Pure Healer could be a bit more interesting...

I have been wondering if there were clever ways to "Heal" that would provide more impactful options and as such I thought it would be neat to alter WHM abilities as listed below.

Asylum
Ability LV 52
180 Sec Recast
12 Sec Duration
Create a Divine Veil of Protection that increases spell based healing received on all party members within its effect by 10 percent and most enemy attacks will be unable to reduce party member's HP below 1.

Riptide
Ability LV 66
120 Sec Recast
10 Sec Duration
15 Yalm radius
Summon a ground swell of holy water that draws in all nearby party members to your immediate vicinity. Party members within this area are immune to all knock back and draw in effects and will have incoming healing increased by 10 percent. Effect ends upon movement.

Additional Effect:
Enemies within this effect will become Waterlogged causing slow and heavy for 10 seconds.

Plenary Indulgence
Ability LV 70
90 Sec Recast
25 Yalm Radius
Any party member currently under the effect of Medica II cast by you will have the status converted to Medica III.

Medica III
Regen Potency 150
24 Sec Duration
Effect can be stacked with Medica II

Secret of the Lilies
Trait LV 52
All Cure Spells proc one Lily for cool down reduction. Cure III being included is the only change.

Protective Nature
Trait LV 68
All Cure Spells have a 5% chance to apply Divine Benison to party members. If party member's health is below 50% or Cure Spell Crits the chance to apply Divine Benison is increased.

Asylum and Riptide are now both indirect ways to increase group DPS by allowing a WHM to help the group bypass certain mechanics if used correctly.

Rip Tide replaces Divine Benison as a direct action and allows a WHM to force a party to group correctly for stacking mechanics or help avoid movement mechanics that would be fatal while giving their co-healer a healing boost that also plays well with Regen, Medica 2 and 3 but at the risk of pulling players from sensitive positions like BLM and Melee DPS

Asylum is an emergency button when everything hits the fan ensuring newly revived allies and battered tanks survive long enough to get healed. It synergizes well with riptide increasing healing and preventing death.

Making Divine Benison RNG means WHM has no reliable shield but Cure 3 can now place it on multiple targets at once and it can be proc'd outside of battle too which I think is a nice trade. The strength of Asylum and Riptide to increase healing and prevent death seem to warrant losing a sure single target shield in my opinion especially since shielding is a territory that WHM shouldn't be relied on considering the other healers.

I love these kind of threads, and generally I do think you have stuff here that would make WHM a lot more interesting. Asylum however would be the most broken move in the game, so I'm not too sure about the 1hp part. Even with a 30m CD making it usable once per fight, it'd still be way too OP.

Riptide is a very interesting move. Personally I would like that in the game, but I can imagine more healers would use it to a detrimental effect rather than what you've designed it for. Plenary seems like a great change, but you need something for Medica and Cure III. I say Cure III because I think it would be better for that to not generate Lillies and to allow Stone or Aero spells generate them.

I'll echo that I don't think WHM needs any buffs right now, but actually these changes seem more like something to make the job even more fun.

I will freely admit my version of Asylum is incredibly powerful and a longer cool down wouldn't deter me at all. I also considered this:

Bathed in Blinding Divine Light enemy attacks on party members are now 50% more likely to miss.

The ridiculousness of ensuring the whole party survives no matter the mechanic is just so dreamy though.

The new Asylum and Plenary Indulgence would be cool (but I would prefer it's new spells, not rework).

Asylum would be nice and balance (compared to Living Dead) if at least :
Recast time => 6 min
Duration =< 10 sec
Aditionnal Effect : Cost MP = 50% or even more

Reason : it's better than LB 3 Tank (even if Asylum could not work against some big attack).

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

Bathed in Blinding Divine Light enemy attacks on party members are now 50% more likely to miss.

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It's not very interesting.
You can't really plan who is gonna take damages or not.
Plus, I already hear the WHM complaints : "No more RNG !"

I think big CDs should never ever be RNG. You pop them when things go south or difficult phases are coming and you need them to be reliable above all else. Flat heal increase, dmg reduce etc. but not a chance for something.
RNG is something you can add to frequently used skills without cd to add a nice bonus without making the proc mandatory.
Some guaranteed life saver would be nice though.
Keeping freshly raised people from instantly biting the dust again or saving the raid from being grilled by raid wide dmg if the healers couldn't keep up. I'm always a bit reluctant about skills that enable you to ignore mechanics because it usually leads to classes being mandatory simply for one or two skills. So it should come at a really high cost to have you own personal LB.
And maybe not as a rework of Asylum but as a seperate skill. I still think Asylum could need some work, it feels rather boring right now.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

Asylum and Riptide are now both indirect ways to increase group DPS by allowing a WHM to help the group bypass certain mechanics if used correctly.

Rip Tide replaces Divine Benison as a direct action and allows a WHM to force a party to group correctly for stacking mechanics or help avoid movement mechanics that would be fatal while giving their co-healer a healing boost that also plays well with Regen, Medica 2 and 3 but at the risk of pulling players from sensitive positions like BLM and Melee DPS

Asylum is an emergency button when everything hits the fan ensuring newly revived allies and battered tanks survive long enough to get healed. It synergizes well with riptide increasing healing and preventing death

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So in other words you want "White Mage" to be renamed to "Game Shark" since they are able to just cheat code people through mechanics so the groups don't have to actually learn them to clear the fight.

Imagine that you can just Asylum on Black Holes in O4S ExDeath and completely ignore the mechanic, sweet deal. Then you can just use Riptide to completely ignore vacuum wave too. Pesky GCO in Neo ExDeath? Naw, just have the allagan fields jump off and everyone can just chill in Asylum and wait till all the death lasers are over then just raise the two dead people and act like nothing important happened. What mechanics, right?

I mean bring two WHM's to that fight and you don't have to actually learn any of the mechanics that make that fight difficult and in what is supposed to be the hardest fight this tier minus Ultimate. Let's not even get started on what it could cheat code through in Ultimate as well.

I disagree with your ideas, they are really bad ideas.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

I will freely admit my version of Asylum is incredibly powerful and a longer cool down wouldn't deter me at all. I also considered this:

Bathed in Blinding Divine Light enemy attacks on party members are now 50% more likely to miss.

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We already have Holy, which makes enemy attacks on party members 100% likely not to be executed.

As for Riptide, it's a cool idea, but party members would absolutely hate being forcibly moved at any time except possibly during a boss invuln phase. Even if used for standard stacking mechanics, you are potentially screwing melee out of those last-second positionals.

I like that you are making suggestions, but I'm not sure that WHM needs more of all of that. The only things healing-wise I can think of that I might like to see exclusively for WHM are a Balance Life spell to redistribute party HP percentages and possibly a Re-raise or Blessed Resurrection ability to cement WHM's status as the chief corpse-fluffer.

Any invulnerability or death-immunity skills would have to be carefully tuned, especially considering that such abilities are the province of tank Jobs in this game. I imagine a drawback such as putting the recipient Out of Action while the effect lasts, or at least making it break upon any action taken.

Nice ideas, but I don't think they would mesh into the game very well. Riptide has the potential to be a huge troll/inconvenient skill, e.g. screwing up someone's DPS rotation. It would be nice if they change fluid aura into an 80 potency oGCD whirlpool that pulls enemies into the center.

Asylum is fine, though it would be nice if it got a small radius buff depending on how many lilies you used when cast. This would augment their "pure healer" niche without taking away the other healer's.

as a WHM main...i think a lot of this is unnecessary...

Though...Medica 3 looks tempting.

like Miste said: these new "changes" would negate a lot of mechanics that raiders put time into learning to squeeze through, i don't think that's very fair and they would literally make WHM a broken class, more so than AST was in the latter half of 3.X.

This is a trend that I can't help but love. The "I don't like this flaw of my job so here's this insane and overpowered idea that would put my job in the spotlight and destroy the job balance in the proccess."

That being said i do like the idea if PI being a cooldown to hypercharge a medica II hot. But I don't like your idea behind Riptide, while the idea of being able to put knockback immunities on people is a good idea, Riptide is a poor way to implement it in my opinion.

I feel whm should be make more like to the holy priest in WOW

and maybe a skill like guardian spirit could fit into the role of whm.

http://media-azeroth.cursecdn.com/wo...dianspirit.jpgCalls upon a guardian spirit to watch over the friendly target for 10 sec, increasing healing received by 40% and preventing the target from dying by sacrificing itself. This sacrifice terminates the effect and heals the target for 40% of maximum health. Castable while stunned.

They both have powerful aoe heals and their main traits are both cd reductions for powerful cd heals(Holy Priests for the unaware have a trait called "Serendipity" that causes their main heals to directly reduce the cooldowns of corresponding "Holy Word" spells, it would be like if everytime you cast Cure you reduce the cooldown of Tetragrammoton or casting Medica reduces the cooldown of Assize) so it works for me.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

Asylum and Riptide are now both indirect ways to increase group DPS by allowing a WHM to help the group bypass certain mechanics if used correctly.

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I would consider this cheating and imo asylum would be far to strong. Miste* said it very well and for me personally healing wouldn't be fun with such op skills to use. No offense, but i am glad developers don't listen to every feedback.


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Originally Posted by Miste

I mean bring two WHM's to that fight and you don't have to actually learn any of the mechanics that make that fight difficult and in what is supposed to be the hardest fight this tier minus Ultimate. Let's not even get started on what it could cheat code through in Ultimate as well.

I disagree with your ideas, they are really bad ideas.

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