4.1: RDM's Dualcast can no longer be clicked off.

Does anyone know why this change happened? It's completely undocumented and seems completely pointless.

Now I'm just curious. Why would you want to click it off?

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Now I'm just curious. Why would you want to click it off?

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For openers. Don't want to instant cast into the pull and waste a precast in dungeons. If you want to click it off, place the Aethercurrent compass onto your bar and use it. It will remove dualcast and has almost no animation time.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

For openers. Don't want to instant cast into the pull and waste a precast in dungeons. If you want to click it off, place the Aethercurrent compass onto your bar and use it. It will remove dualcast and has almost no animation time.

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You could also vercure yourself on the way up the steps :o

Don't get it either... just hardcast prepull or use cure to trigger dual - what's the benefit of canceling insta casts? .___.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

You could also vercure yourself on the way up the steps :o

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That triggers your gcd and costs 2.5 of your precast time.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

That triggers your gcd and costs 2.5 of your precast time.

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You shouldnt need to be using anything involving dual cast before a pull.

In dungeons, use veracure on yourself to get rid of it.
On raids, dont use it pre pull.

The question is why do you have dual cast on before a dungeon/raid boss pull?

Is it on? -> veracure to get rid of it
Why is it on? -> I used it on something -> veracure to get rid of it.

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

You shouldnt need to be using anything involving dual cast before a pull.

In dungeons, use veracure on yourself to get rid of it.
On raids, dont use it pre pull.

The question is why do you have dual cast on before a dungeon/raid boss pull?

Is it on? -> veracure to get rid of it
Why is it on? -> I used it on something -> veracure to get rid of it.

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It's a niche situation where your tank pulls the boss quickly after the last pack of mobs. But by all means, keep picking at practical advice to a problem OP had. Triggering dualcast to fall off with vercure can eliminate the advantage of precasting, if the tank pulls during the gcd of the instant vercure tick. Take the knowledge and move on.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

It's a niche situation where your tank pulls the boss quickly after the last pack of mobs. But by all means, keep picking at practical advice to a problem OP had. Triggering dualcast to fall off with vercure can eliminate the advantage of precasting, if the tank pulls during the gcd of the instant vercure tick. Take the knowledge and move on.

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If you're pulling to the boss room, which is usually about 2-5 seconds before you reach that room, you should be able to get your dual cast off before you even hit the room. But by all means, keep picking at the simplest solutions the OP had. If you're a smart rdm, you should be able to control your quick veracure before the boss room or even entering and hitting the middle room of the room. I can't think of any dungeon that wouldn't allow you more than 2-4 seconds, where dualcast couldn't be turned off by the time the boss room is hit or the pull begins, especially at 70 >_>

The minute the last mob is about to die, how are you not using dual cast veracure to get rid of it? What are you waiting for exactly? The end of time? I'm curious, as this has never been a problem, whether pug, potd, raids and trash mobs, but seems to be a simple solution. Understandable you're trying to maximize your dps, but unless it's raid/savage content, may be thinking a bit too much about the situation o.o

To answer the question, I've actually run into this situation a few times during trials/raid/the new 24 man boss fights.

Sometimes, rarely but sometimes, the boss will phase with the timing of getting a full cast, but the boss disappears in the 0.5 seconds between the cast and using dualcast. In this situation, you're left with 15 seconds of a dualcast buff. The other half of this "once in a blue moon" situation is when the phasing itself takes 16-17 seconds... or less than 2 seconds after dualcast expires. In this situation, I can't gain some potency on my first gcd without somehow getting rid of dualcast before it actually expires. Every time this has happened before 4.1, I would simply click off the buff and then cast vercure.

Now, I do understand that RDM has next to zero mana problems. It's why I'm willing to rez a death or two, or spot the healers some mana shifts. It's totally managable for me to get rid of dualcast with vercure, then just simply vercure again. But before, I didn't have to. I could have saved that 600 mana, and in a situation where the healer needed me to give one too many mana shifts, that 600 mana might even be the stuff that lets me continue casting the whole time I'm waiting for lucid dreaming.

No it's not a big deal, but it's just really confusing why they made this change and it wasn't in the patch notes. Might not be "actually a nerf", but it's just kinda out of the blue you know? I'd rather they give RDM some love. It's kinda the lowest dps in the game at the moment.

Omg.. the boss phased. Just hit vercure right away and wait for the boss to reappear for your hard cast, how hard is it..

Why on earth do you think you have to wait out the entire 15 sec even if you can't click it off?

And if you have to go so far into saving that 600 mana - in the situation where you have to stand still and wait for that 15 sec for dualcast to expire, you regen more than that amount of mana. Please.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyDevo

I'd rather they give RDM some love. It's kinda the lowest dps in the game at the moment.

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Oh we won't be getting any for at last a couple major patches. As soon as we get any sort of buff any other caster with a keyboard will immediately assume battle formations and tearspam either reddit or the forums and say something about Verraise. Just look at what happened with the mana glitch that was inflating a few peoples numbers on fflogs.

Oh no, 2.5 second... Oh the humanity..

Jesus. You folks are brutal.

If they took black mage and they increased the foul timer by 0.01 seconds without mentioning anything about it in the patch notes, would you say "oh it doesn't even matter why are you upset"? Or if they took white mage and reduced their maximum mana by 60 without documentation?

My point is that this is a change, it does, if rarely, come up, and is, no matter how slight, technically a nerf. Without any sort of documentation. Yet people feel the need to jump down my throat.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyDevo

Jesus. You folks are brutal.

If they took black mage and they increased the foul timer by 0.01 seconds without mentioning anything about it in the patch notes, would you say "oh it doesn't even matter why are you upset"? Or if they took white mage and reduced their maximum mana by 60 without documentation?

My point is that this is a change, it does, if rarely, come up, and is, no matter how slight, technically a nerf. Without any sort of documentation. Yet people feel the need to jump down my throat.

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This is a matter of if it actually affects gameplay and has a realistic impact on their performance and has no workaround. No one would bat an eye if a champion in LoL or a class in WoW gets nerfed by 1% and its undocumented, because chances are, they won't even notice it. Only the most nitpicky of people would actually get upset over that (Which unfortunately this community has its fair share of) sort of thing when it does get documented or found out.

I believe Sprint uses up Dualcast (for some reason!) so that's possibly an option.

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Originally Posted by PrismaticDaybreak

Oh we won't be getting any for at last a couple major patches. As soon as we get any sort of buff any other caster with a keyboard will immediately assume battle formations and tearspam either reddit or the forums and say something about Verraise. Just look at what happened with the mana glitch that was inflating a few peoples numbers on fflogs.

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It honestly frustrates me a bit lol. Summoners are up at #2 And #1 positions on basically every fight, with BLM at 3 or 4 usually...but God forbid RDM near the bottom of the list get any buffs.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

It honestly frustrates me a bit lol. Summoners are up at #2 And #1 positions on basically every fight, with BLM at 3 or 4 usually...but God forbid RDM near the bottom of the list get any buffs.

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Exactly. You know what they'll say though, "Oh but you're so good for progression". Yes but what about afterwards?