All cards from every raid ever need to become personal drops. Not 24 man loot

Stop making the damn cards where you need to beat 23 other people to have a CHANCE to get them. It's utter crap. I know a few people who have done many of the 24 man raids and they STILL don't have half of the cards due to bad RNG stuff.

Make all cards personal drops like they area in normal dungeons. Enough with the BS of rolling in a group of 24.

Everyone has their own opinion. Shown in my previous thread - http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-to-roll-greed

The community is cut in how this stuff should be handled. But a lot agree that having to roll against up to 23 others is a pain in the arse.


TL;DR - Never make Triple Triad cards drop in a loot poll for 24 people to roll on it. It's utter crap. Make them PERSONAL LOOT ONLY.

At least some raids offer 3 of the card for improved odds.

Support this. I lost one of the new cards today from the new 24 man when I rolled a 95 on it. Ended up being beaten by a 97. Doubt I'll be getting a roll that high again anytime soon with how the RNG is in this game, so it would be nice if it went back to how it was prior with it being a chance to just get dropped right into your inventory like Bacent said.

I just wish the game had an indicator in the loot table of whether the card (or minion/mount) is owned or not, that would fix most of your problem

If they were personal loot but a 1 in 24 drop rate then nothing would be any different. You want them to be personal loot and have a higher drop rate?

For what it's worth you can now undersize the raids when they get old. Until then if you're an ongoing subscriber playing every week you'll get a lot of chances to roll on it over the next couple years.

I agree. 2 potential solutions:

1) Make these 2 cards drop from the each chest individually. That way, all 3 alliances have a chance to roll on them with an odd of 1/8 instead of 1/24.
2) Make the card drop straight to your inventory with a fixed chance.

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Originally Posted by Joe777

At least some raids offer 3 of the card for improved odds.

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The problem with cards is that even if you already have the card/s you can still role on it to hand in for MGP. You can't do that with minions so as a result the cards will always be hard to get.

1/24 wouldn't be bad if they removed the ability for people to lot on it again. You know there are cynical people who will lot on it just to get 1.5k MGP and that's something SE should prevent.

I would like something like you can only Need if you don't have the card in your card list and can only greed once you have the card(or have a trigger that recognizes you obtained the card once which would prevent players from selling them before using it once)

Rather, please make it so that all people who had already obtained the cards cannot NEED on the cards. Set it so they have lower priority and can only GREED. Because you know, people can and will NEED to compete against others if they have the access to NEED the things they had already obtained.

Or someone might not remember whether they have already obtained that specific card. I know I can't even remember my minions, and keep trying to loot them every time they drop. Fortunately, the untradeable minions has this system that prevent us from looting it if we already have it. I wish the cards have the same or similar system.

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If they were personal loot but a 1 in 24 drop rate then nothing would be any different. You want them to be personal loot and have a higher drop rate?

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No. It's a 1:99 drop with there being UP to 24 people, meaning 1/4 of those numbers are rolled basically, cutting the odds to roughly 1:24.75, or 1:24 for just going by how many people are in it

I'd rather it be like the cards in dungeons/trials. We have to sometimes put up with up to 23 people being either hostile/trolls/people that don't give a damn about trying/ect

I'd rather have EVERYONE have a chance on getting the card instead of only one person. I'd have people rub it in other peoples' faces when they got the new cards, only to have gotten them previously and going to 'throw it away for MGP'.

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Originally Posted by Aleczan

Rather, please make it so that all people who had already obtained the cards cannot NEED on the cards. Set it so they have lower priority and can only GREED. Because you know, people can and will NEED to compete against others if they have the access to NEED the things they had already obtained.

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I've made a suggestion about that before, and a lot of the player base was split on it. Some people even saying

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Originally Posted by SilkaN

I want any free MGP I can get, so I will always roll need. Fight me.

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I know they made Crystal Tower stuff be per party chest at some point during HW. The cards in WoD used to be in the chest but they switched that to rng direct drop. I'm pretty sure the raid specific drops in The Shadow of Mhach raids are still a fistfight between all 24 people. It'll probably still be a while before they change that too and maybe some point after that it'll be direct drop as well.

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Originally Posted by Aleczan

Rather, please make it so that all people who had already obtained the cards cannot NEED on the cards. Set it so they have lower priority and can only GREED. Because you know, people can and will NEED to compete against others if they have the access to NEED the things they had already obtained.

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I think this would be a reasonable solution to the issue. That way people can get what they need, and others can get what they want.

Just make it so you can only NEED on it if you don't have it in your deck yet. GREED if you have it, just so it doesn't hit the floor when it gets to the point of everyone owning it.
I end up rolling need on all of it because I keep forgetting what I have already got.

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Rather, please make it so that all people who had already obtained the cards cannot NEED on the cards. Set it so they have lower priority and can only GREED. Because you know, people can and will NEED to compete against others if they have the access to NEED the things they had already obtained.

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Looks like someone beat me to it.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

The problem with cards is that even if you already have the card/s you can still role on it to hand in for MGP. You can't do that with minions so as a result the cards will always be hard to get.

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I think it was Weeping City I encountered a 3 of the same cards chest in, and I rolled Need on all 3 and got 1. Now if I ever see that card again I will pass, out of common courtesy. I know there are a lot of people involved in rolling for raid loot so I don't roll if I don't need it. Of course, I'm probably in the minority in this case lol

Or allow people to get them beating a npc (even if it's hard) like the one in Mor Dhona for crystal tower ones.

I'm in agreement. The issue with raid cards is that there's no incentive for people not to roll on them if they already have them because they can be traded in for MGP. Someone who is unlucky, then, can literally do a raid every week and still miss out.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I just wish the game had an indicator in the loot table of whether the card (or minion/mount) is owned or not, that would fix most of your problem

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Need if not owning it already and Greed if someone want it for the MGP

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I just wish the game had an indicator in the loot table of whether the card (or minion/mount) is owned or not, that would fix most of your problem

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Just make it so you can only NEED on it if you don't have it in your deck yet. GREED if you have it, just so it doesn't hit the floor when it gets to the point of everyone owning it.
I end up rolling need on all of it because I keep forgetting what I have already got.

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

Well some people actually need MGP. Why should someone "needing" the card be more important than someone "needing" MGP? Who gets to make that judgement call? Because it seems to be a matter of opinion and I vote they are both equally "needed" and to leave the rolling system alone on this one. Everyone being able to roll need still gives everyone an equal chance at getting it. Fair is fair.

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Or allow people to get them beating a npc (even if it's hard) like the one in Mor Dhona for crystal tower ones.

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I think this would be an ideal solution and it saddens me that they didn't do that more. People who want the card for plain MGP can rot with the RNG, they have other ways to get it. But if you want the actual card, you should have other venues to get it too, rather than complete current casual end-game content with 24 other people where you're likely to disband at any point during the raid, and then have to fight 23 other people's luck if you somehow made it to the end. And that's if you don't frigging DC right before the chest drops smh

Honestly its just silly that cards are treated the same as the orchestrion rolls. They're a collectable, not some kind of end game content after all. However unlike the music, you can't buy these cards from a marketboard. Not saying SE should do that, far from it but if it were changed to just dropping into your inventory then everyone in the raid has a chance to get one since it would be a fixed drop instead of "Heres a card, theres 24 people. Have fun." Even if it were switched to the greed only if you have it in your list, that still would only be one drop per... I mean in older trials the cards still just drop randomly, why can't the raid just do the same thing?

I kind of wish the orchestrion rolls could also only be Greeded on if you had it, or maybe market board prohibited? All I know is I keep losing by 1 on Ultima's Transformation every time I go in (and I've been in specifically for that, too) when someone I know has won Trisection three times now :(
As for the cards, at this point I've about given up on winning them. I completely understand folks Needing for MGP - after all, the card is either gonna sit in your collection gathering dust, or help you to get mgp, too. I don't do it myself, but it's a fair cop I guess.

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I wasnt referring to the Need/Greed, I was referring to some sort of visual indicator just to tell me if I already own the card, for those that don't care about MGP and know they can pass on it.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I just wish the game had an indicator in the loot table of whether the card (or minion/mount) is owned or not, that would fix most of your problem

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We're LONG overdue for this. It's one of the many simple QoL requests that the devs seem either clueless on how to implement or possibly put themselves into a position that applying such a thing would cause problems for other parts of the game (i.e. coding and server interaction problems).

That aside, definitely agree with OP. Triple Triad isn't exactly popular anymore... and it really seems like it never will be again. I'd say there's no harm in these drops going to people in larger waves if it could potentially increase the likelihood of someone playing. It's not like it gives you a lot of MGP either to sell, where the time spent could easily have gone to any of the minigames in the Gold Saucer for far more in the same time.

It would be fine if the cards were unique but since they're not, and many raid cards are worth decent MGP on turn in, I know people who always need on them. I feel like they either need to make cards that drop in raids unique, or personal drops as was suggested. And yes, also, an indicator on whether you own the card (as well as orchestrion rolls, while we're at it) would be great.

So yeah, /signed.

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I kind of wish the orchestrion rolls could also only be Greeded on if you had it, or maybe market board prohibited?

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Please don't. At least I still have an option if I farm the same crap for X times and still didn't win it. Price also crash pretty quickly since it's 100% drop rate now, so it's not too bad imo.

Back on topic, they can just make the card drop directly into personal inventory like how they used to do it during early void ark. I got no idea who decided to change it into how it is now really.

I just ran LotA through the roulette and ended up with the card from there. It was a nice surprise and just happened on its own. I much prefer such an experience to what we have in the HW raids :I

should be 1/8 roll. Make the cards drops on the aliance chest instead of the global chest

I'm a card collector and have been running Royal City with the singular goal of getting the cards. In 23 runs I have gotten one of the two and three scrolls (two unique + a dupe). I've lost rolls on both cards with 98's. And at least three scrolls with 97's and 98's.

So 5 winning lots in 23 runs and 5 that were darn close. Not horrid.

Personally I'd like to see the cards also drop randomly like they do in other dungeons in addition to being in the loot pool. That addition would make things more agreeable to most folks I wager.

I've had to run some content for as many as 45 runs to see a random drop happen, so RNG can be just as brutal there as in this case. I think the difference is that you can see your loss in Royal, and that stings more. When the dice are rolled invisibly and you either get the drop or not in your inventory you have no clue as to how 'close' or 'far' from winning you were. So you shrug and go, "ah well, I'l try again". When you loose a card with a 98, you feel a bit shafted. The visibility of the loss matters.

I know that if I keep running the raid I'll get the card in time. My 98 loss on the one I still need would have won it a score of times in other raids. So it will come in time. It's a bit frustrating to run the content and lot a 22 or such on what I need, but I try to figure that would be like running it and getting no inventory drop in another dungeon.

So I sympathize with other frustration. Adding in the inventory drop aspect would, in my eyes, be the easiest and best solution. If I remember right Void Arc had that happening at one point in the past, where you could lot for the chest card, or possibly get the random drop.

And TWO unique cards in the raid? Really?

Good luck folks. Hang in there you'll see it. Over the last week the number of people lotting on the cards has dropped to an average of 17 of the 24 on my runs. So slowly the odds improve. I've seen people win cards and music with high 80's and low 90's more often now.

Supported. I don't know why they changed it to having to lot, with individual drops everyone gets a chance at increasing their collection or getting some MGP without negatively impacting others.

They should add an NPC that unlocks in the airship after you beat the raid that you can play cards with that drops these cards so at least there is another option instead of dice rolling against 20 or so people. (Some of the 24man ARR cards have NPC drops) Either that or once this content is dead they can add the cards to the coin NPC like they did with the orchestrion rolls for the HW 24 mans.

pretty sure rabanastre cards are loot drops due to the lack of minion

Because they want you to keep running these raids and they're willing to incentivize each separate drop (minion, crafting agent, card, equipment) to do so.

Besides, its week 3 and I'm already noticing less people rolling on each individual card, likely because the percentage of people that already have them is going up. Stop being so reactionary and keep running it, you'll get it eventually.

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Besides, its week 3 and I'm already noticing less people rolling on each individual card, likely because the percentage of people that already have them is going up. Stop being so reactionary and keep running it, you'll get it eventually.

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Even just doing it once a week(if you get your drop for the week) you will eventually get it. Happened to me with the Void Ark minion. Took me until almost SB to finally get it.

I wanted to circle back to this.

I just got the 2nd card I needed from the raid on my 72nd clear (First dropped on my 13th run). I had a lot of near wins over the runs, and picked up 14 music scrolls (which went to FC mates who collect music) So it's just a matter of time and repeating things.

Having finished this, I feel the best way this could be improved is of the two cards each could also drop directly from their respective bosses into your inventory like all other dungeon drop cards do in addition to the ones in the chests at the end. That would probably deliver faster card getting for most folks, and still provide a lot of re-running motivation.