[Request] ARR Hunt Adjustments

With some of the recent discussion about hunts I was thinking more recently about the level 50 hunts, and well, a lot of people seem to be struggling to get to them and receive the rewards.

These days, literally anyone can go out and solo the ARR a ranks these days without breaking a sweat and S ranks only need a small party to be taken down within a few minutes. Even if you immediately drop everything the second its called (assuming you get a call for it the moment its found) and go there using the most efficient routes chances are you've already missed it.

So...I've thought up a few ideas for adjustments. Insight and comments are welcome, but lets try and stay constructive.

A) Increase the stats for all a/s ranks in the ARR realms to make them more difficult to do solo or small parties
Con: By increasing the stats it makes it harder for actual level 50 players to participate, while it would do little to deter/affect level 70 players
B) Increase the spawn frequency of ARR A/S by reducing the cooldown timer to a shorter amount
Con: They can still just as easily be killed, just more often
C) Change the system to be similar to tomestones; make HW A/S ranks give allied hunt seals and centurio seals only for level 70/SB items, repeat every time theres an expansion
Con: Since its the same system as tomestones essentially, people might be unhappy with the repetitiveness
D) Get rid of allied entirely and replace with Centurio
Cons: ???

If you are actively hunting, you should never miss one in the zone you are in. You shoulnd't be complaining if you are at your house crafting and miss one. the system is not designed for everyone on the server to get credit.

It's up to the person that finds it first whether they want to call it out for others and risk not getting full credit or just kill it themselves either solo or with a select group of friends or their FC.

Want to get these hunts more often then actively search for them. If you miss one because you were doing other things and waiting for someone to find them for you then you've got nothing to complain about. The entire server isn't entitled to kill credit just because it spawned in game.

Odds are if the person does call it out the first 8 man party there is going to pull it and kill it because they have other places they want to be.

Hmm, could be your server community honestly. Here people wait a bit for others to gather up before killing for the most part. They won't wait forever though so you still gotta move when the call first goes out.

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Originally Posted by Louvain

a lot of people seem to be struggling to get to them and receive the rewards.

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Originally Posted by Louvain

These days, literally anyone can go out and solo the ARR a ranks these days without breaking

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You seem to contradict yourself here.

I don't really see an issue with older hunts. If you want to kill them, go out and hunt them. They're usually not always hunted down as fast as newer ones so it shouldn't be much of an issue.

make ARR hunt bills work like HW and SB hunt bills.

my server doesn't do hunts. My g/f and i recent found stormblood a rank hunts while gathering, we do shouts and no ine replies or comes. It can be an hour. A few have sat near where my g/f gathers.

the only cons, to ant of your proposals are

1) increasing them will not help, it just makes them harder to kill on smaller servers which can f over gatherers.

2) world f over the people just getting centrio seals

3 ppl see it as a nerf.

i think ARR hunt bills should be 3 daily +1 weekly. not every server has dedicated hunters. Not everyone can be online for hunts. With more hunt bills you still doing the work to earn your rewards.

personally i rather see centerio seals combined with allied seals. have it lore wise the clan partnered with the grand companies since ishgard was added to the grand company alliance. we have not see much change in ishgard since they were added. Plus how are centerio seals in kugane?

It makes 0 sense to me to have 2 currency for the same content. Lore flavor wise both hunt bills are the same.


asking for changes is not a nerf btw. -_- (inb4nerf shouters)

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

If you are actively hunting, you should never miss one in the zone you are in. You shoulnd't be complaining if you are at your house crafting and miss one. the system is not designed for everyone on the server to get credit.

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Considering hunts are supposed to be a community activity and it's impossible to solo even A ranks when at relevant level (currently all Stormblood hunts), I sincerely doubt this was the intended design. Increasing the HP, level or lowering ours wouldn't change anything except make ARR and HW hunts not die simply by giving them a dirty look.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Considering hunts are supposed to be a community activity and it's impossible to solo even A ranks when at relevant level (currently all Stormblood hunts), I sincerely doubt this was the intended design. Increasing the HP, level or lowering ours wouldn't change anything except make ARR and HW hunts not die simply by giving them a dirty look.

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Its been stated that A ranks were designed for parties of 4-8, and S ranks were designed for 3 parties of 8. No where close to the mobs that go to them

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Its been stated that A ranks were designed for parties of 4-8, and S ranks were designed for 3 parties of 8. No where close to the mobs that go to them

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Assuming this correct, they were incredibly naive then. It doesn't really add up since they actively promote massive groups by adding raid tokens and the new mount. That will only encourage more people to hunt, which they have to know. Either way, hunts are presented as open world content and treated by the community as such. Like I said, it wouldn't change anything to scale old hunts to what they used to be. You don't even need parties now.

People seem to think I'm against other finding and pulling hunts when you find them and I'm not (exactly, anyways). But the current system and scaling, as is, isn't very efficient. The only way to get allied hunt seals is either

A) Being able to snag an ARR hunt
B) doing really tedious daily hunts

While I don't hunt as much as I used to I'm not unused to the experience of looking for an A rank when it should be up only to learn later that someone else found it, solod it, and didn't mark it down which wastes my time and leaves me without the reward. I'm sure others can relate or have shared similar experience. While it's hardly an issue for me, the same cannot be said for others who are newer, returning from a long break, want a more varied experience than hunting all day, or have a limited time to play.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

If you are actively hunting, you should never miss one in the zone you are in. You shoulnd't be complaining if you are at your house crafting and miss one. the system is not designed for everyone on the server to get credit.

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Not true at all, hunts can spawn very far away from the person who triggered the spawn, all it takes is 1 trigger-happy person pulling as soon as they get there for the spawner to not get credit. Seen it happen with bird of paradise, croque mitaine and nunyunuwi.

Item levels keep rising, but hunt HP remains static.

People barely show up for any of the hunts as is. Increasing their difficulty is making it unnecessarily hard on the people who bother to hunt them down. The only useful change would be increasing their spawn timers.

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Originally Posted by Louvain

While I don't hunt as much as I used to I'm not unused to the experience of looking for an A rank when it should be up only to learn later that someone else found it, solod it, and didn't mark it down which wastes my time and leaves me without the reward. I'm sure others can relate or have shared similar experience.

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I recommend you to join a local LS which is built purposely for hunting. This will save a lot of time finding the A/S-rank hunt. I personally never try to find A/S-rank hunt because the spawn time and location is too random (even if you are using tracker). When I bumped into one, I will share the location to LS link, if people are coming that's great. If not then I don't see the reason for not soloing while you can, because everyone will practically do the same thing.

And allied seals is not the precious currency right now, so people tend to leave ARR A/S rank alone.

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Originally Posted by Vineas

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Hello I am going to reiterate again that this isn't about me because I do not often hunt anymore because I don't need to but the system itself. I simply use personal anectodes as an example so people can have a better understanding of what I'm referring to.

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Originally Posted by Vineas

I recommend you to join a local LS which is built purposely for hunting. This will save a lot of time finding the A/S-rank hunt. I personally never try to find A/S-rank hunt because the spawn time and location is too random (even if you are using tracker). When I bumped into one, I will share the location to LS link, if people are coming that's great. If not then I don't see the reason for not soloing while you can, because everyone will practically do the same thing.

And allied seals is not the precious currency right now, so people tend to leave ARR A/S rank alone.

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not all servers have a big hunt community. I know goblin doesn't when you see an A rank being shouted in yanxia and it takes an hr for ppl to show up to kill it.

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Originally Posted by Louvain

A) Increase the stats for all a/s ranks in the ARR realms to make them more difficult to do solo or small parties
Con: By increasing the stats it makes it harder for actual level 50 players to participate, while it would do little to deter/affect level 70 players

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The con is why they absolutely shouldn't do this. That's content that wasn't meant to be run by level 70s and the problem here isn't the boss but the fact that you can zerg it with all 70s. Imagine you're actually on level in that zone. Running into an A rank is bad enough, you want to buff it on top of it all?
If it's in an ARR zone, it should be scaled to ARR difficulty. And if you want to run that content but you're 70? You should get scaled down. At this point that's one of the few viable options we have, I think.

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B) Increase the spawn frequency of ARR A/S by reducing the cooldown timer to a shorter amount

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A rank timer is fine, it's the S ranks that are troublesome.

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C) Change the system to be similar to tomestones; make HW A/S ranks give allied hunt seals and centurio seals only for level 70/SB items, repeat every time theres an expansion

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The problem with that is that if you're max level and they introduced something new for the older areas like the mount speed, you're potentially locking yourself out. Gearing up alt jobs is also a problem. Ultimately though I don't see it making people not run it as much as tomes are a big thing about hunts, but not ultimately what people run it for.

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D) Get rid of allied entirely and replace with Centurio

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Wouldn't change a single thing.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

and it's impossible to solo even A ranks when at relevant level (currently all Stormblood hunts)

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A lot are soloable as PLD for example..


Now on the topic... On Louisoix I tested it now several days, you can't hunt old ARR hunts here, they are almost always dead. I checked more than 10 areas on different days and never found something.
Here are a lot new players ofc and many dont use tracker websites, this may be more a problem on this server but still sucks lol. Another thing is they don't report 99% of ARR A in the first place, because not many people come for these.
I kill nowadays 5-10 S for 1 A mob in ARR regions.

There are many ways to adjust hunts, one method would be easy to implement, just let us know when hunt mobs were killed the last time at the hunting NPC in every region. Before I hunt I can easily talk with the guy and know if it could be up again or not. This would leave hunt system as it is and doesn't change much, but you could plan for it if you are trying to hunt and you don't waste hours searching a dead hunt.
It would be an ingame tracker and we wouldnt have to use apps or external sites anymore to update all the shit.

And just in general... with all the new content and new patches after several months and years, it is a normal development of a MMO to nerf old content to make the game items more accessible and keep it fun. It happens with beast tribes with relicweapon grinds or the unsync function. Hunts don't have to stay the same forever aswell...It doesnt hurt anybody if they would spawn more often..xD

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

People barely show up for any of the hunts as is. Increasing their difficulty is making it unnecessarily hard on the people who bother to hunt them down. The only useful change would be increasing their spawn timers.

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I also play on Diabolos, your first statement is false, S ranks always get swarmed.

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Originally Posted by Louvain

A) Increase the stats for all a/s ranks in the ARR realms to make them more difficult to do solo or small parties
Con: By increasing the stats it makes it harder for actual level 50 players to participate, while it would do little to deter/affect level 70 players
B) Increase the spawn frequency of ARR A/S by reducing the cooldown timer to a shorter amount
Con: They can still just as easily be killed, just more often
C) Change the system to be similar to tomestones; make HW A/S ranks give allied hunt seals and centurio seals only for level 70/SB items, repeat every time theres an expansion
Con: Since its the same system as tomestones essentially, people might be unhappy with the repetitiveness
D) Get rid of allied entirely and replace with Centurio
Cons: ???

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A) No. A better way to handle this without ruining the fact that they're meant for 50/60/70 content respectively would be SE simply making them sync a player much like FATEs do. Adjusting mob values would be far worse when there's already a system in place to adjust players.

B) A ranks are short already. They're fine I'd say. S ranks could stand to be a tad shorter or simply make their random timer within the capable spawn time an exact time frame.

C/D) Unnecessary.

How your hunt experience goes will vary with each server. Some of them don't have established Linkshells or groups dedicated to keeping up with these or sharing the info. Some do. On Leviathan it's very easy to farm A ranks and even S ranks. I only play a few hours a day and I can farm 1-3 dozen A ranks daily. We have several completely full Linkshells dedicated to spreading the info and tracking them.

Personally, I find the only major drawback to the Hunt system design is that 1 player can often ruin it for others. Be it by off setting timers, early pulling, etc. This seems to only be an issue for smaller/dead or less active Hunt servers though.

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Originally Posted by dotsforlife

This seems to only be an issue for smaller/dead or less active Hunt servers though.

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You'd be surprised

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

You'd be surprised

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I'd imagine some toxic players could ruin the fun as well. We used to have 2 that would do it so often they became well known (and hated) for it. They've long been removed from the information circle though and these days there are rarely issues. Other servers should follow suit if they encounter players like this or try to establish a better etiquette for these things. Can't control everyone sadly, but it can be curbed at least.