This is how Materia System should be

Short...

FF7 has Slots for Weapons/Armor
Using DoL Materia items gains you Materia slots on Armor/Weapons when your trying to "meld".
Then you Equip your Materia which you either buyed or Sprited.
Can Swap Materia off any equipment with slots without it breaking.
Materia levels up more you use it in battle. Sameway with Spriting. Aka.. AP.
Once Materia reaches AP cap it levels up and stats upgrade. (Materia stats is lowered down to meet that level of armor's cap. Which means if you have a max tier4 Materia on a lv1 Armor it will have same stats as a tier1 Materia unless its changed to another piece of gear thats higher level to suit that Materia


In Detail...

Drop less support with Melding Materia on armor and weapons please. Its a nice option to the game but I don't want it to be a grind/break fest. Its a nice Augment option for armor but this shouldn't be the main focus on Upgrading Armor.

(Edit:Make it Melding 3 Slots the limit. Drop the 100% chance to 65% and then.. 35% then 20%. Instead of Melding Materia on Equipment make it a option to create Materia slots.

HQ equipment will give you 10% bonus to creating slots.

Basically if you fail creating a Materia slot on that piece of equipment the equipment breaks.

(Edit Extra: Failing to create extra slots, any currect Materia equiped on that equipment will be returned back to your bag with currect AP.

Also make a other menu just for Equiping Materia on any piece of armor you have slots for. (You can Level up Materia to upgrade it with AP when you kill mobs that give you exp.)

Drop less Support of Spirting armor and weapons to create random level Materia. Breaking Higher level Armor/Weapons will create better stage Materia but not anything above lv2/3 for right now. Once you Equip the Materia you have to level it up to raise its Stats by feeding it AP. Rarer Materia cant be created this way.

Add tier5 Materia, because of what players already have so they can upgrade there tier4.

Removing Materia on Equipment slots will remove its AP and its level. You will keep the same Materia but it will be just weaker. Noone will be able to sell the best Materia. Just the near best.

Make Equiping Materia and creating Materia slots a Cost DoL Melding Materials.

Make Ra/ex Equipment have Materia slots already set to be used once obtained. Add Materia slot # limitations as you please with any piece.

Also make Spirting Armor create AP for your Materia on your Equipment level up. Less Materia/Equipment with Materia you have equiped when you convert your armor the higher amount of AP will be put into your Materia.

Selling Materia will reset its AP to 0. It will still keep its level but the AP bar will be 0.

Add Materia in any craft as a Material for creating equipment or items.

Add AP gain while crafting and gathering. AP gain depending on EXP Gain at currect level.

Lastly make a DoH Materia class to combine Materia to make combined Materia (Vit+10 Dex+10 etc)

Combining Higher level Materia will have better chance of combining. After combined it will reset to tier1 Materia but will have combined stats. (Vit+3 Dex+3 etc)

Also for players already rewarded by Melding make them have 1 Materia Slot and give back there Materia for all 1st Meldings. For Melding for 2nd and so on give them back there Materia and add ton of AP on there Materia.

An extremely punitive system, into a ultra-extremely punitive one ?
How about no ?

Hows that harder...? Its easyer read again troll. The game has totally messed up stats and gives us options to meld more Materia with stats on armor but hugely punishes us for trying to. Basically noone is doing it. My system is more engaged with keeping Materia unbroken and make it more of progress system in earning AP.

Players would agree to make Progress to no progress.

Materia DoH maybe a bad idea but it could add a huge gil sink to the game and be able to create some rarer Materia and add less Grinding overall with gaining AP.

The currect game makes crafting same armor over and over too easy. It supports Melding system this way and main problem is Melding is way too unlikely. I personally think the currect Melding System and Materia System is bad because its totally based on Luck.

This is ok but how much LUCK does a person really have... please go to a casino and gamble all your life savings and tell me if you win more then you spent.

Luck should only be for mainly crafting HQ armor.

Now i'm a troll ? Good to know prankster.
however i'm speaking of this

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Make it Melding 3 Slots the limit. Drop the 100% chance to 55% and then.. 15% then 10%.

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Basically if you fail creating a Materia slot on that piece of equipment the equipment breaks.

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Basicly it's much lower then now, with the same penality.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

Now i'm a troll ? Good to know prankster.
however i'm speaking of this


Basicly it's much lower then now, with the same penality.

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1. You dont lose Materia
2. HQ has higher 10% bonus to all of that.
3. Actually with me limiting the meld to 3cap it will improve the Materia Stats overhall with Balance. (Either more # of stats or stats will be way better then they are now.) This will also make it easyer for players to reach the cap.
4. Droping the % of the first Melding of the Slots to balance out the other chances of the next 2 Meldings.
5. 15% and 10% maybe too low. Recreating armor in crafting isn't too bad since so those %'s for normal equipment seems fine. HQ armor would be... 65%, 25%, 20%... hmmm 70%, 50%, 40% seems better because all were really doing is adding Materia slots, not giving it stats and HQ armor should have better chases like that.

6. I hate it when someone opens up with a bad responds without explaining why.

7. Main focus also isn't just for changing Materia but also adding more reasonable options for adding Materia on Ra/ex gear.

My two-bits:
I loved the Materia system in FFVII.

Let's do it that way!

To sum up it would sort of look like this:
- Materia can be rewards from quests, drops from NMs, found in chests, and bought in shops
Obviously the weakest ones bought, and the toughest ones found in NMs etc.


- Armour/Weapons have a fixed number of slots
Something with 5 slots may have weaker stats, but more opportunities to upgrade.
Something with 2 slots may have stronger stats, but less opportunities to upgrade/customize


- Adding/Removing Materia is free -- no risk, no penalty
We can spend time customizing our weapons/armour for the job on hand


- Continued use of a Materia will 'Master' it
Bonus stats when they are mastered. Perhaps loose master stat if you remove it (but it can be re-mastered again and all is same).


This would encourage an approach where we can be more strategic on our choice of customization, have more fun/enjoyment in making unique gear that suits our play styles, and not be penalized (or afraid) of trying any changes.

Presently I'm afraid to use materia (I may loose it and that gear! Or I may not need it on that gear in 6 months when something better comes out!)

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Originally Posted by Asiaine

My two-bits:
I loved the Materia system in FFVII.

Let's do it that way!

To sum up it would sort of look like this:
- Materia can be rewards from quests, drops from NMs, found in chests, and bought in shops
Obviously the weakest ones bought, and the toughest ones found in NMs etc.


- Armour/Weapons have a fixed number of slots
Something with 5 slots may have weaker stats, but more opportunities to upgrade.
Something with 2 slots may have stronger stats, but less opportunities to upgrade/customize


- Adding/Removing Materia is free -- no risk, no penalty
We can spend time customizing our weapons/armour for the job on hand


- Continued use of a Materia will 'Master' it
Bonus stats when they are mastered. Perhaps loose master stat if you remove it (but it can be re-mastered again and all is same).


This would encourage an approach where we can be more strategic on our choice of customization, have more fun/enjoyment in making unique gear that suits our play styles, and not be penalized (or afraid) of trying any changes.

Presently I'm afraid to use materia (I may loose it and that gear! Or I may not need it on that gear in 6 months when something better comes out!)

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First this is basically what im saying.
FF7 has Slots for Weapons/Armor
Using DoL Materia items gains you Materia slots on Armor/Weapons
Then you Equip your Materia which you either buyed or Sprited.
Materia levels up more you use it in battle. Sameway with Spriting. Aka.. AP.
Once Materia reaches AP cap it levels up and stats upgrade. (Materia stats is lowered down to meet that level of armor's cap. Which means if you have a max tier4 Materia on a lv1 Armor it will have same stats as a tier1 Materia unless its changed to another piece of gear thats higher level to suit that Materia.
Only reason why I added a penalty for changing Materia is I think SE doesnt want players to swap materia often.
(Edit: Spirting Armor for AP is a good way for players to earn decent amount of AP and keep crafters creating items. Also make any unless armor/Materia players dont need into something they do like AP.

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Originally Posted by Venat

1. You dont lose Materia
2. HQ has higher 10% bonus to all of that.
3. Actually with me limiting the meld to 3cap it will improve the Materia Stats overhall with Balance. (Either more # of stats or stats will be way better then they are now.) This will also make it easyer for players to reach the cap.
4. Droping the % of the first Melding of the Slots to balance out the other chances of the next 2 Meldings.
5. 15% and 10% maybe too low. Recreating armor in crafting isn't too bad since so those %'s for normal equipment seems fine. HQ armor would be... 65%, 25%, 20%... hmmm 70%, 50%, 40% seems better because all were really doing is adding Materia slots, not giving it stats and HQ armor should have better chases like that.

6. I hate it when someone opens up with a bad responds without explaining why.

7. Main focus also isn't just for changing Materia but also adding more reasonable options for adding Materia on Ra/ex gear.

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50% and 40% on second and third meld it's way too much, like that everyone would have hq items with 3 meld. anyhow, you bash the current materia system because it's too luck based (as it's been designed), and you propose basicly the same sistem with some tweek and..gambling :X even with highter %, the two system rely on the same philosofy.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

50% and 40% on second and third meld it's way too much, like that everyone would have hq items with 3 meld. anyhow, you bash the current materia system because it's too luck based (as it's been designed), and you propose basicly the same sistem with some tweek and..gambling :X even with highter %, the two system rely on the same philosofy.

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New system isn't about earning Slots but Leveling Materia. Your not Melding any Materia you Gainning Slots to Equip Materia to that piece of equipment.

This System is pose to give more power towards Ra/ex gear. Ra/ex gear could have more slots and be more optional for adding Materia on and without any risk in creating slots. Crafting just as important also.

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Originally Posted by Venat

Hows that harder...? Its easyer read again troll.

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Easier for you as you came up with the idea!

The way you have written it sounds more complicated than the current system we have now. I dont think they need to change the way materia works, I think they need to change the way gear works with materia. Currently materia is overpowered pushing out the rare u/u gear as its inferior to a high tier piece of gear with one IV materia equipped. This leads to no one running DH or farming HNM's as there is little to no point of doing this.

If they do change materia my idea (also mentioned elsewhere on the forum) is a system to meld materia together, so a system where 2/3/4? pieces of materia can be added together to form a better piece of materia. So something like - Strength I + Strength I (both with +1 stats) = Strength II (+2 stat or maybe random the stat upon creation?). For melding high level IV materia make it so it doesnt increase in tier only in HQ so adding 2 Strength IV together would produce a Strength IV +1. Scale the % success down depending on the tier of materia used, so lvl I materia is 80%, II 60%, III 40% and IV 20% etc etc

Plain and simple, I like the system we have now, and I hate the OPs idea.

Morning.

My 2 Gil.

They should have made all the U/U gear (Darkhold-Ifrit...) automatically turn into the best tier IV materia, and still have the random chance to make a tier IV materia that we do now.
This way, people still run/farm Darkhold gear with a purpose, and will be less likely to balk at the idea of trying to double or triple meld, knowing that they can run the dungeon again, spirit bind the materia, and start their melding process again.

My understanding of the entire materia system was that it was a dual purpose system. It gave players the ability to customize gear the way they see fit, and it effectively removed gear from the game.

Now, because we lvl from 1-40 so fast, there is very little incentive to meld any gear that is lower than lvl 40, so hardly anyone does it. The gear that is getting double and triple melded....and subsequently blown up....is the lvl 40 and higher gear.
No one is going to even attempt double or triple melds with lower tier materia simple because one can gaurantee similar results with a higher tier materia.

Bottom line is, we should be encouraged to blow up as much materia as possible.
We can keep the penalties, but need to have the assurance that we can reasonably get our hands on more materia if/when we fail a meld attempt.

I think that this would also open the door to making job specific gear content much more challenging, and the gear much more powerful.

Thoughts?

A system i would like to see is:

Make the gear that can accept a certain number of slots
Crafters while crafting can control the amount of slots they are attempting to make, the more slots the higher risk, with maximum 5 slots.

Materia should be little tougher to create/obtain (SP is far too ez). There should be a system where you can try to get a certain tier of materia along with an associated risk, resulting in a loss of materia upon fail.

Slots are Materia dependent? (str slot, dex slot, atk slot etc) - maybe a bit too complicated

Melding materia should be 100%
slot #1 should take only tier I
slot #2 tier II or tier I
slot #3 tier III or II or I
slot #4 tier IV, or III or II or I
slot #5 tier IV, or III or II or I

Currently I don't like how you can lose gear and materia when attempting to meld. I rather put the loss during creation of multiple slotted gear or creation of materia.

Although the current system is pretty cool, I love the OP's idea A LOT more. Thumbs up!

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Originally Posted by ninesunz

A system i would like to see is:

Make the gear that can accept a certain number of slots
Crafters while crafting can control the amount of slots they are attempting to make, the more slots the higher risk, with maximum 5 slots.

Materia should be little tougher to create/obtain (SP is far too ez). There should be a system where you can try to get a certain tier of materia along with an associated risk, resulting in a loss of materia upon fail.

Slots are Materia dependent? (str slot, dex slot, atk slot etc) - maybe a bit too complicated

Melding materia should be 100%
slot #1 should take only tier I
slot #2 tier II or tier I
slot #3 tier III or II or I
slot #4 tier IV, or III or II or I
slot #5 tier IV, or III or II or I

Currently I don't like how you can lose gear and materia when attempting to meld. I rather put the loss during creation of multiple slotted gear or creation of materia.

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This is a bad idea, at least where the economy is concerned. What you'll end up with is Gear being destroyed but no way for materia to be taken out of the game. So in the end you have these shiny worthless rocks. With the current system both gear and materia taken out of the equation. Not that you won't lose materia during the fusion, but I just don't see it being as effective.

Two things though I think this thread has had in it though that I would enjoy. An ability to make tougher materia through fusing them (with hopefully an associated risk) and the ability for Materia to level once equipped. I think it would be pretty bad-ass to see your weapons grow with you through materia.

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Originally Posted by WolfMoonstrike

This is a bad idea, at least where the economy is concerned. What you'll end up with is Gear being destroyed but no way for materia to be taken out of the game. So in the end you have these shiny worthless rocks. With the current system both gear and materia taken out of the equation. Not that you won't lose materia during the fusion, but I just don't see it being as effective.

Two things though I think this thread has had in it though that I would enjoy. An ability to make tougher materia through fusing them (with hopefully an associated risk) and the ability for Materia to level once equipped. I think it would be pretty bad-ass to see your weapons grow with you through materia.

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Good point, no materia destruction balance...
I just don't like the gear being destroyed with the materia, it's really a pain. I'd like it better if SE could separate the loss of gear and materia and not put it at the single point of melding.

I like the leveling materia idea if some sort of quest line with boss battle or gather keyitems from NMs or something to level the materia up. If its based on xp gained it'll be boring -_-

I suggested they do something like this in another thread. I agree the materia system we have now is a good platform to build on but we could have something much more fun then this RNG type system. I thing the idea of allowing crafters to try and attach a certain number of slots to gear is a very good one.

I also would welcome a system where materia could grow. I would suggest some kind of system that could be similar to achievements except it centered around a "new" adventuring guild tasking you with killing NMs. The harder the NM taken down the more points you get to put toward the materia growth with primal fights or darkhold being the largest rewards. I'm just trying to think of something new contentwise we can add to the game that might not be too much work for the devs. They could add a few new HNM that roam around to spice it up and then have the guild give out daily quests that rotate through a variety of the game's current content. ( I know this is directly based off WoW but maybe someone smarter and more creative then myself can spruce it up even more and make it worthy of the Final Fantasy name.) I thought the monster hunting guild in FFXII was something that would be a good basis for this idea.

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Originally Posted by ninesunz

Good point, no materia destruction balance...
I just don't like the gear being destroyed with the materia, it's really a pain. I'd like it better if SE could separate the loss of gear and materia and not put it at the single point of melding.

I like the leveling materia idea if some sort of quest line with boss battle or gather keyitems from NMs or something to level the materia up. If its based on xp gained it'll be boring -_-

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To tell the truth I would like to see two new types of Materia. Unique materia that give stats you can't get elsewhere or can be melded to atypical slots (the kinds you can only get from HNM's or crafted gear that used HNM mats that you have to spiritbond) and Job/class specific materia that really only has a benefit for a particuler class/job (so stuff like cooldown reduction for a skill or a trait boost).

Of course you'd still need a crafter to get involved, hopefully they would also have melding similar to repairs if they came out with something like this.