Patch 4.2

...better be titled "Housing Reborn", along with fully revamped instanced housing, one purchase per account, and in-game maintenance monthly fees.

If there is a cinematic cutscene involving a meteor, that will be even better.

Leave the smalls with a low maintenance. Mediums and Larges should be FC only, and 500k/1m per month at least.

Not everyone make a mil a month. Plus small not good enough if they doing instance there should be option to build on and make bigger. As for storyline omega world give perfect plot to instance housing.

If housing was instanced, why would you need monthly fees on top of that?

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Originally Posted by Jas710

If there is a cinematic cutscene involving a meteor, that will be even better.

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Lets drop the other moon XD

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

Leave the smalls with a low maintenance. Mediums and Larges should be FC only, and 500k/1m per month at least.

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NO and NO!

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Originally Posted by Hellstorm

Not everyone make a mil a month. Plus small not good enough if they doing instance there should be option to build on and make bigger. As for storyline omega world give perfect plot to instance housing.

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If you can afford to own a mansion, your FC can afford to pay 1M a month to keep it. Mediums should only be 500k, still doable spread out among a dozen or 20 people. Solo FC? Too bad. Pay up.

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Originally Posted by ArchangelSavior

NO and NO!

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Your logic and counterpoint are astounding.

Are people really hanging around their houses all the time, inviting friends, havin a tea party? cause i really don't understand why this topic needs so much attention. our fc has a medium house from back when it was introduced but all it does for me is a quick way to a summoning bell/market board without the traffic (and gil seller spam) of the main cities.

I even have a private room, but i don't even know why.

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

Leave the smalls with a low maintenance. Mediums and Larges should be FC only, and 500k/1m per month at least.

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Larges? That would probably be reasonable. Mediums? Yeah, no thanks...and no thanks for the "rent" too. Talk about asinine.

I can get behind that yeah

4.1 customer backlash is probably bigger than they anticipated and the problem isn't easy/quick to fix. If they want to make big changes to the housing system for patch 4.2 (which wouldn't have been part of the planned schedule) then it would significantly delay patch 4.2.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

4.1 customer backlash is probably bigger than they anticipated and the problem isn't easy/quick to fix. If they want to make big changes to the housing system for patch 4.2 (which wouldn't have been part of the planned schedule) then it would significantly delay patch 4.2.

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Then they better hop on it right away then. They should man up, insert a housing revamp now, and push everything on their development road map one version later.

The future is now.

Rent is a bad idea and saying players can only get a small with FCs getting medium and large is dumb. When I started my first FC in patch 2.2 and spent 3 straight months crafting to make gil to buy the medium FC house. If there was rent on it, I would have lost the house with in 5 months as I was tried of crafting plus the game was really slow at that time. I mean really what would you do charge rent to be in your FC to pay the rent fee? I am sure players would stop joining Fcs. as it stands FCs feel more like a collection of link shells that get buffs right now. SE has gutted most ever reason to be in an FC. The 45 day housing demolish which is currently off is dumb. What if someone is going to take a break from the game, they want their gil back and for this SE gets the house to relist in a way to prevent house flipping. SE should have an in game housing system to transfer a house to check for RMT and to put an end to flipping housing. It can be done if they wanted.

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Originally Posted by Millen1

Rent is a bad idea and saying players can only get a small with FCs getting medium and large is dumb.

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The maintenance fees don't have to be significant. It could be as low as 100 gil, for all i care. In other MMO's, they usually also give you the option of paying for multiple months in advance, and even past that there is a decent grace period to catch up. Of course, it's all made up by the devs, but it serves a couple of purposes: 1) It reminds you that you own a house, a check-in if you will. Demolition optional for the dev team. 2) it provides a gil sink to help balance the economy.

This is not some kind of radical new idea. It's been proven to be successful in almost every other mmo in the past DECADE or so.

I still think 4.1 should have been titled "Shirogane Extreme".

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Originally Posted by KelesK

I still think 4.1 should have been titled "Shirogane Extreme".

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I hate to imagine what Savage would be like.

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

Leave the smalls with a low maintenance. Mediums and Larges should be FC only, and 500k/1m per month at least.

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I like the idea of the smalls only being available as personal houses and Mediums/Larges being FCs only. The FC needs to have at least 10 members to purchase a plot would also stop everyone making a person FC to by pass it too. Just minus the rent scheme... Let's not do that on account of some FC not being great at making that much money in a short time.

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Originally Posted by Jas710

...better be titled "Housing Reborn", along with fully revamped instanced housing, one purchase per account, and in-game maintenance monthly fees.

If there is a cinematic cutscene involving a meteor, that will be even better.

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No cinematic meteor cutscenes promised, and likely not a full revamp but it seems there will be more houses in 4.2:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-in-Patch-4.1

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

No cinematic meteor cutscenes promised, and likely not a full revamp but it seems there will be more houses in 4.2:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-in-Patch-4.1

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Let's see how Yoshi P approaches it this time. Adding more wards is the obvious quick fix for now. Question will be, how will they roll it out, are they going to clean up the house-to-account ratio, and what they plan to do in the long-term. Otherwise, we'll just see another sad repeat performance.

I totally disagree with "rent". They're houses, not apartments. The point of housing is not for housing to turn over when people run out of money.

I can definitely get behind 1 house / account, though.

I cannot get behind "rent" on a house. the purchase is already pretty high in some cases.

but like many have said "1 house/1 acct/ all your characters share ownership per world" is something I would stand behind.

a reasonable rent (more like 10-100k, though this is subjective to your servers economy) deductible from an in game bank.. or your primary retainers held money so you can fill it for long away time I can get behind.


Large/med houses for FC only? Sorry no, I have bigger aspirations for decoration than the small house can accommodate.

I personally believe that, with the auto-demolish policy active, only honest active players will be punished should there be a rent (especially if it will be costly) system added. Those who can afford multiple houses obvious have access to RMT trades, therefore gil isn't an issue. For casual players, like me, who simply enjoy socializing and hanging out with friends, may have difficulty to regularly gather enough gils for the rent (call me lazy if you will, but this is one of the main reasons I remained subscribed for almost over 4 years without pause). Moreover, there are negative feedback from active players who continued to pay real money to extend their subscriptions in order to prevent their houses becoming demolished, despite the lack of playable content between major patches.

Of course, for house monopolizers, they simply do quick log-ins with their alts, pay the rent with RMT gils, log-off, and it would be business as usual for them.

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Originally Posted by Jas710

Then they better hop on it right away then. They should man up, insert a housing revamp now, and push everything on their development road map one version later.

The future is now.

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The response to the devs not having the manpower or budget to perform a massive overhaul that is UNSCHEDULED is that they should man up? You clearly have no clue about game development, nor do you care. I have read enough of this thread to understand that you would happily sacrifice the quality of 4.2 just to get a housing overhaul, and if that is not true then I'm sorry but you just sound entitled.

The housing crisis is a problem, but it is not a reason to be unrealistic with demands. The devs have limitations, and housing is a huge undertaking that has repeatedly missed the mark, 3 more months of development (conception to implementation) will hardly do the system justice with what you are asking for.

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Originally Posted by Hellstorm

Not everyone make a mil a month. Plus small not good enough if they doing instance there should be option to build on and make bigger. As for storyline omega world give perfect plot to instance housing.

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Not everyone makes a mil a month? That's ridiculous. If you're not making that much a month you're either not playing or not trying. Besides, if you own a house, a mil a month should be nothing.

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

Leave the smalls with a low maintenance. Mediums and Larges should be FC only, and 500k/1m per month at least.

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quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on the official forums

Instanced housing is an awful idea.
Rent is an awful idea.
A patch solely focused on housing is an awful idea.

Can you just stop?

Thanks for this. I will take it a step further even. Why is everyone so mad about housing in FFXIV? How is it a crisis? Ok, if there are people monopolizing houses with RMT gil, I get that. I truly get that. But there are aloooooot of people who earn their gil the right way and get their houses. They've earned their houses. Alot of the people complaining about housing and how hard it is to obtain are people that barely play and barely have any money? There are people who put in alot of time playing and have earned alot of gil, and when those people snatch up houses, everyone complains about how they couldnt get one, or how they were too expensive. I say if a house means that much to you, maybe you should put in the time and effort like others do, instead of complaining about how Square should just make a bunch more and just hand them out so everyone can have them.

If you play alot, have lots of gil, and are constantly looking to get a house, you have a leg to stand on. But there's people out there that have 1-5 mil, who play 1 day a week who complain and complain about housing this and that, and I just don't understand. You think you should just get one for nothing and no work? What fun is that? People will hate this RL comparison, but houses are earned and fought after there too. Pretty much what people are asking from Square with housing is for Government assistance. If everyone could have a house, the whole love for this game in the context of housing would go out the window for many players. The idea of a house being special right now is why everyone wants one. If everyone has one it's not unique anymore, and the game would suffer alot, I believe. It's not without it's flaws, but I think people are focused on the wrong things with it. Method of obtainment and requirements could be looked at, but amount and the price is just fine.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

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Just because people know how to make money doesn't mean they use RMT. Me and my wife make an average of a couple of mil a day and with the Shirogane Hunger games, we made around a hundred. Loads of Gil doesn't equal RMT.

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Originally Posted by LittleSparrow

Just because people know how to make money doesn't mean they use RMT. Me and my wife make an average of a couple of mil a day and with the Shirogane Hunger games, we made around a hundred. Loads of Gil doesn't equal RMT.

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This ^ I play the market and sitting on a nice 30mil just from playing the market, oh and minions.

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Originally Posted by LittleSparrow

Just because people know how to make money doesn't mean they use RMT. Me and my wife make an average of a couple of mil a day and with the Shirogane Hunger games, we made around a hundred. Loads of Gil doesn't equal RMT.

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Same here. 100% agree.

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Originally Posted by LittleSparrow

Just because people know how to make money doesn't mean they use RMT. Me and my wife make an average of a couple of mil a day and with the Shirogane Hunger games, we made around a hundred. Loads of Gil doesn't equal RMT.

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If doing things right with your time, you should get anywhere from 500k -3 million on a good day. Since Shirogane day, 3-10 million a day. I'm sure there are tons of people making even more.

Yes to instanced housing, no to everything else.
I bought my Large back when housing was sort of new, I paid like 90m for it (From the server, when prices were much higher for a plot). All legit earned through crafting/marketboard over about 6 months. Don't take that away from me, don't make me pay more per month. I use it more for me/my friends than a lot of FCs I know of. Some have 90+ members but they're mostly alts or people that quit the game back in early 3.x.

Can people please stop to always give bad ideas related to pay always more and more for everything in this game (cash shop or paying rents for housing for example).
Apartments are instancied without any rents or even demolition timers and it's good like this so they should do the same for houses (small size to buy and then you would be able to upgrade the size to M or L by buying expension permit like the housing permit to buid the house which is already in the game). Housing is a feature of the game that everyone should be able to enjoy and installing monthly rents is definitively a bad move imo.

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Originally Posted by Titor

Yes to instanced housing, no to everything else.
I bought my Large back when housing was sort of new, I paid like 90m for it (From the server, when prices were much higher for a plot). All legit earned through crafting/marketboard over about 6 months. Don't take that away from me, don't make me pay more per month.

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Yea this is a great point. If you make changes to make things easier for others, you're going to be screwing over a lot of hard work players put in for years. Probably cause more damage hurting hard core subscribers as opposed to helping new ones.

Imagine all the retroactive heartache to the people who have spent all this time and money for housing only to see it extremely mitigated because people are entitled to things for little to no work.

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Originally Posted by NoctisXV

Can people please stop to always give bad ideas related to pay always more and more for everything in this game (cash shop or paying rents for housing for example).
Apartments are instancied without any rents or even demolition timers and it's good like this so they should do the same for houses (small size to buy and then you would be able to upgrade the size to M or L by buying expension permit like the housing permit to buid the house which is already in the game). Housing is a feature of the game that everyone should be able to enjoy and installing monthly rents is definitively a bad move imo.

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Everyone should enjoy it, just like the game. But just like the game, you are rewarded for your time and effort. Everyone should be able to enjoy it, if they put in the effort required relative to others that want to enjoy it as well.

Why are we suggesting rent? Shouldn't the players be demanding housing options for every player. Every other mmo that has housing has enough for every player. The rent suggestions imply that they keep housing limited and only the wealthy should have a house. That is stupid. I already pay a monthly fee.....my subscription. Should they add monthly fees for raids and pvp too?

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Originally Posted by LittleSparrow

Just because people know how to make money doesn't mean they use RMT. Me and my wife make an average of a couple of mil a day and with the Shirogane Hunger games, we made around a hundred. Loads of Gil doesn't equal RMT.

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Yeah same here, my guy and I can make millions if we need to, it really isn't that hard at all.

And I really hope there is no monthly fee because I don't think it would really solve much, I also prefer the neighborhoods, so no instanced housing "only" either. SE made this mess, they can figure out how to fix it with keeping what we have. *shrug*

I keep hearing that we should remove housing from people who have multiple houses on the same account. I disagree with that since we don't know the details of every one who owns multiple houses and many people are assuming those with multiple houses are house flippers. I am of the opinion that, if SE were to implement a 1 house per account policy of some variation they should simply prohibit players with a house from purchasing more land until they meet the criteria of "Homelessness".

As for the rental fee. I could see the press release as this being the WoL paying his/her property tax every Eorzea year (2 weeks IRL). LOL