrit before hellfire pops, during nails phase if you get him to 10-15% hp he does hellfire earlier. ^^;

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Well that just sucks lol I thought it would be fun to be able to kill him beforehand. Regardless of eva tho pug can tank him too, ive never really tanked nor care to ever tank so I dont know the ins and outs of it

this is a good point you have here, i would suggest that they make this AoE a cone effect, PGL has to be right beside ifrit so is a natural thing ending dead or healing more than attacking, i think they should change that, more like the ogre with the elbow drop, you dont have any problem being near him but you have to evade a few time his ws.

i hope the dev team takes this type of suggestion to improve the battles for all classes.

Ifrit's AoE swipe (as distinct from his single-target claw attack during phase 1 and hellfire) is evade-able (or at least blockable) as of 1.20.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Ifrit's AoE swipe (as distinct from his single-target claw attack during phase 1 and hellfire) is evade-able (or at least blockable) as of 1.20.

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Yah it's blockable but not evade-able, I've tried tanking as PGL with +100 evasion on gear, only evasions I ever got in a few runs was only during 1st 15% and nails phase and even that was almost only when featherfoot >.< Overall, while PGL can tank it, unfortunately isn't effective at all since you take much more dmg than others, even with FoE up, and to do good dmg combos you would need to move to the side and well, a tank moving to the side in ifrit can cause all sorts of problems... So is better to use a MRD or GLA instead. =( PGL can do really well as DD on ifrit anyway since that's what we are now, full out DDs =/

Tried yesterday...
Pugilist as DD from mr. Ifrit :D
2nd in DPS (more problem, the tank was the first time and hate always super-red, but not blinking :D )
Healing on me only 2 or 3 times, when i'll take some comfindence with movement...
Evasion 0 during the fight, even with Featherfoot in front of Ifrit (after first 15%)
Bloodbath+Second Wind FTW, from behind i'll hit ifrit for 541 (Crit) with Howling Fist + 100 (more or less) of Demolish + 100 (more or less) Pounce.....

One thing is sure.... Pugilist from ifrit is the maximum level of funny-bunny of all times :Q_____ \o/

(From moogle i'll tried as PGL and tanking the mooglarauder best of the GLA *__* )




Who don't love Pugilist will defeat from his fury! muahahah o/

As a huge fan of Pgl I've tanked Ifrit successfully and yes, you can evade the swipes but it's rare. Alpine Warjacket makes it a bit easier though.

I've also done Pgl DD on Ifrit and it works great, just stack on tank and stick with that rear combo. Just a few things, can't do a full combo between eruptions especially after hellfire. Keep out of sear range and rely on throwing weapons and invigorate for TP when your HP gets below half. Also let the tank build plenty of hate before you go in otherwise 2 combos later you're gonna be tanking. xD

Oh and don't use Fists of Fire unless you wanna heal him, lol.

I don't know if it's consistent or not but I was actually dealing more damage if I popped Fists of Earth and it's fairly easy to manage if you aren't constantly eating sears.

When I took PGL in opened with the Aura Pulse combo for slow but I pretty much dropped that altogether after the first phase. It's nice to be able to use Simian there too and I saved Quelling Strike for Howling Fist. While it's not as stellar, you can just freely pop Simian when you get a chance to push out some damage. Blindside + Blood for Blood, Howling Fist was almost pushing 700 (685). I couldn't break it though =|

ON the FoF cure note - isn't it kinda weird that Fists of Fire cures him but the additional effect on his weapons don't?

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Originally Posted by KRose

I don't know if it's consistent or not but I was actually dealing more damage if I popped Fists of Earth and it's fairly easy to manage if you aren't constantly eating sears.

When I took PGL in opened with the Aura Pulse combo for slow but I pretty much dropped that altogether after the first phase. It's nice to be able to use Simian there too and I saved Quelling Strike for Howling Fist. While it's not as stellar, you can just freely pop Simian when you get a chance to push out some damage. Blindside + Blood for Blood, Howling Fist was almost pushing 700 (685). I couldn't break it though =|

ON the FoF cure note - isn't it kinda weird that Fists of Fire cures him but the additional effect on his weapons don't?

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Yeah i tought that too, maybe because theres not much variety of primal weapons doesnt apply, once shiva is out there they might change that.

Actually I remember some offhand comment either in game or on lodestone about Ifrit's flames piercing fire resistance (since enough fire resistance would theoretically make him a cakewalk, I imagine). Since the weapons are made of his horns/claws it would be safe to assume that their flames also ignore fire resistance.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Actually I remember some offhand comment either in game or on lodestone about Ifrit's flames piercing fire resistance (since enough fire resistance would theoretically make him a cakewalk, I imagine). Since the weapons are made of his horns/claws it would be safe to assume that their flames also ignore fire resistance.

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I never even thought of that but it makes sense. Thanks :D

I'm still trying to figure out how to maximize my dmg potential on Ifrit. I always seem to fall behind the LNCs in my shell and I like to believe I'm pretty well geared (With them being more so for that class).

While reading this, and i want to say now i havent had a ifrit fight yet, andi sooo cant wait to try, but as someone that has lvled PGL to 50 mostly solo and at least 20 levels with the new combo system, it would seem to me that the DD PGL would be better, its hardest attack combo starts in the rear, so tanking would take one of the best PGL combos out of the game unless you have a hate puller, if that is even possible in FFXIV, i remember it being a pain in FFXI, so just curious, because PGL is my only class as 50 and i want to dive into some of the primal fights^^

You cant fight ifrit without tank so there.

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Originally Posted by Meleena

You cant fight ifrit without tank so there.

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Yay for being constructive!

As far as a Pugilist tanking goes on this fight, haven't done it personally since 1.20 but there's a video floating around and not being able to execute Howling Fist didn't seem like that much of an issue.

Going into DD - you instantly increase your Auto-Attack damage in that fight merely by popping Fists of Earth (doubled the damage per fist for me). MP Management can be an issue if you plan on keeping it up full-time but you really don't have to. You should be able to keep it up for the first phase easily. You can also execute the Simian Thrash combo in the first phase. After he starts wsing I'd steer from trying to combo it but you can still freely use it. Pre-Hellfire you can use Pounce -> Sucker Punch to help with some recovery. During Hellfire, Sanguite Rite can actually be used to get a nice chunk of it back. If you have a THM that doesn't use it with Sacred Prism you can just set it yourself. Howling Fist is obvious - you can get nice returns on it with Blindside + Blood for Blood. If you need HP you should probably prioritize Bloodbath over Second Wind IF you can get Howling Fist off. Second Wind is essentially instant so it's better for those "ohshit!" moments where you can just pop it. It's also good if you get caught in a sear during a weaponskill.

Speaking of sears, that's a fairly large issue for Pugilist in this fight but you can get around it. You can toggle him off/on to deal with it, or you can actually go in config to keep him locked on but not keep your character locked on. This allows you to "weave" in and out to let your auto-attack rounds hit but not worry about getting hit from sear.

I haven't successfully gotten a combo on a nail... I guess because they don't have a "face"? Or maybe I'm doing it wrong. Either way, it's just something to note if you plan on wsing them down.

I can't really think of anything else. The only classes I've fallen behind in parses are (good) THM/ARC... and the only time ARC beats me is when they have a good day with Bloodletter.

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Yay for being constructive!

As far as a Pugilist tanking goes on this fight, haven't done it personally since 1.20 but there's a video floating around and not being able to execute Howling Fist didn't seem like that much of an issue.

Going into DD - you instantly increase your Auto-Attack damage in that fight merely by popping Fists of Earth (doubled the damage per fist for me). MP Management can be an issue if you plan on keeping it up full-time but you really don't have to. You should be able to keep it up for the first phase easily. You can also execute the Simian Thrash combo in the first phase. After he starts wsing I'd steer from trying to combo it but you can still freely use it. Pre-Hellfire you can use Pounce -> Sucker Punch to help with some recovery. During Hellfire, Sanguite Rite can actually be used to get a nice chunk of it back. If you have a THM that doesn't use it with Sacred Prism you can just set it yourself. Howling Fist is obvious - you can get nice returns on it with Blindside + Blood for Blood. If you need HP you should probably prioritize Bloodbath over Second Wind IF you can get Howling Fist off. Second Wind is essentially instant so it's better for those "ohshit!" moments where you can just pop it. It's also good if you get caught in a sear during a weaponskill.

Speaking of sears, that's a fairly large issue for Pugilist in this fight but you can get around it. You can toggle him off/on to deal with it, or you can actually go in config to keep him locked on but not keep your character locked on. This allows you to "weave" in and out to let your auto-attack rounds hit but not worry about getting hit from sear.

I haven't successfully gotten a combo on a nail... I guess because they don't have a "face"? Or maybe I'm doing it wrong. Either way, it's just something to note if you plan on wsing them down.

I can't really think of anything else. The only classes I've fallen behind in parses are (good) THM/ARC... and the only time ARC beats me is when they have a good day with Bloodletter.

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I see. I caught on to the weaving in and out very quickly. As for FoE I was not using that prior, but I'll rotate it in during the first phase. I also did not know HF was so menacing outside of the combo.

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I haven't successfully gotten a combo on a nail... I guess because they don't have a "face"? Or maybe I'm doing it wrong. Either way, it's just something to note if you plan on wsing them down.

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After 1.20 my LS was messing around with Combo'ing the nails so we could destroy them all consistently and from what we could see it seems like the direction they "face" is random. If you have a chat log set to show your damage you can throw out a filler or low delay WS and it will tell you what direction your WS hit from. You can use that to help tell where exactly the nail is facing.

Going to mention some things about tanking on PGL since there's already a lot of good and helpful information about DPS'ing the fight.

I've tanked this countless times on GLA, MRD and PGL and for me, PGL is hands down the most fun tank for this fight and works extremely well as long as you have competent healers that can dodge eruptions.

The DPS alone can can match and even surpass any of the individual THMs if you know what you're doing. With that plus all of the enmity gaining skills, you will have so much hate that the THMs can go to town on Ifrit without having to worry about getting his attention. Which makes for some seriously quick runs.

If you're familiar with tanking then you should know the basic stuff. Keep Taunt, Provoke, Flash on CD. Evading when he's in triples doesn't seem possible from what I've seen. That's debatable, I just haven't seen myself evade during that time personally. Parry however does work during triples so Foresight is another skill you can also keep on CD. The turning trick when he lands from Dash is especially more useful for PGL since this class takes more damage. If you don't know how to do it, there is a rock near where you normally stand to tank. Just be at it when he lands from Dash and wait for him to turn, then run back to the regular spot. You avoid swipes and Incinerates with this technique. Combo'ing is a bit tricky. For those who don't know, you can activate combos in the the required position and run back to your regular tanking position before animation even goes off, which is very useful for this fight especially if you have other melee in the PT so you don't turn Ifrit and have them eating Incinerates or swipes. Timing is what you need here, I would suggest waiting when Ifrit does a TP move (anything except Vulcan Burst since this will knock you far out if you're at it's back/side) before chaining combos. So when he does, you just have run to his back/side to activate Pounce/Concussive Blow and immediately run back to his front before your animation goes off. It may seem like a long run to his back but really you only need to go a little ways back but still be underneath him. Play with it until you find the sweet spot. Stack Blindside + Blood for Blood(optional, I don't use it when tanking just because I don't like having another source of losing HP) and you'll be knocking out 600+ damage on Howling Fist. Once you having the timing down, you can start timing your combos in between swipes also which will raise your DPS. I also like to keep Fist of Earth off until after Hellfire. It's a more crucial time to have it on and it's good to have the defense buff and the added DPS to push the fight to the end.

Gearwise, you could go with HP melded stuff and some Mythril Wristlets for added defence, but to be honest, if your mages can't stay alive to keep you alive then gear isn't going to help you. The fight is so short that CNJ will never run out of MP (they really shouldn't regardless of who's tanking). Personally, I wear my STR gear with Mythril Wrislets and do fine with it.

If you're PGL main and haven't tanked this fight, I highly recommend it. Hell, I recommend it to anyone with Lv50 PGL. This fight alone made me a huge fan of PGL. It's just so fun running around constantly and firing off combos whenever the hell I want and watching the the huge light show for Simian Thrash will put a smile on anyones face. Hope this information helps and happy hunting!

If you are DDing on Ifrit and dying from his AoE too much, your healer is also in the wrong. After the latest patch, when the other cnj dies, I catch myself healing the tank without a problem. CNJ's can throw in heals to the melee dd's very easily because I do that now.

For tanking, I've never seen a PGL tank Ifrit yet but have heard about it plenty of times. It's nice to see that this goes on. Great job to the community for changing things up a bit.