[Next Deep Dungeon]what would you like to see in the new one?{sugestions}

alright so lets kick off this thread. It hasnt been released yet so there is always time for change. what would you like to see from the next deep dungeon? what did you like about palace of the dead? should they change PotD? or should it stay as it currently is? please be constructive. who knows if we get enough people to reply to this maybe the developers will look into it. or even reply.

so what i would like to see from the next deep dungeon is:

what do you want, what did you like, what about the old deep dungeon. lets go.

-gear rewards other then just weapons. if they do 200 floors like they did with POTD theres alot of potential for them to give rewards. my segguestion for this is an armor token system. example, floor 10's boss drops boots. you can then turn it in for any classes boots. but its only a chance to drop not a garuntee. but! the higher up in floors you go the higher chance to drop(this would be for more important peices such as chest, pants, and head.)and basically have each 10 floors the boss has a chance to drop the armor token its designated. also as shitty as it sounds, if you make only 1 drop (as in 1 of the 4 people gets it) then you get repeat players. that being said you also end up with salty people with bad luck too. but this would encourage fixed parties.

-weapon reward= i liked how the weapon reward worked for PotD. it made it so you had to play to progress, it also ensure you got a reward. but if you wanted multiple characters to have the reward you had to become atleast somewhat weak again. that being said. id like to see a way to upgrade the weapon past the padjali to kenna weapon setup. maybe something more akin to the relic quest where you gather light and gain a little bit of Ilvl at a time(5-10 ilvl) this would push players to go deeper if you needed to go deeper to get a higher Ilvl weapon. basically at lvl 200 it would be eligible to be its highest ilvl which should be something roughly 5-10 ilvl's lower then the max at time of release for the dungeon. maybe scale it in later patches.(obviously handle paladin the same way its been handled they get a shield with their sword free)

-id like to see something more asian themed weapon/armor wise. not power rangers, not middle east turbans and so on(nothing against them but i dig the samurai look more or ninja's) maybe something more anime oriented. like buso renkin, akame ga kill, so on. some more original armor.

-i loved the kenna weapon. the dark and red look with the dark glow was awesome. i wouldnt mind maybe something where you can choose the glow and then dye the metal?

-i love the randomized layouts of the dungeon. but maybe make 2 different modes? a normal mode similar to how PotD is now is fine. but maybe make a challenge mode, where you face a boss every 5 lvls instead.

-i love pomanders as a whole but i feel like they need to be changed up. get rid of ones noone uses and trim the fat. also maybe add new ones to replace useless ones.(get rid of alteration cause noone likes it. the risk of dealing with mimics is not worth it) maybe make a stackable buff system instead? like stackable strength or stackable fortune so on. the transforming poms are fine but the kuribu sees very little use outside of boss fights. maybe reduce the cast time and have it give a buff to allies or a debuff to enemies similar to lusts dmg debuff. or it if healed while you damage enemies.

-also id like solo players that can progress far on their own should receive atleast slightly better rewards. maybe 5 ilvl's higher even is something. but if you make it more worthwhile more people will want to solo it. and if its only obtainable via solo potd itll give additional incentive to those that are able. even a really badass looking weapon will entice people. you should reward those that are able to play and play well. so if you seperate the group and solo rewards itll also help. also since i stated earlier that you should do increased drop chances as you progress deeper and only 1 token per boss per group should drop then soloing would garuntee you get the only token. and if its more powerful more people will take this route.

-group bonus armor=heres another idea to give additional incentive to people to do the groups. if you reward armor the give bonuses based on your group then people will be very interested in this armor. basically a dmg/healing/defense multiplier based on number of people wearing the armor.(maybe make it work only with the whole armor set since its more likely for a group to complete the deep dungeon then a solo player. another thought is a multiplie that works off a % based on how many pieces of armor are present in the group. like 1 or 2% dmg increase per armor piece in the whole group.

-should PotD change? im not sure about this honestly. PotD has become a popular method for DPS and anyone really to lvl alt jobs from 1-50/60 that being said. floors 1-50 are just a stepping stone. once people have done the first 50 floors once is rare for people to go back again since you can farm 51-60 for easy quick exp. be lvl 60 with all your abilities the whole time. not to mention the aetherpool gains are better at that floor set. so maybe revamp floors 1-50. how exactly.....im not sure. only thing i can think is make lvls fixed per floor set? so 20 for 1-10 35-40 for 11-20 40-50 for 21-30 and 51-60 for 31-40. this would allow people to still learn their job as they play it would just mean their not playing with new abilities on the fly cause they leveled.

-i wouldnt mind seeing a padjali/kenna armor set. based off current color and look schemes(maybe allow dyeing for the padjali atleast) and make it something simple use artifact gear or something for each of the classes.

ill probably add more to this but these are what i could think of initially. what do you guys think. what do you want, what did you like, what about the old deep dungeon. lets go.

one thing i would like to see about PotD changed that's just a minor thing but becomes increasingly annoying. id like for the time to "discover" what loot you have in the sacs was instant rather then a cast time. that or that it would do them all at once if you select it. because that gets really annoying waiting for no reason just to find out its fireworks.

To be honest, I'd rather they just do something cosmetic. Instead of trying to constantly push numbers as the only form of progression, I'd like to see these dungeons offer cosmetic rewards based on how far you can get with a class.

1. More intuitive traps, instead of just getting morphed into a frog, landmine or something, make a teleport trap that transports you back to a higher/lower floor, ex. floor 51 would transport you back to floor 51. Also perhaps physical traps hidden, darts, gas, pit traps, spikes, etc.

2. Better uses of pomades, instead of just strength or defense add to regen, haste, status remover like pox, blind, etc that are not removable by a pot of spell.

3. Better looking style weapons, not have every weapon look identical, the red Kinna weapons currently don't look that great. Allow us to choose a style of what we want color and template.

4. Allow pugs to continue to the next set of floors if they want to, like a premade.

5. Better rewards possibly, nothing like high end savage raid but perhaps a lower ilvl from a normal dungeon (skalla gear for example)

Shouko
i like your ideas. but if we know square they like to follow things they know worked. as for items id be fine with some glam items but i prefer practical items more. also if they follow the same ilvl scheme as they did with PotD itll be the same ilvl as what they intend the next expansion to start at. which was basically the equivalant of alex's 9-12 gear. i would love more greative traps but maybe not a teleport to another floor. but a teleport to a random room.(hopefully not swarmed though like some rooms in POTD are.and i agree on the pom's haste, regen, debuff wiping. so on.

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To be honest, I'd rather they just do something cosmetic. Instead of trying to constantly push numbers as the only form of progression, I'd like to see these dungeons offer cosmetic rewards based on how far you can get with a class.

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i dont mind glam but would also like practical items. potd was a good way to get a weapon that was useable in raids for new lvl 60's and you could continue to use it for a long time. i never replaced my weapon till SB

i want the exp gain removed or directly tied to the amount of monsters you have killed. right now the exp speedrunners and the searching for silver chest people baked together in the same content doesn't work well and leads to toxic sitations. everyone should follow the same goal, when random people are brought together in the same content. and since i think exp should not be the main purpose of such unique content like deep dungeon, the exp is the thing wich have to go. but however, the queue will die out when that happens, so the more monsters you slay and the more areas you explore, the more exp you will get seems like a good compromise.

also bigger areas, more time (60 mins for 10 floors is bit short and you often have to skip rooms and the exploration comes too short) and a more interesting layout in general. make it more like a maze instead of a hallway with some rooms at the side. and some loops and stuff.
and random bosses instead of everytime the same ones. make a pool of 100 bosses and we will see 10 of them for 100 floors, at every 10th floor like now. and give us a 100 bosses mode where we have to fight all of them in succession.

Assuming the core of design is still like PotD in that you face descending or ascending levels of randomly generated tiles.

• No more "rooms" — let the tiles and tilesets merge into each other in a more openly random seeded design that makes each floor seem more unique and cohesive.
• Let certain seeded elements carry over between floors. If there was a stream in the NE corner going off a cliff on a given floor, the floor below it might include a waterfall and continue its path. Some floors may use this to preview deeper floors in some cases.
• Visible, but far from obvious traps, if any at all. Ideally, I'd rather only have environmental mechanics, such as geysers, crushers, tornadoes, or new mechanical additions like mirrors, beams, currents, windways, etc..
• Some areas that allow for inherently satisfying mob grinding through dynamic mechanics around them, with worthwhile rewards (though not necessarily of optimal efficiency for the most parties).
• Maybe some verticality even within a single "floor", hopefully traversible with some new mechanics such as wall-, ladder-, rope-, or vine-climbing if able to be made in a satisfying manner, in addition to the typical stairways, vineways, ramps, or lifts we typically use.

Tint- so i understand where your coming from. exp runners trying to level alts and people farming chests are kinda contradictory. but not as much as you might think. speedrunning youll end up with more chests overall usually. unless your refering to the hoarde chests then yes its a problem. in which case id say solo. but i wouldnt mind the latter idea you had. exp based off what you do in the dungeon. maybe even have chests that give you something you already have turn into EXP instead. or if it worked similar to how the score for a fixed party worked adn you get exp based off your score that would be interesting. making people want to run in groups for exp farms specifically.

as for the timer. i disagree. 60 minutes is plenty of time to clear 10 floors. hell if a single person can solo to floors 180 with that timer a group has no excuse. thats my opinion mind you. as for the 100 boss gauntlet i thought about that but thats alot of work for the dev team and unrealistic. the pool of bosses i kinda like since people would be forced to learn the different bosses not the different floors though.

shurrikhan-so as id like to agree with you on some of these points theres a developer point of view i dont think your thinking of. so the reason POTD has the ability to be random in its floor sets is using an algorithm to make the tiles different. basically it states that select random tile. ensure its connected to another tile. and so on. its very difficult to do a random floor generator. diablo 2 was one of the first games to do one. and it very difficult. but maybe something they could do is an open floor design. where the game selects a random floor tile set. so again as far as floor design you probably need to be a bit more realistic in that area. and keep in mind whats possible. i would refer to elements and floors you've already seen in game so far. that said the only vertical play in game that i can think of is jumpers. geysers that shoot you up or bouncing circles. or teleporters.

shurrikhan- as far as traps are concerned its a dungeon, so id say traps should definitely required. but thats an opinion so. also im not sure how the mirrors would be used....
as for more worthwhile grinding i can understand this. and what i would say is maybe on some floors include visible traps. what i mean by this is the one dungeon that has the pummeling spiked balls drop repeatedly(its a lower lvl dungeon) when you drag mobs under it they get the vulnerability debuff. making damaging them easier. id like to see maybe something like this. or have them stand on lava. so on. id say something like thats more possible. is that what you mean? able to use the enviroment to your advantage kind of thing. maybe even if its a lava mob and its over lava you gotta move it cause it heals it.

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The reason it appeals at the moment is because it's perhaps the only content that DPS don't have trash queues for. What I enjoy is being able to set out my level 70 hotbar without having to level grind to 70 in the first place, so I'd say it's time for a version for level 70.

But how will the devs ensure it doesn't see PotD become a ghost town? Do we even want to keep trying to keep that part current? Should we instead rehash the 101+ floors for levels 60-70?

There's a lot to do. If exp atm is still good, then why improve something that isn't broken?

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I understand both sides of the issue really, silvers need to get silvers to survive more, speed runners don't want to stick around and have a potential wipe.

The whole amount of mobs killed per floor for xp would be abused to the extreme since they never technically stop spawning in the current one. Floors with the faster spawn fog would make it easier.

Random bosses all the time would be interesting but also would get annoying fast.

If you didn't have XP the main focus of it then it would die long ago because it's atrociously boring slogging through the same content for a little bit of reward. Now a forest or some such maze, sort of like what they had in 1.0 for Shroud would be kinda interesting without the XP, but again lack of a good reward system aka XP it'll get tossed aside for other things.

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The reason it appeals at the moment is because it's perhaps the only content that DPS don't have trash queues for. What I enjoy is being able to set out my level 70 hotbar without having to level grind to 70 in the first place, so I'd say it's time for a version for level 70.

But how will the devs ensure it doesn't see PotD become a ghost town? Do we even want to keep trying to keep that part current? Should we instead rehash the 101+ floors for levels 60-70?

There's a lot to do. If exp atm is still good, then why improve something that isn't broken?

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If the main concern is the queue times, it's probably best that each have a clear point of transference, such as 60-70 being entirely the new DD.

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shurrikhan-so as id like to agree with you on some of these points theres a developer point of view i dont think your thinking of. so the reason POTD has the ability to be random in its floor sets is using an algorithm to make the tiles different. basically it states that select random tile. ensure its connected to another tile. and so on. its very difficult to do a random floor generator.

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I'm fully aware that there are development limitations. I'm just saying that if that's again where they draw the line on what they're willing to make possible, I'll avoid the new DD like the plague.

I'd like floor 50, 100 and floor 200 to have mini settlements where we can talk to the dead NPCs and some of them to sell us rare and overprices goodies and have little quests where we fetch them things from the word above so we have reason to keep visiting. :p Totally doesn't fit with how the world works but hey, let me imagine happy things and getting to know characters that barely had any screen time.

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What I enjoy is being able to set out my level 70 hotbar without having to level grind to 70 in the first place, so I'd say it's time for a version for level 70.

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Didn't they change it recently so you could do that?

I'd like to see armor from it..like how our weapon changes, maybe some armor stuff? New traps, new zones, new and different layouts, new monsters exclusive to POTD again.

Either way..as long as they make it hard again like 180~190 is, I'll be happy ^^ Climbing to floor 200 was one of my fav things I ever did in the game.

Make solo'ing possible/doable at higher levels.

Would be cool.