Daily Post Limits are just entirely stupid. (will edit the actual post in, in a sec)
In this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...hi-P.../page16
I promised someone I would upload a video to help them out.
I know I will probably get reamed for being a "bad" player, and yes... I wasn't playing all that well, due to a combination of lag, unfamiliarity with the dungeon (this was my 2nd run ever), being rusty (I took a month and a half hiatus recently as you can see from me being in the NN), and nervous about being recorded.
But anyways, nobody died in the whole thing.
Here's the videos:
Twitch Version: Temporary, but better quality! : https://www.twitch.tv/videos/202485102##
Youtube Version: (Which sucks far worse, dunno why YT murders video quality so bad): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PDiGX2D0OE
This is mainly to help a (hopefully) former "Healer-Only" get some ideas as to how to weave DPS into their healing.
Now if someone would be kind enough to post over on that other thread to let Missbone know that I was unable to post the video over there, that would be great.
Thanks!
A Video I promised someone.....
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11-19-2017, 10:44 AMMaekaA Video I promised someone.....
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11-19-2017, 11:40 AMPaladinleedsIf you want, I'll see if I can do one on Monday, try and help out. I'm used to it and can do a voiceover to talk about how I approach DPS to give some explanation behind my actions. I wonder if this could become a sort of megathread for videos detailing information on some of the basics. wonder if I could try and brush off my tanking skills and also do a tank one as well as healer. I think you're on to something here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
EDIT: I saw this is in the Healer roles thread. nvm. I'll keep it to the healer stuff. :P
EDIT2: As someone who has 5 years experience of radio presenting under their belt (as well as a few years streaming experience), this won't phase me. Who knows, maybe it could start some guides going? -
11-19-2017, 07:07 PMMissbone
At first thx for video, i will watch it after i ate something. As for the quality i only can imgaine 2 main reasons (i have done this myself in the past), first the video itself whas recorded in a low resolution or second you recorded it in Full hd but converted it later to lower resolution by yourself or it whas done by the website when u uploaded it to twitch. I usualy record my stuff in Full HD with Open Broadcast and use youtube for my uploads and it never converted my videos into a lower resolution, only think i remember is that your videos should be in mp4 format when u upload them to avoid unnecessary problems. ;)
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11-19-2017, 09:27 PMSebazy
Any objections if I put some advice here with regards to that video btw?
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11-20-2017, 12:56 AMSieben79
If someone is unfamilar with a certain dungeon it's ok to play safe.
As you said: no one died and you did damage between healing and that was what you wanted to show :)
It's really fine. I would play more aggressive, but Skalla comes up every day I participate at Expert Roulette since a whole week so I know the dungeon.
You keep your flowers for a very long time. If you cast divine bension more frequently would result in less healing :) -
11-20-2017, 06:52 AMMaeka
FINALLY! I can FINALLY respond... apparently they have the Daily Post Limit reset at 4PM EST for some weird reason... which makes no sense whatsoever.
Yeeeeesh.
Okay, @Sebazy... sure, you can give advice. That was half of the reason of me posting the videos, though I would ask you (and anybody else posting advice) to remember a few things:
1). Keyboard turning. Please don't tell me to go Mouse. I can't. I've tried. Many times.
2). I was not performing at my best, due to a combination of being rusty, being unfamiliar with the dungeon, and having some mild lag.
3). Video quality is rather bad because A). 500kb/sec is best I can do, B). Youtube made the video worse, not sure why.
As long as you remember those two points, I'm fine with any feedback you give!
@Sieben79: Now that you mention it, YES! I now remember the technique I WAS using. lol. Again, month and a half hiatus and this video is only my 2nd dungeon run since my return (notice the Novice Network chat channel being active). What I WAS doing, now that you mention it, was throwing Benison on the tank before each pull. I forgot all about that. Thanks! -
11-20-2017, 09:36 PMTerkhevHope you don't mind if I point some thing out then:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
- You often run with full lilies and don't use Divine Benison. It's ogcd so you can use it pretty much every time it's up. Or at least pop it before pull so you can apply dots in peace.
- Crazy overheal. You often heal too fast. You lose GCD every time dps gets hit for 10% of their hp to top them. If there is no unavoidable damage (for example trash pulls), you don't need to heal them at all. If they keep getting hit, wait for them to fall lower - with their hp your cure II will nearly always max them.
- Swiftcast first holy. It allows you to "cut" into mobs damage so they don't hit tank too much while you cast. That lets you follow with 2nd and 3rd holy while enemies are stunned all the time.
- Don't click on skills. I know, we have 2,5s GCD. But on WHM you have so little skills there is no reason to don't have them all on keyboard. It's faster (more muscle memory reliant) and safer (mouse ready to change target at any time for ogcd heal). People might disagree with me here, but being MMO player for over 13 years, it just hurts my eyes :P -
11-20-2017, 10:02 PMEstelle9lives
Here is a few pieces of advice based on what I've seen of the video:
- You were playing very VERY safe. I understand being rusty/not being used to the content, but you should get used to trusting your Regen/Medica II ticks.
- Personal opinion, but I don't even have Cure I on my bar because I find it's not worth the GCD, for two reasons:
1 - You should never be needing to heal a tank (or anyone for that matter) with Cure I, because the amount of damage it heals while being on the same cast time as Cure II is a very low percentage of their HP pool
2 - Mana is very rarely an issue on WHM
- Make sure to keep your DOTs up at all possible times. Both Aero III and Aero II are individually stronger than Stone IV, so they should take priority.
- Healers are also casters, so minimizing unnecessary movement is important if you want to play optimally. I noticed you move a lot when you don't really need to.
- Still on the subject above, learn to abuse your instant spells even if you're clipping while you're moving - this is to improve your active time during an encounter. For example: refresh Aero II or the tank's Regen before moving - this frees up about 2.5s for you to move while you are still keeping your globals rolling. Always remember that casting something is better than casting nothing.
- Holy is mitigation! A combo like Largesse Regen + Asylum into Aero III > Swift Holy + Presence of Mind > Holy + Thin Air into Holy spam is absolutely devastating on trash mobs AND will keep your tank up for a fairly long time.
- As it has been mentioned before abuse Benison as much as you can. When I need to top the tank off/shift back to healing I usually do Cure II into Regen + Benison, then Cure II until the tank has enough of an HP threshold to survive the rest of the mob pack.
- I personally use Benediction not as an "oh crap" button, but as an "offensive" cooldown to open more windows for DPS. You can let your tank fall pretty low (not TOO low though, Bene delay still kills people!) before using it. Saving it for an emergency ends up being inneficient as it's an incredibly powerful healing CD that goes unused a lot of the time.
Keep in mind the above advice is strictly directed towards optimal play. I still think you did alright in the video and you accomplished your purpose. -
11-21-2017, 03:23 AMMaeka
Thanks for the suggestions!
Some of it was stuff that I had already suspected/knew and I did mention Benison above... having a month and a half hiatus, I simply forgot about the ability altogether, was such a habit of Not using it back in the day, get it, use it a little, take a month and a half hiatus, come back and whoops. Forgot it even exists lol. But yes, did need to do it more hehe.
RE: Overheals: I do realize that sometimes I do throw a bit too much heal, I suppose it is partly nervousness maybe? Or perhaps it's more of an OCD problem, don't like seeing non-full HP meters, kinda feels like I'm not doing my job if people are running around half-dead lol. I was trying to work on that before my hiatus, and will probably work on it more as I start doing more dungeons again.
RE:Swiftcast Holy: I'm... hesitant. I suppose I could try that for Trash pulls, and just save SC for emergencies while fighting bosses, that could work. $5 says first time I try that, somebody's gonna die immediately afterwards lol.
RE:Clicking: Needing to click junk does annoy me, but yet there's enough skills that I find it difficult to put them all where I can get them with the keyboard alone and on the right end of the hotbar, I have this mildly annoying tendency to hit the wrong button (hitting 0 instead of - or some-such) in a pinch situation. When I watched the video again, though I do realize I was clicking things on bar #1, not sure why I was doing that. I don't think I used to do that? Might have just been nervousness or something. Perhaps I just need a few more dungeon runs to get a bit more calmer.
RE:Very Safe: I'm a cautious person by nature, lol. I do agree that sometimes I cautious to a fault, I understand that. You had no idea how much I was squirming near the end of that 2nd boss fight when that one guy dropped to 1500 health, I was like "oh no he's gonna die... gaaah! not while I'm filming!" When the boss died I was like "wow, I dunno how the heck I managed to Not let either of them die" because they kept taking hits.
RE: DoTs: Forgetting buffs/debuffs is something I struggle with, with all jobs not just healing. I don't know why sometimes I just forget about a buff, or debuff... I really like SAM but man do I keep forgetting the two self-buffs... or the debuffs on other DPS jobs... it's something I could definitely improve upon but not sure why I have such trouble keeping track of them. I have short-term memory problems IRL, as I suspect I have sleep apnea, so that could be a part of it.
RE:Movement: Do I unnecessarily move That much? I'll watch the video again... I never realized. That is one of the reasons I click spells sometimes, btw. Forgot to mention that... I can instant-cast spells and move at the same time, as I don't use the mouse for movement so I'm free to click away while I'm moving. That's why sometimes you'll see me running up to the group of mobs while clicking Assize, or running up towards the mobs while throwing a Regen on the tank to move in Holy Range for example.
RE:Benediction: I've been slowly improving on this. Not with Bene, mind you, but other skills. When I first started tanking, I treated Rampart and Convalescence as emergency skills, but over time I've shifted into using them more often, timing it with when I know I'll be taking more damage (early in a trash pull, or when a boss is about to use something that hits hard, etc) rather than waiting until I'm almost dead to drop them lol. It's an old old habit that I need to break; I used to play FFXI and WoW way back during the earlier expansions, where these long cooldown skills were meant to be "oh crap" buttons. The mentality just stuck and it's hard to break away from it. I will likely try to weave Bene into Trash pulls, but on bosses I will likely keep it as an emergency -- I can only throw so much caution to the wind lol.
Overall, thanks for the very civil (and helpful!) suggestions. I was kinda expecting to get reamed for not playing all that well in the video, lol. Rather pleased with the responses I got thusfar! -
11-21-2017, 04:23 AMMisteHonestly you did waaayyy better than what I normally expect from a pug healer in DF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
It is obvious you are trying to do as well as you can and that is all I ask from people. Your DPS might not be super duper high, but that doesn't matter since it is really obvious you were putting in effort and trying to do your best at the time.
Most of the pro healer DPS players simply just want people to try, and not stand around doing nothing for long periods of time for no reason or to not have the healers who purposefully ignore all their DPS abilities on principle even though they could help out and instead they just stand or jump around.
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11-21-2017, 04:50 AMEaMettSince you're on PC it might be interesting to look into setting up timers on ACT for your dots. It'll notify you when your dots fall off.Quote:
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11-21-2017, 05:19 AMMaeka
"Setting up timers on ACT"? I have no idea what that means. Is that some sort of unofficial modding or something (since you said it is controversial)?
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11-21-2017, 05:22 AMTridus
ACT is the parser that PC players can use to get realtime stats.
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11-21-2017, 10:05 AMXiun
I didn't watch the whole video, but one thing that WILL help a lot - keybinds and mouse movement. It's super awkward, but if you want to really improve you have to force yourself (I did it myself many years ago on wow- was rough transition but my play improved 20 fold). Being comfortable with a dungeon definitely helps (knowing when you can let people sit low on health or need to top them for something etc), but you can still play agressive.
I'm no expert healer, or expert WHM (Play ast normally) but I do find I can dps quite a bit in dungeons.
I streamed an expert if you want to see. There is one point a dps dies due to mechanics and where I got a little too greedy on aoe - but you have the tools to overcome hiccups like that. (note - i make lots and lots of mistakes in there, its by no means perfect play but hey, i can try to help)
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11-21-2017, 12:23 PMMaekaAs I said earlier in the thread, I cannot do mouse movement. I have tried many times, and I fumble like crazy every time I try, I even tried to force myself to do it over the course of a week, and I even spent nearly $200 in gaming mice and other accessories that people say helped them... nope. Just can't do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiun
I think the problem is, is that my first MMORPG was Final Fantasy XI which I played for _years_. FFXI does not encourage mouse usage at all, everything is done with the keyboard. I mean, Everything. I eventually went to WoW and a couple WoW-Clones, but for the most part, keyboard movement was perfectly fine, if you perfected the use of simultaneously strafing and turning at the same time to dodge AoEs, turn corners, etc.
Well, it's been ingrained so deeply into my subconscious that I can't seem to change it. It's like hard-wired by this point and anything else just causes mass confusion, distractions, entire seconds where I sit there staring at the screen going "uh, what was I supposed to do now...?" while stuff is going on. I just... it won't work.
As far as keybinds, I already use keybinds, mostly. Again as previously said in the thread, for some reason I'm having trouble with the last 3-4 buttons on the hotkey bar (9 through =) where I keep hitting the wrong key for some weird reason when things get hectic. That, and I really need to re-bind the keys... especially now that I've been playing WoW again (just came back from a hiatus there too). WoW uses Shift+ while FFXIV uses Ctrl+ for the 2nd hotbar. I think if I re-bind the 2nd hotbar as shift+ I will probably do better and I plan on doing that. Just hadn't gotten around to it yet.
But I do thank you for the suggestions, and I thank you for being civil with the mouse-movement suggestion, even though I specifically said in the thread I can't do it. hehe. No hard feelings, though, because you were civil and respectful about it. I've met far too many people who were very rude and condescending when it came to Keyboard Turning vs Mouse Movement, so it is refreshing to meet people who don't treat me like I'm utter trash because I don't use the mouse for movement.
EDIT: Eh, when I say I "can't" do mouse-movement, I can't in combat. I can do limited mouse movement when I'm not in combat (such as swimming or flying), or I'm fighting easy stuff that takes almost zero concentration. But anytime things get hectic, I start fumbling all over myself. I understand *how* to do mouse-movement, it's just... I don't know, something just goes very wrong anytime I try to concentrate on something else simultaneously. -
11-21-2017, 12:30 PMMisteHave you maybe thought of trying out controller?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
I am a PC user but I use a controller for FFXIV and I do well enough, but it may take a bit of practice. For me personally, in FFXI and FFXIV, controller just seemed to come more naturally to me, but I am not sure if you have tried it or what your thoughts are on it. -
11-21-2017, 12:35 PMMaekaWell, I do have a 360 controller... but I don't really... uh? understand? how you would do some of the game's functions with a controller... I mean, to take a quest off of an NPC, you'd have to essentially tab-target the NPC just to talk to them (kinda like FFXI), or if you want to move items around in your inventory, how does that work?Quote:
Originally Posted by Miste
And then hotbars... Dear Lord, I've got at least what, 20+ hotbar buttons? A controller only has what again, 4 shoulder buttons, and 4 face buttons?
I could try a controller I suppose, I don't know how well that would actually work. At least, I assume a 360 controller would work with XIV? I know they designed the game for a PS3/PS4 controller, but dunno about a 360.
EDIT: I used a 360 controller for FFXI a long time ago when I had an actual 360 with FFXI installed... it felt OK? But then FFXI is a much slower game. What I didn't like, however, was having to use the On-screen Keyboard... eew. Terrible memories of that. Wound up plugging a USB keyboard into the system, though that was back when I was in the gaming room. I suppose here, in my bedroom, I'm sitting at a desk, I could easily set the controller down to use the keyboard if I had to, to talk to somebody or something.
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11-21-2017, 01:04 PMMisteI personally use a PS3 or PS4 controller. If you press X while being close to and infront of an NPC it auto targets them then you just press X again to talk to them and to accept the quest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
For moving items in the inventory you would press Start (PS3 controller) or Options (PS4 controller) then go to Inventory open it up and then use d-pad to highlight an item and press X to pick it up then d-pad to move it to a new slot and press X again to set it down.
There are a lot of nuances to learning controller so it would take some practice for sure.
Cross hot bar is definitely very different from keyboard and mouse setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
You have multiple sets you can scroll through but you have to remember where your buttons are, the game is in maintenance atm so I can't take screenshots right now...but I can try to explain.
The basic setup is you have two shoulder buttons R2 and L2 that you hold down in order to access a combination of 8 buttons each. So 16 total for one cross hot bar.
There are expanded options that add more functions, but it gets complicated to use, personally the only expanded option I use is the double hold which is you hold R2 and L2 together to add another 8-16 buttons.
You can actively switch to up to 8 cross hot bars during combat though so it is possible to make use of a lot of buttons, but it generally gets very confusing if you go beyond using 2-3 in my opinion anyway.
If you are curious to see crosshot bar setup you can check my youtube, it might be hard to notice but I use a healing bar and a mirrored healing bar with slight changes (certain spells/abilities are replaced with my DPS spells) to make it easier to DPS while also having heals still there incase. I also use the double hold often, but it may be hard to see because I do it so quickly. It has things like my Earthly Star, Minor Arcana, Redraw, etc.
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11-21-2017, 01:07 PMMaeka
If you want, sure!
Also, what about targeting party members? If I'm going to WHM... I need to know how to target people lol. I think I understand what you mean about the cross hotbars, I have seen Youtube videos of controller people playing, but I couldn't get exactly what they were doing, but now that you give an explanation I think I know what you mean.
I'm sure with some memorization, and careful planning of hotkeys, tucking rarely used keys on the harder to get to bars, etc... shouldn't be too difficult? -
11-21-2017, 01:15 PMMisteSure I'll post it tomorrow morning if I have a quick moment to do so just as an example. I don't suggest you copy me unless you try it and find out it works for you as well. Most people generally need to find what works for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
For controller targeting the party you use the down and up d-pad to cycle through the members, it can take practice to get used to that and to get quick at it.
It does take some memorization and yes choosing what cross bar locations work the best for you. I personally try to keep some kind of similarity for placement throughout all jobs to make it easier, for example, my Asylum for WHM is in the same spot as my Collective Unconscious for AST and Sacred Soil for SCH. Since all of those are bubbles for healing/mitigation. Same with Cure/Cure II and Benefic/Benefic II and Physick/Adlo I keep the same spots for those spells on WHM, AST, and SCH. But in general it is also about remembering what is where on each job and muscle memory kicks in after awhile. -
11-21-2017, 01:21 PMMaeka
Yeah, similar things in similar places is something I do to, such as that shield throw, and that ranged magic attack on DRK are both on #6, Flash and Unleash are both on #5, etc.
I'll have to plug my 360 controller in and give it a whirl then. Obviously not an Expert Dungeon right away haha.
This would be awesome if it actually felt nice and comfortable... and in some ways might even be better than fumbling around trying to click and keybind at the same time lol.
Never even thought about trying the controller... thanks for reminding me that even exists. *grins* -
11-21-2017, 01:35 PMMisteYou're welcome xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
I am not sure about 360 controller, but I honestly love PS3/4 controllers for this game and I honestly don't know where I'd be without them. They are comfortable and makes it easy to relax and play in my opinion. -
11-21-2017, 09:13 PMTerkhev
+1 to controller. I'm healing on SCH with xbox one controller and it's really nice. I have 47 skills there (including mount and pet commands) that I use regularly and all of them are equally easily accessible - unlike on keyboard, where you have better and worse keys.
The only thing that is a problem, is targetting allies outside of your party. I learned fluid changing between friends and enemies target filter and always have /tt macro ready to target tank in FATEs. It's also a bit clunky to use alliance raid frames, but you don't need them that often. -
11-21-2017, 10:08 PMTridusYou can also use a mouse like this if you want more buttons: https://www.logitechg.com/en-ca/prod...o-gaming-mouseQuote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
Out of the box you can hit every button on Hotbars 1 & 2 just from the mouse, with your thumb and one finger. If you tweak it, you could get two more on there pretty easily. I also bound Sprint to a dedicated button because I hit that constantly. That's what I use because I can't reliably hit those right side buttons either. :)
There's a bit of a readjustment to get used to where all the buttons are, but it's probably less than a controller. I do find it a lot better if I want to use a keyboard (which I do), because I still have a hand on the keyboard which isn't the case with a controller. -
11-21-2017, 11:57 PMMaeka
I have a mouse very similar to that. When I said earlier I spent $200 on stuff to try and learn mouse movement, one of those things was a Razer Naga which looks almost exactly the same as the mouse you just linked.
But, being an older guy, the buttons are far too small for my decently-sized thumb and I end up hitting 2 buttons at once rather often and it's difficult to curl my thumb enough to hit the bottom-most row of buttons. It's just awkward.
It seems they make most mice nowadays for 12 year olds and young adult women or something lol. -
11-22-2017, 02:56 AMEaMettI had similar issues when I started with mine but every time I thought my hands were just not a fit for it I reminded myself that some people play the guitar with their feet and some others do card sleight of hand with two stumps for hands. Suddenly my fingers feel pretty darn nimble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
You eventually get used to it. Your mileage may however vary. It took me a couple of weeks to get better at not fat fingering everything. And a couple more weeks to get it down properly. I hit the hard to reach buttons without any discomfort anymore as well. Practice makes perfect.
PS: I had to drop dpsing a fair amount while I was getting used to the mouse because I would just end up hitting all the wrong stuff from utter confusion as soon as something went slightly lopsided lol. -
11-22-2017, 03:38 AMMiste
Here is my WHM cross hot bar for an example.
This is the Healing/Buff bar, so I use this during heavily healing and when I need all of those abilities.
https://i.imgur.com/4SyA7ID.png?1
This is the mirrored bar with DPS spells replacing certain abilities for when I can weave in DPS etc, but it also has Heals on it incase I need to quickly heal before swapping back to the Healing/Buff bar. Fluid Aura really doesn't need to be there anymore, but I just never bothered removing it, it's somewhat helpful in dungeons if tanks leave mobs beating on my face D:
https://i.imgur.com/JCi2bjZ.png?1
This is my cross hot bar #8 which is used for the expanded double hold options. It is a mirror on each side because the options are holding R2 then L2 at same time or using L2 first then holding R2 so it can expand up to 16 extra buttons, but I find it is too hard for me to remember where things were personally when I tried to use all 16 and I am fine with the extra 8 only instead of 16.
https://i.imgur.com/oxANomO.png?1
Here is the setting in config so it might kind of help explain what I mean. As you can see there is another expanded option as well but I don't use it personally.
https://i.imgur.com/BGBb0J3.png?1
And here is what the double hold R2+L2 looks like when you hold it to choose what you want to use.
https://i.imgur.com/Ed284DO.png?1
As for the extra hotbar in the bottom right those abilities are the ones on the double hold so I can see their cooldown timers and the other stuff is just stuff I don't use much so I might click it instead of trying to have space on my bar for it.
AST is a bit more complicated because they have more buttons, but WHM doesn't suffer from too much ability bloat so I manage quite well. -
11-22-2017, 04:20 AMTridusAh, that's too bad. Guess I'm blessed with dainty fingers. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
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11-22-2017, 11:24 AMMaeka
@Miste: Ahh, I see. Looks fairly reasonable. Similar abilities grouped together and what-not. Definitely will have to give that a try and see what it feels like when I get some actual time off work lol.
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11-22-2017, 11:48 PMMaeka
So I tried it a bit, and it has serious potential, though my biggest problem is trying to switch between enemies and group members.
I know *how* to, and I get the concept of hard target vs soft target, the problem is... most tanks will just go YOLO! and run off and grab a huge pack of mobs; no sooner do I hard-target an enemy till the tank needs healed... again.
Or if I hard-target the tank, I have to soft-target every single time I want to cast an offensive spell, which means I get 1 or 2 spells off during the whole fight because I'm finding it hard to get any time to target.
I wish the game would let you specify two hard-targets -- one enemy and one ally and hotbar buttons should be intelligent enough to know if their recipient is an enemy or an ally. I can't think of any spells that you could cast on either, it's always one or the other. That would make things so much easier with this. -
11-23-2017, 02:58 AMNaria
Set assist target to R3 or L3. Target the tank, hit R3 and you will target whatever they are targeting. Hitting R3 on a mob will target whoever they are targeting, which is usually the tank. You can also create a macro that will switch your target to your focus target and then focus target the tank or a boss depending on the situation.
Some ppl use <tt> macros to cast a dps spell on a target's target. This is a dps loss since you can't queue spells, but that is not going to matter outside of Savage. It may be a good crutch to use until you get used to targeting with a controller.