List of what got worse after the patches [Feedback Topic]

Hello, adventurers.

With all the patches released there're so many things that improved since launch.
In this Topic, however, I would like to bring to the attention of the dev team some of the features that in my opinion got worse, hoping in an answer or in a future fix or improvement. Who else feels like listing his/her contructive opinion on what he/she thinks got worse is welcome. :)


1. Lines of macros skipped
After patch 1.20, there's been an increase in the speed of macros related to equipping gear; however, this came with a cost, as I noticed that sometimes certain lines of the macro, probably due to the increase in speed, are skipped. Something was strange when I was fighting as Pugilist with Linen Gaiters (crafter's equipment) on more than one occasion, that's when I realized the issue, that I never had in the past.
Now I often have to press the same macro 3 or 4 times, because not all the lines work and not all the gear is equipped at once.
It doesn't matter the area where I am (normal or server processed), nor if I'm standing or moving: simply, many times the lines of macros are skipped.

Not a real problem to me pressing the same macro three times, but considering the average patience of other, possibly new adventurers, I think this should be fixed soon.
Chances to have it return to work properly by 1.21?


2. “Queing of gathering starting action”
After (I think) patch 1.19, the “queing of actions” for Disciples of the Land got worse. I'm talking about the action, be it “Fish”, “Log” or “Mine”, when you select it from the Main Menu or by targeting the gathering point: in the past, if I ceased gathering, the moment, for instance, that I put away my pickaxe, when I was still putting it away, I could select “Mine” and it automatically drew it back, ready to mine again. Now I've to wait that the tool is in my back and only then the command works; even if I target the mining point and press “Confirm” multiple times, it doesn't work... Actually, this seems to slow down the process even more.

If you're asking “Why do you put away your tool while gathering?”, it's simple: I do gathering because I like to do it, and I do it when I really feel like doing it; so I take my Regional Leves and, for the ones requiring to take 3 specific types of ore/log/fish, I try to activate Sweat of Brow, but not until some time has passed. This way, I can enjoy the leve and the relaxing music for at least 25 minutes.
However, certain times I recognize the sweet spot of the specific material of the leve from the Remainder Gauge, so I cease gathering and start again.

Of course, this problem could be instantly solved if the 3 specific materials in Fieldcraft Leves would only appear in a single specific spot. This way, no more “ceasing gathering” would be necessary: I know Straight Mahogany Logs only and only appear at the +3 sweet spot, so, since that day I feel like spending a good 25 minutes gathering with that music, I go at -2 and aim for Rosewood Logs/Branches.
If this could be implemented, it would be Great, but until then I'd like to have the response time of gathering starting actions as it was prior to patch 1.19. There's no need to slow down the response times after all the improvements made on them.


3. Loot List icon removed from the top of the screen
For some reason the Loot List flashing icon was removed... Now it appears very little in the micro menu. I think it will be enlarged, but that's not my point.
After patch 1.20, the +3 items are no longer obtainable. However, I've aaaall the ones hardly earned in my 14 moons in Eorzea that I was waiting to use until the HQ mechanics revamps scheduled for 1.20 (and postponed to 1.21; I'm talking about the real deal: using HQ materials that ensure a HQ result.).
Therefore, with all the new +1 items, I had a big increase in inventory space, as I don't feel like throwing away the old +3 ones. For this reason, it happened that while I was gathering, not seeing the flashing Loot List icon (the micro menu disappears while gathering), I lost +1 gathered materials because I had full inventory without realizing it.

So, would it be possible to have the Loot List icon back and have it flash even while you're gathering or crafting?


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Also, after patch 1.19 I started to have again big amounts of lag in certain areas of the city-states, like when exiting the Market Wards or when entering the Adventurers' Guilds, with the other characters not appearing if not after 2-4 seconds. Before patch 1.19 I wasn't having this issue in a long time... Anyway, just pointing it out, I know nothing can be done about it until the new server network arrives.

So the 3 above are my points. If other adventurers agree with those or would like to let the dev team know their opinion on what they think got worse after the patches, please do so in this Topic.

Thanks, community reps, if you could forward these feedbacks and eventually let me know (particularly on the first two points).

Cloudio Onizuka

1 and 3 I agree with.

2 is... weird, and probably specific to you only. Here's a potentially better idea: Fail the gather. The leve target is always going to be in the same spot during the approach phase (assuming sufficient level and gathering stat). Figure out where that is, and chop as far away from it as you can. You'll fail to gather the leve item, and voila, you don't have to put your tool away. I haven't timed things out, so this might actually take longer than putting the tool away + bringing it back out, so this may not help you at all. I really don't want them to make the leve targets only appear in one spot though, no no no.

I think those are all valid points.
For me the worst addition is probably the way quests were implemented. Because they seem to be just another way to do leves it leaves little hope for future questlines and cutscenes. Now players view them just as an optional way to grind.

In previous FF games especially XI the unfolding story was more of a reward than a piece of gil or xp can ever hope to be.

I don't remember the story of even one single npc quest or leve in XIV and I hope the inclusion of gear rewards won't blind people from seeing how badly these story bits are written.

Most players just skip over the blocks of useless text because the designers don't trust us to remember even the most simple of instructions. And why would we as it all comes down to following red dot on the map.

yeah i gotta go with ralda on #2

you are doing something that is very odd and time consuming, and in the end doesnt even net you more exp preuly because you are wasting so much time doing it that way. you are basicaly doing it in a way that it was not meant to be done, so i very much doubt they will cater to that specific need since its not a true problem for people

1 i have no real opinion on

3 is eh, it was nice to see the icon on the screen but personaly i know when i have loot so it doesnt bother me

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Originally Posted by Seif

I think those are all valid points.
For me the worst addition is probably the way quests were implemented. Because they seem to be just another way to do leves it leaves little hope for future questlines and cutscenes. Now players view them just as an optional way to grind.

In previous FF games especially XI the unfolding story was more of a reward than a piece of gil or xp can ever hope to be.

I don't remember the story of even one single npc quest or leve in XIV and I hope the inclusion of gear rewards won't blind people from seeing how badly these story bits are written.

Most players just skip over the blocks of useless text because the designers don't trust us to remember even the most simple of instructions. And why would we as it all comes down to following red dot on the map.

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Admittedly most of the side-quests are filler but there are some that have interesting bits of info here and there, like a Roegadyn needing items to trade on another land mass that was recently discovered. One in the first batch or two of side-quests to come out actually hinted at the whole Dalamud thing waaaay before the GC quests even came in. Then we've got the class quests which give interesting insight into the guilds and the way Eorzea works, much more interesting than most games IMO. After that we've got the GC quests which are currently mostly 7th Umbral Era related which have been fantastic so far, especially the newest ones. And last but not least of course we've got the main quests which are quite interesting though they left us at a cliffhanger with a lot of unfinished business.

All in all I think a vast majority of the quests are done quite well and are fairly interesting. The side-quests are the least important of them but they're still good I'd say.

3 is the one that bugs me the most, I seen things like keys and such not get passed in settlements because the person who it dropped to did not see it in the log and the little icons in the corner no one pays attention to.

I do not mind the new system something I would just have to get use to, but would be great if they had an option to toggle the old stuff on top of the screen as well.

On #3 it shows in your macro menu, so just move that to a location that stands out better for you to see. :)

As we will most likely be seeing more and more items built into the macro menu.

3 is a good one, I wish they would do that for raises as well. Also I would add

4. Duration of raise on a target was significantly decreased, please increase duration. Honestly I dont see why it would have a duration to begin with not like you can queue it up on a live target.

edit: or a compromise with xtash and monteyb, make those icons moveable and not attached to the micro menu.

1. If you turn on Action cue this is fixed from my experience.

1. It was before.
2. After 1.19 in 25 minutes you can get better EXP just doing leves.
3. Yes. Loot list icon in top of the screen was much better.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

3 is a good one, I wish they would do that for raises as well.

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I don't think we need any more notification for raises... we already get a very noticeable "Person is trying to raise you" popup and we finally have an animation for it, and I love both haha. Maybe the same thing for loot list? "X items in your loot list" as a popup? Although it would be kinda annoying when you're xping and just getting junk items.

The cool down timers on most classes not syncing forcing a re-log if it wasn't the class you logged out on.

1 and 2 don't necessarily pertain to me but 3 I haven't found much issue with.

I have also experienced game crashes at the wards and Aethe nodes, I have seen others have this issue. Also happens at the wards on occasion. Never happened before 1.20... is it just me or other have this random issue?

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Originally Posted by Estellios

I don't think we need any more notification for raises... we already get a very noticeable "Person is trying to raise you" popup and we finally have an animation for it, and I love both haha. Maybe the same thing for loot list? "X items in your loot list" as a popup? Although it would be kinda annoying when you're xping and just getting junk items.

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do you have to turn this notification on or is it in an obscure not so noticeable place, because 1. I have never seen it and 2. I have raised many people that didn't realize they had a raise on them and the timer ran out, so it is somewhat an issue. Then again just allowing us to move the notifications without the micro menu would I think be the best option since it allows one to choose.

Hmmm I think it might be tied to the pop-up help. I have it turned on so I can get used to combos on classes I haven't played till recently. Whenever I get raised a dialog box in the micro menu pops up and says someone cast raise on you. Also does that whenever someone teleports me, trades with me or invites me to a party.

If it's tied to the pop-up help this will probably be adjustable since they are going to let us customize our pop-up help soon.

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Originally Posted by Onizuka

[B][COLOR="darkred"]Now I often have to press the same macro 3 or 4 times, because not all the lines work and not all the gear is equipped at once.

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/wait 1

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Originally Posted by Onizuka

1. Lines of macros skipped
After patch 1.20, there's been an increase in the speed of macros related to equipping gear; however, this came with a cost, as I noticed that sometimes certain lines of the macro, probably due to the increase in speed, are skipped. Something was strange when I was fighting as Pugilist with Linen Gaiters (crafter's equipment) on more than one occasion, that's when I realized the issue, that I never had in the past.
Now I often have to press the same macro 3 or 4 times, because not all the lines work and not all the gear is equipped at once.
It doesn't matter the area where I am (normal or server processed), nor if I'm standing or moving: simply, many times the lines of macros are skipped.

Not a real problem to me pressing the same macro three times, but considering the average patience of other, possibly new adventurers, I think this should be fixed soon.
Chances to have it return to work properly by 1.21?

3. Loot List icon removed from the top of the screen
For some reason the Loot List flashing icon was removed... Now it appears very little in the micro menu. I think it will be enlarged, but that's not my point.
After patch 1.20, the +3 items are no longer obtainable. However, I've aaaall the ones hardly earned in my 14 moons in Eorzea that I was waiting to use until the HQ mechanics revamps scheduled for 1.20 (and postponed to 1.21; I'm talking about the real deal: using HQ materials that ensure a HQ result.).
Therefore, with all the new +1 items, I had a big increase in inventory space, as I don't feel like throwing away the old +3 ones. For this reason, it happened that while I was gathering, not seeing the flashing Loot List icon (the micro menu disappears while gathering), I lost +1 gathered materials because I had full inventory without realizing it.

So, would it be possible to have the Loot List icon back and have it flash even while you're gathering or crafting?

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Hi Onizuka (and Community Reps),

Great post. I definitely agree with Points #1 and 3 (I haven't tested enough gathering after 1.20 to see that).

I'm noticing my Macros for equipping Armor, etc. skipping lines and forcing me to press the Macro multiple times to get all lines of my Macro (viz., pieces of equipment) to equip properly.

Please fix this, Square. :(

#3. Yah, the Loot List Icon was very helpful, and it's way too hard to see now (if you're not paying attention).

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Raldo

2 is... weird, and probably specific to you only. Here's a potentially better idea: Fail the gather. The leve target is always going to be in the same spot during the approach phase (assuming sufficient level and gathering stat). Figure out where that is, and chop as far away from it as you can. You'll fail to gather the leve item, and voila, you don't have to put your tool away.

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This is exacty what I do in Fieldcraft Leves that require obtaining the 3 specific items: for instance, with High-Quality Obsidian (found at +4) I place myself at -5, but this doesn't ensure that I won't find it, and so certain times I still find the item even if I'm at the opposite sweet spot. That's why, when I understand I'm about to obtain one of the 3 items, I put away my tool. But in the past, putting it away and drawing it back took me around 5 seconds, now it can take up to 15 because of the changes in the response times.
I would really like if, if I place myself at a far away sweet spot, I couldn't obtain one of the specific items, so I can make the Fieldcraft Leve last as much as I want.
Anyway, this aside, I still don't understand why the so-called “queuing of actions” was slowed down. This is similar to what happened to the battle system, but that was fixed back in 1.20 with a Text Command.

I know levequests are meant to be done quickly, but as I like gathering so much with that music, I would like to have them last as much as I want, like I always did, as atypical as it may be. ;)
An improvement (restore to how it was before, actually) in the response times wouldn't hurt, anyway.


To answer the adventurer Seif above: I know that unfortunately many Eorzeans skip through the text of quests, but there're also some who read it all. I, for one, also save the whole dialogues as screenshots at the end of the quest (Putting all filters on and widening the chat log). :D
It really depends on the approach: I did the level 36 Alchemist quest not for Hand of the Gods, but because I really enjoyed that storyline.

Like Arcell above said, a few quests also hints at something: through the old “Moonstruck” sidequest in Wineport, linking what I had learned there with Cid's at that time single line “Meteor”, I was already suspecting Dalamud would fall on us.
“Of Archons and Muses” is another small, but very interesting sidequest.
Also, there're the minor ones, like the ones with Marcette: it depends how many adventurers might care about learning more on the monsters of Eorzea. I, for one, being a Disciple of the Land, liked those. :)
And some, like the ones involving Lonsygg :D, are also fun.

Let us hope more will be introduced, with the Great cinematic storytelling of the Grand Company ones.

And now, back to my first point...

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Originally Posted by Stupifyed

1. If you turn on Action cue this is fixed from my experience.

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Originally Posted by Yazoo

1. It was before.

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I've action queuing on and I'm sure it wasn't like this before. Really, no one noticed that after patch 1.20 there was an increase in speed in gear-equipping macros, and certain times lines are skipped? Prior to patch 1.20, I changed my sets countless times and the only time lines were skipped was if I was in one of the server processed zones (the ones where you see other adventurers' names graying out); but if I was still or running on the map or chocobo, I never had this issue, I'm sure.

And adding another line “/wait 1” doesn't seem a solution to me: there're only 10 lines in each macro, 6-7 occupied by gear-changing lines, and by the way, I wouldn't understand why I should modify my macros if they always worked fine prior to patch 1.20...

...Ahh, thanks Kiara! Actually someone else noticed this! It was the most evident thing to me after patch 1.20 and I was surprised no one brought it up yet...!

For the macro thing, two workarounds.
/wait 1 or enable action queue - both seem to prevent this from happening to me. Until Square fixes it this is probably your best bet.

#3 I agree with... went exping with some friends at Natalan? (dunno English spelling) Ixali camp and I guess key came to my loot but when everyone was saying grats!, I said grats! too and then they said... no you got the key so we're saying grats to you!... that's when I realized the loot icon was gone for the first time lol

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Originally Posted by Onizuka

This is exacty what I do in Fieldcraft Leves that require obtaining the 3 specific items: for instance, with High-Quality Obsidian (found at +4) I place myself at -5, but this doesn't ensure that I won't find it, and so certain times I still find the item even if I'm at the opposite sweet spot. That's why, when I understand I'm about to obtain one of the 3 items, I put away my tool.

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What I meant was just strike in the wrong spot. For example, if the leve target is found at the center of the circle, strike on the outside.

I put my micro menu where the loot icon used to pop up. I never miss it now. :3

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Originally Posted by Answa

I put my micro menu where the loot icon used to pop up. I never miss it now. :3

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Unfortunately, during the DoL / DoH processes, the micro menu is not visible.

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Originally Posted by Raldo

Unfortunately, during the DoL / DoH processes, the micro menu is not visible.

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I don't remember the loot icon popping up before, either. Did it?

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Originally Posted by Answa

I don't remember the loot icon popping up before, either. Did it?

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Good point. To be honest, I cannot recall. I've never really had this issue because I watch what the log says and keep a close eye on my inventory, but I tend to agree with others' complaints on the issue.

Hello again. I'm bringing this Topic back up for this reason:

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Originally Posted by Onizuka

3. Loot List icon removed from the top of the screen
For some reason the Loot List flashing icon was removed... Now it appears very little in the micro menu. I think it will be enlarged, but that's not my point.
After patch 1.20, the +3 items are no longer obtainable. However, I've aaaall the ones hardly earned in my 14 moons in Eorzea that I was waiting to use until the HQ mechanics revamps scheduled for 1.20 (and postponed to 1.21; I'm talking about the real deal: using HQ materials that ensure a HQ result.).
Therefore, with all the new +1 items, I had a big increase in inventory space, as I don't feel like throwing away the old +3 ones. For this reason, it happened that while I was gathering, not seeing the flashing Loot List icon (the micro menu disappears while gathering), I lost +1 gathered materials because I had full inventory without realizing it.

So, would it be possible to have the Loot List icon back and have it flash even while you're gathering or crafting?

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A few moments ago I had this happen once again:

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...09c3000510.jpg

I got those Light Kidney Ores +1 while I was gathering in total relax and talking with another adventurer. For this reason, I didn't realize I had already got so many Iron Ores that my Inventory was filled.

In the past there was that nice Loot List Icon flashing above. After all these months I still don't understand why it was removed. Any chance to have it back, so that we don't have to always check if the inventory is filled?
When I do gathering I'm in total relax and I don't pay attention to a mini-icon in the micro menu with all those already existing icons.

Please bring the original Loot List Icon back, or even better an option for us to trigger it, so that who wants it can have it and who doesn't want it can leave it off.

Thanks.

Ne-ne-ne-necro post

What dark magick is this?!

I do miss looking for the Loot List icon near the top. I admit, I checked it more often then.

Will try to see if I can drag the interface around later. Hopefully separate the icon from the others.

UI lag is a lot worse

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Originally Posted by Onizuka

Hello again. I'm bringing this Topic back up for this reason:



A few moments ago I had this happen once again:

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...09c3000510.jpg

I got those Light Kidney Ores +1 while I was gathering in total relax and talking with another adventurer. For this reason, I didn't realize I had already got so many Iron Ores that my Inventory was filled.

In the past there was that nice Loot List Icon flashing above. After all these months I still don't understand why it was removed. Any chance to have it back, so that we don't have to always check if the inventory is filled?
When I do gathering I'm in total relax and I don't pay attention to a mini-icon in the micro menu with all those already existing icons.

Please bring the original Loot List Icon back, or even better an option for us to trigger it, so that who wants it can have it and who doesn't want it can leave it off.

Thanks.

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yeah started gathering myself and noticed this as well, I guess if they didn't make the micro menu disappear when gathering/crafting it would help

Game has never crashed as much as it does now. Almost every CS/area transition.