How to kill house flippers easy

I'm not sure why Se has not done this is so simple...

1- Personal houses, When the land is relinquished. the plot dose not go back up for sale. Instead a timer starts at a random time between 1 -7days the plot then pops up forsale ..

Since the seller can NOT guarantee the buyer the plot..there will be no buyers for the seller to sell to.

2- FC's you may only lead or create 1 fc every 60 days per account.

Make this so even if theres 2 members in the fc and the 2nd one ran a fc 2 weeks ago if the leader leaves the fc gets destroyed and not put in the hands of someone who has ran a fc..This would only effect flippers trying to bypass the system.Since normaly there will be more then 2 ppl or the 2nd person wouldn't of ran a fc within the time

with Fc's you have to make it per account of they just will sell one and make another on a alt. or if its 1 per server sellers will just flip servers..so has to be per account

And flippers are a thing of the past

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

1- Personal houses, When the land is relinquished. the plot dose not go back up for sale. Instead a timer starts at a random time between 1 -7days the plot then pops up forsale ..

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It also stops you from being able to convert a personal house into an FC house or from gifting a house to another player (when you transfer to move (previously demolish), they can no longer grab it when it's available).

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

It also stops you from being able to convert a personal house into an FC house or from gifting a house to another player (when you transfer to move (previously demolish), they can no longer grab it when it's available).

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The bold i always thought should be a option in the housing menu its self..a one time option to turn a personal into a fc.......not the other way around. As for gifting to friends guess they have to wait the timer out and thank the greedy house flippers

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

The bold i always thought should be a option in the housing menu its self..a one time option to turn a personal into a fc.......not the other way around. As for gifting to friends guess they have to wait the timer out and thank the greedy house flippers

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I would suggest the option to convert your house to FC house or gift it to your friend, with a counter.

How many players give their house to a friend, buy another one and give it away to a second friend? I say if you do this more than twice in 3 months and it might be worth looking into.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

I'm not sure why Se has not done this is so simple...

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They should abolish the Market Board while they're at it. It makes me so angry when supply and demand meet. Buyer getting something they want, seller getting compensation for it, it's just so Orwellian.

Even simpler... just stop letting people relinquish land except for autodemolition... nobody will give that much Gil for a house and then have to wait 45 days and hope they will be online when it goes live for sale... choke off the demand side and supply will crash quickly after

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

Even simpler... just stop letting people relinquish land except for autodemolition... nobody will give that much Gil for a house and then have to wait 45 days and hope they will be online when it goes live for sale... choke off the demand side and supply will crash quickly after

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There are a few issues with this. Such as server transfers. You want them to be able to relinquish their house.

How about, when a house is relinquished and bought both players in question have thier gil transactions for the past X amount of time looked into. If a large amount is transferred from the new owner to the old owner by any means then both accounts are temp banned, new owner loses the house, and old owner loses all the new gil. In other words. the GMs could ACTUALLY do their jobs by upholding the ToS and there is a gil sink that is worth a damn.

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

Even simpler... just stop letting people relinquish land except for autodemolition... nobody will give that much Gil for a house and then have to wait 45 days and hope they will be online when it goes live for sale... choke off the demand side and supply will crash quickly after

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When I let my first mansion reclaim because I wanted to change wards I happened to see someone in pf who was looking for a mansion in that ward for their fc. I sent them a tell with the date the reclaim was supposed to happen, put them on my friends list then kept them up to date with exact time and date the reclaim was supposed to release my house. They waited 5 weeks but was able to be standing in front of my house when it went open and got it without having to pay anything other than the actual cost.

People will wait and if your going to let reclaim do its thing, but not at a cost. and the nice to do is offer it to someone who needs it instead of letting a flipper watching the wards get it.

Just be sure to at least say thanks, something I never got and it felt like a big middle finger.

Regardless, I will do the same thing again if I ever let a house reclaim.

Important Edit: One final thing. Took me 8 months to find a mansion in Mist after mine reclaimed. Since I would not pay flippers I had to wait until I one reclaimed. Small and Med houses, however, reclaimed regularly with at least 1 small a day and 1 med a week on average. So if you want a small-med house my suggestion is to camp the ward you want instead of paying flippers. They reclaim at the top of the hour but you need to be quick because the flippers are racing to get them too. But the more people who just camp wards instead of paying flippers the less the flippers will have to resell.

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Originally Posted by Septonyte

How about, when a house is relinquished and bought both players in question have thier gil transactions for the past X amount of time looked into. If a large amount is transferred from the new owner to the old owner by any means then both accounts are temp banned, new owner loses the house, and old owner loses all the new gil. In other words. the GMs could ACTUALLY do their jobs by upholding the ToS and there is a gil sink that is worth a damn.

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I really think they should have a Gm assined to the reddit post lol follow each house listed if the house switchs owners check gil transactions n ban both..just like the 1.1 billion for the plot 30. pera bann sellers temp ban buyers

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

Even simpler... just stop letting people relinquish land except for autodemolition... nobody will give that much Gil for a house and then have to wait 45 days and hope they will be online when it goes live for sale... choke off the demand side and supply will crash quickly after

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The problem with this as Kerdwyn said people transfer...and as MicahZerrshia people waill wait, it will just prolong flippers holding propertys for 45 days

The main problem I see with this is that many sellers aren't actually trying to flip the house, they're just trying to get back what they put into it. A system that allows players to sell the house through the game at the price they initially paid, while not just relinquishing the land but actually transferring it to the buyer, would at least help by eliminating situations where an honest player pays 5m for a relinquish and then has to pay 5 more for the actual land essentially doubling what they'd need to charge or forcing them to take a cut if they want to sell later. The recent transfer system has done away with a lot of the necessity of selling a house though, but imo, eliminating house selling entirely would still hurt more than just the flippers.

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Originally Posted by Big_Panda

I would suggest the option to convert your house to FC house or gift it to your friend, with a counter.

How many players give their house to a friend, buy another one and give it away to a second friend? I say if you do this more than twice in 3 months and it might be worth looking into.

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I am always online (lol) so when the timer is activated and I am looking for houses on the hour? I've definitely given friends houses about twice in the span of three months. I got in for Shirogane and gave that small house to my good friend for his birthday, too.

Not everyone is flipping!


On the other hand though it's very difficult to think of a solution that won't punish regular folks, or can't just be worked around with moving an FC.

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Originally Posted by Acilith

On the other hand though it's very difficult to think of a solution that won't punish regular folks, or can't just be worked around with moving an FC.

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Not really. The server population is capped at a maximum, so a viable solution for both player and developer could be having the game engine spawn another ward when all current wards are full. This is a solution that does not punish "regular folk" and addresses the housing shortage in a manner that is detrimental to the housing gray market.

But it won't completely solve the problem, as there will still be a handful of people adamant about purchasing whatever they like, wherever they wish, whenever they choose. I leave it to the community at large to decide if that particular facet is worth addressing, as I don't feel that it is.

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

The main problem I see with this is that many sellers aren't actually trying to flip the house, they're just trying to get back what they put into it. A system that allows players to sell the house through the game at the price they initially paid, while not just relinquishing the land but actually transferring it to the buyer, would at least help by eliminating situations where an honest player pays 5m for a relinquish and then has to pay 5 more for the actual land essentially doubling what they'd need to charge or forcing them to take a cut if they want to sell later. The recent transfer system has done away with a lot of the necessity of selling a house though, but imo, eliminating house selling entirely would still hurt more than just the flippers.

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This is house flipping. By offsetting your extra costs onto someone else you ensure the cycle continues. We need to find ways to end this, not perpetuate it. Nobody should have to pay more than basic plot price for a home.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

This is house flipping. By offsetting your extra costs onto someone else you ensure the cycle continues. We need to find ways to end this, not perpetuate it. Nobody should have to pay more than basic plot price for a home.

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This is not house flipping. The only way it's flipping is :

1. The plot is intentionally bought for resale.
2. You profit.

Many GM's have even stated that what they really only care about is when people intentionally buy plots to raise the price right after, and on top of that sell for a superrr inflated price.

Keridwyn is on every housing thread accusing anyone of ever upgrading a house or selling a house a flipper.

Sakuraluna, you are 100% right, this isn't flipping. Flipping involves profit and resale intent from the get go.

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Originally Posted by Abelfei

This is not house flipping. The only way it's flipping is :

1. The plot is intentionally bought for resale.
2. You profit.

Many GM's have even stated that what they really only care about is when people intentionally buy plots to raise the price right after, and on top of that sell for a superrr inflated price.

Keridwyn is on every housing thread accusing anyone of ever upgrading a house or selling a house a flipper.

Sakuraluna, you are 100% right, this isn't flipping. Flipping involves profit and resale intent from the get go.

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Sir, I have brought this up on two threads, hardly every, because no matter how you shake it is.

Let's say someone wants a full recoup of 21mil on their med. The next would need 42mil for a full recoup. The one after that, 63mil. Eventually you are selling at the same price as a flipper, you have become the flipper no matter if the initial intent was profit or just 'breaking even'.

Plenty of us just let the houses go, we don't look to bill the next guy for our spent gil. You can find examples of this all over this forum. You want money back for your house, the demo timer gives 80%.

I can understand wanting to break even but most of us are here looking for solutions to the problem, not ways to justify the overblown prices. This isn't a TOS matter, just a sheer numbers game. Besides, GM enforcement of player to player sales and rules is notoriously lax and up to each GM.

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Originally Posted by Abelfei

This is not house flipping. The only way it's flipping is :

1. The plot is intentionally bought for resale.
2. You profit.

Many GM's have even stated that what they really only care about is when people intentionally buy plots to raise the price right after, and on top of that sell for a superrr inflated price.

Keridwyn is on every housing thread accusing anyone of ever upgrading a house or selling a house a flipper.

Sakuraluna, you are 100% right, this isn't flipping. Flipping involves profit and resale intent from the get go.

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Easy fix you add in a option that kicks in 45 days after you buy a house.after 45 days you have 3 options......

1- release plot it goes on a random timer

2- Transfer ownership of plot to a tennant with a price option that goes no higher then the price you paid for the plot
*anyone useing this option will have there gil transactions looked into to ensure no more gil traded handes between seller nbuyer)

3- dont enter your house for 45 days get 80% back but it goes on a random timer

Then you have the option of helping friends with out profiting from the sale. No one should have a problem with them checking your gil transactions unless your involed in profiting from the sale of houses or buying ftom rmt

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

Sir, I have brought this up on two threads, hardly every, because no matter how you shake it is.

Let's say someone wants a full recoup of 21mil on their med. The next would need 42mil for a full recoup. The one after that, 63mil. Eventually you are selling at the same price as a flipper, you have become the flipper no matter if the initial intent was profit or just 'breaking even'.

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Flipping requires 2 things.
1. Intent to sell right from the start of purchase.
2. Profit

It's that easy.

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Originally Posted by Abelfei

Flipping requires 2 things.
1. Intent to sell right from the start of purchase.
2. Profit

It's that easy.

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And profit is easy to figure out each plot has a sign that tells the value of a house.at max price anyone selling a house for more then S-4mil M-20mil L-50m is profitting and needs banned.. they are flippers... the value of the houses are assigned on the plaque

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Originally Posted by Abelfei

Flipping requires 2 things.
1. Intent to sell right from the start of purchase.
2. Profit

It's that easy.

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Nothing in life is that simple. You believe it's alright to charge any price as long as it's not more than what you paid. I believe that's wrong and the system needs to be fixed to stop it.

The rest of that original post, just fine. Cap the price at the full cost of the plot and allow direct sales, I can get behind that.

Charging an extra 200mil because that's what you paid the last guy? Not okay.

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Originally Posted by Calteru

Not really. The server population is capped at a maximum, so a viable solution for both player and developer could be having the game engine spawn another ward when all current wards are full. This is a solution that does not punish "regular folk" and addresses the housing shortage in a manner that is detrimental to the housing gray market.

But it won't completely solve the problem, as there will still be a handful of people adamant about purchasing whatever they like, wherever they wish, whenever they choose. I leave it to the community at large to decide if that particular facet is worth addressing, as I don't feel that it is.

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That just doesn't seem possible though. If it were, wouldn't they have already done it? And that would certainly bring up the issue of there being not enough medium/large houses.. It doesn't seem viable.

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Originally Posted by Acilith

That just doesn't seem possible though. If it were, wouldn't they have already done it? And that would certainly bring up the issue of there being not enough medium/large houses.. It doesn't seem viable.

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Look, I gave up on trying to find perfect solutions a long, long, LONG time ago.The only way to make sure everyone has a large is to only have large houses. No smalls, no mediums. I kinda like the fact that not everything is cookie-cutter here.

They could just scrap the wards and give everyone their own instanced plot of their choosing, maybe a plot that you can upgrade in size. That's.. also not viable though. It's just too much work to do from the ground up, and I think only NA servers have the issues we have.

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Originally Posted by Septonyte

How about, when a house is relinquished and bought both players in question have thier gil transactions for the past X amount of time looked into. If a large amount is transferred from the new owner to the old owner by any means then both accounts are temp banned, new owner loses the house, and old owner loses all the new gil. In other words. the GMs could ACTUALLY do their jobs by upholding the ToS and there is a gil sink that is worth a damn.

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I see so many problems poping if this would to be implemented.

When I open this thread, I was expecting like sending them bunch of poisoned cupcakes. :p
The resale window and convert option is nice, but I don't see how any form of gifting would not be abused by the flippers.

I have better idea: gives us actual system to sell houses to other players and recognize "those evil flippers" as any other trader. Price is dictated by market, it's high because people are ready to pay it. Plot prices set by SE are a joke.
I'd gladly buy large house from someone if I had 100% guarantee it's safe. There is nothing else to do with gil anyway.

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Originally Posted by Terkhev

I have better idea: gives us actual system to sell houses to other players and recognize "those evil flippers" as any other trader. Price is dictated by market, it's high because people are ready to pay it. Plot prices set by SE are a joke.
I'd gladly buy large house from someone if I had 100% guarantee it's safe. There is nothing else to do with gil anyway.

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Not really a fix though. People pay cause they are desperate.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

Not really a fix though. People pay cause they are desperate.

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But that's (in much simplification) how economy works: balance between supply and demand. With such a small supply it's only natural to have very high price. Artificially limiting options to buy houses only from SE/server is not a solution and results in making supply even smaller (by encouraging hoarding). If players could sell houses it'd make prices high but at the same time everyone could just "earn" it in their own pace and not rely on RNG or beg SE for more plots.

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Originally Posted by Terkhev

But that's (in much simplification) how economy works: balance between supply and demand. With such a small supply it's only natural to have very high price. Artificially limiting options to buy houses only from SE/server is not a solution and results in making supply even smaller (by encouraging hoarding). If players could sell houses it'd make prices high but at the same time everyone could just "earn" it in their own pace and not rely on RNG or beg SE for more plots.

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I'm not saying you're wrong but I see problems with say someone sell a Large in Shirogane for 500M-1000M (seen it happen) and it be placed on MB (imagine the taxes damn) we havnt really solved anything , we just moved the transactions and made it "safer" but the issue remains.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

we just moved the transactions and made it "safer" but the issue remains.

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Removing flippers doesn't solve anything; it just shifts who can buy a house from those that can pay extreme rates to those who beat the queues at 4am on a Tuesday patch day.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Removing flippers doesn't solve anything; it just shifts who can buy a house from those that can pay extreme rates to those who beat the queues at 4am on a Tuesday patch day.

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It would remove the secure aspect with handing over lot of amounts to gil before getting the plot (assuming how this would work in a situation where you buy it off someone) but like you said, it wouldnt solve a single thing.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

Not really a fix though. People pay cause they are desperate.

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Not true. People pay cause they hundreds of millions of gil cause they have nothing else to spend it on.