An issue wherein issuing the Engage order would reset squadron members' cooldown time

...this wasnt intentional?

Whelp, squadrons was cool while it lasted.

Of course it wasn't intended, it was clearly an exploit. That didn't stop people from abusing it though, sadly.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Of course it wasn't intended, it was clearly an exploit. That didn't stop people from abusing it though, sadly.

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The problem is people had to resort to this because the AI is terrible. Jobs weren't using their skills. Arcanist is pretty useless.

So they fixed the Engage exploit but left the bad AI in place.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

The problem is people had to resort to this because the AI is terrible. Jobs weren't using their skills. Arcanist is pretty useless.

So they fixed the Engage exploit but left the bad AI in place.

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I've never used the engage spam yet have almost no problems running the dungeons with the squad. The AI seems pretty damn intuitive to me, with tanks running to pick up any mobs I accidentally get enmity on & turning them away from the group for tank busters etc. Definitely more intelligent than a lot of players in my experience.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

I've never used the engage spam yet have almost no problems running the dungeons with the squad. The AI seems pretty damn intuitive to me, with tanks running to pick up any mobs I accidentally get enmity on & turning them away from the group for tank busters etc. Definitely more intelligent than a lot of players in my experience.

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Run a single Wanderer's Palace and fight the last boss. You'll see the terrible AI in full effect.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

The problem is people had to resort to this because the AI is terrible. Jobs weren't using their skills. Arcanist is pretty useless.

So they fixed the Engage exploit but left the bad AI in place.

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Lol people resorted to Engage spamming to melt the bosses faster in a manner not meant to be done, it was a way to power lvl your characters without doing any effort and people on Reddit kept going "no they didn't fix it last patch and people have been saying this for a while"

It clearly was an exploit nothing more.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Run a single Wanderer's Palace and fight the last boss. You'll see the terrible AI in full effect.

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Why would you run Wanderer's Palace in the first place? It has the lowest Tomestone yield of all dungeons ever, and you get better experience from Stone Vigil.

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

Why would you run Wanderer's Palace in the first place? It has the lowest Tomestone yield of all dungeons ever, and you get better experience from Stone Vigil.

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Well, to be fair, it does have a higher tomestone yield than Stone Vigil.

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Originally Posted by Shouko

Lol people resorted to Engage spamming to melt the bosses faster in a manner not meant to be done, it was a way to power lvl your characters

It clearly was an exploit nothing more.

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And it was figured out because people did WP and the squad would go nuts on the adds who couldn't be killed. So they spammed Engage to keep them on the boss. Then one person with an archer realized Archers would spam barrage when that happened.

It's not like players magically knew instinctively that spamming Engage would allow one class to be OP. It didn't work with any other job other than archer.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

And it was figured out because people did WP and the squad would go nuts on the adds who couldn't be killed. So they spammed Engage to keep them on the boss. Then one person with an archer realized Archers would spam barrage when that happened.

It's not like players magically knew instinctively that spamming Engage would allow one class to be OP. It didn't work with any other job other than archer.

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That's literally why I kept pressing it. Keep my squad on the target I wanted them on not some add that can be blatantly ignored.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

And it was figured out because people did WP and the squad would go nuts on the adds who couldn't be killed. So they spammed Engage to keep them on the boss. Then one person with an archer realized Archers would spam barrage when that happened.

It's not like players magically knew instinctively that spamming Engage would allow one class to be OP. It didn't work with any other job other than archer.

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I never claimed it did, but it doesn't change the fact that people abused an exploit for personal gain. I don't really care that they used it, not judging people for doing so but people acted like what they were doing was perfectly fine. No it wasn't just the archer/bard it was any class/job.

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Originally Posted by Shouko

I No it wasn't just the archer/bard it was any class/job.

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No other squadron job behaves the way archer does. By putting barrage up first with no internal CD they effectively tripled their dps output. If it had been farther back on the AI, it would have never been an issue because engage spam would have never got to barrage.

This really isn't difficult to understand.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

No other squadron job behaves the way archer does. By putting barrage up first with no internal CD they effectively tripled their dps output. If it had been farther back on the AI, it would have never been an issue because engage spam would have never got to barrage.

This really isn't difficult to understand.

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Look just because you say it was just barrage and archer doesn't mean that's the case, i've seen other posts on other forums stating otherwise. Back to the main point, is it's an exploit, it doesn't matter how or why, it was using something it it to get through content in a manner in which the devs didn't intend, which is by the very definition an exploit. A lot of games will roll you back for that sort of thing or outright ban you, players got lucky and they just nerfed it which everyone knew was going to happen.

All jobs had their cooldowns reset by spamming Engage. I watched many Twitch streamers doing it & Reddit was discussing it openly.