I'm kinda glad to be paying. Here is why...

I'm kind of excited about paying. I somehow have this notion, that by paying, we will get more content at a faster pace and patches will come quicker. Do you think there is any logic behind this thinking, or am I completely way off. Does anyone else feel this way?

Way off. They are already delivering content as fast as they possibly can. This sub isn't going to magically make them able to deliver it faster since they already had plenty of money to use without us paying before. Unless you are accusing them of being lazy or not having access to the resources they need right now? If so, you would have to prove you know the ins and outs of game development first-hand as well as have inside access to the FFXIV dev teams daily doings to convince us of the validity of that claim.

Nah, we're still getting content at the same rate as we were before. We just pay for it now.

The p2p does not effect content speed simply because at least to my knowledge they are not bringing in more devs. They already have a small army of people working on 2.0 and the existing 1.x version of the games.

Now the upcoming patches will probably have more content, but that is because alot of the major overhauls to the games foundations are coming to a close. Honestly Every update including 1.2 has been massive since this summer... the thing is there is alot more mechanic changes then there are content updates. Negative of overhauling a game. Now that those are slowing it seems, the time spend on that should be shifted to content instead. But I do not believe this has anything to do with paying.

P2P is simply added due to the fact that they feel as the game stands now... if you where to start you would have enough content to warrant paying for the game.

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Originally Posted by Lurex

I'm kind of excited about paying. I somehow have this notion, that by paying, we will get more content at a faster pace and patches will come quicker. Do you think there is any logic behind this thinking, or am I completely way off.

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Wish that's how it is but they did say even before paying subscription they are already working full on, seeing YoshiP posting at 3-4AM JP time also shows he's there working his butt off... so I dunno how much more you can push the devs to release content/patches faster as they also require at least 2 weeks QA testing before being released and such.

All I expect from the devs is to be honest as much as possible unlike the old dev team lying their butt off, I know so far YoshiP's been doing good on this part also so hope he keeps it up and once the development of the game starts getting completed want to hear more from other devs talking on the forums too.

Oh there is one major thing I do expect from the GM and Special Task Force though... lol once I report the damn RMT's to take quick action instead of doing nothing for months; that really pisses me off and since now we're paying they should do better job on this part and also expect more customer service from GM rather than auto response bull crap.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Honestly Every update including 1.2 has been massive since this summer... the thing is there is alot more mechanic changes then there are content updates. Negative of overhauling a game. Now that those are slowing it seems, the time spend on that should be shifted to content instead. But I do not believe this has anything to do with paying.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

P2P is simply added due to the fact that they feel as the game stands now... if you where to start you would have enough content to warrant paying for the game.

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I believe this is also correct, because hopefully SE understands that after the messy initial release of XIV they don't have a ton of room for mistakes with it going forward (conjecture on my part of course). I also imagine the small army of people working on the game may also factor into the decision to start charging--that's a lot of money going out with no incoming revenue--but who knows, maybe SE's financials are so awesome that this wasn't a prime element in the "when to start charging" equation.

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Originally Posted by Lurex

I'm kind of excited about paying. I somehow have this notion, that by paying, we will get more content at a faster pace and patches will come quicker. Do you think there is any logic behind this thinking, or am I completely way off. Does anyone else feel this way?

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The real benefit to paying is that we get to see the content as it is released, and those who never intended to pay...well...don't.

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Originally Posted by Lurex

I'm kind of excited about paying. I somehow have this notion, that by paying, we will get more content at a faster pace and patches will come quicker. Do you think there is any logic behind this thinking, or am I completely way off. Does anyone else feel this way?

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content will be delivered roughly in accordance with the ffxiv road map.


http://wdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/dow...Roadmap_EN.pdf

i know i read somewhere the content that leads up until 2.0 is exclusive only to players who keep playing.

I can see if they have another form of income coming in; they could use "this cash" to hire more contractors to help development and QA etc.

Not to say they don't have enough money, as it was stated earlier. (I don't know how their budget is at the moment, or how they are doing so far their fiscal)

For the corporation I work for, If there is more work and not enough peeps, they just buckle down and hire more and more contractors. Cheaper and easier, or so they think lol.

If they do outsource and don't keep the same folks, it may be hazardous.

(i.e. FF7's PSX to PC port).

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Originally Posted by Lurex

I'm kind of excited about paying. I somehow have this notion, that by paying, we will get more content at a faster pace and patches will come quicker. Do you think there is any logic behind this thinking, or am I completely way off. Does anyone else feel this way?

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they already posted a time line with what your getting for your money. basically it's less then a full blown dungeon in any mmo that comes out. even pvp based mmo's have dungeons where there is 12bosses all in one dungeon. you not even getting that. you getting 2 dungeons(unknown if they are both rank 50?) and a few burning circle summoner fights. that is really all in real content. ....ffxi's mini expansions had more content then that and they were just 10bucks to buy, and probably a few pennies from my pocket to help make. ... your paying to keep playing on there servers, your paying for a few trinkets and a storyline that anyone who cares will just youtube and watch later. ...really your just paying... for there development and there mistakes. lets not delude ourselves. people keep seeing final fantasy when they should be seeing a hole bunch of fat old greedy dudes with mansions and a large bill for hookers and drugs and many divorces. :)

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Originally Posted by weeble

they already posted a time line with what your getting for your money. basically it's less then a full blown dungeon in any mmo that comes out. even pvp based mmo's have dungeons where there is 12bosses all in one dungeon. you not even getting that. you getting 2 dungeons(unknown if they are both rank 50?) and a few burning circle summoner fights. that is really all in real content. ....ffxi's mini expansions had more content then that and they were just 10bucks to buy, and probably a few pennies from my pocket to help make. ... your paying to keep playing on there servers, your paying for a few trinkets and a storyline that anyone who cares will just youtube and watch later. ...really your just paying... for there development and there mistakes. lets not delude ourselves. people keep seeing final fantasy when they should be seeing a hole bunch of fat old greedy dudes with mansions and a large bill for hookers and drugs and many divorces. :)

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Is a post like this really necessary? What don't you understand about the idea that they have to first rebuild the fundamentals of the game before they can move onto content?

FFXI add-ons came well into the games maturity, literally years after the fundamentals in place. By setting unrealistic expectations about what should be coming each patch you set yourself up for disappointment. Or perhaps you're just a sadist?

Newsflash: this game is well in the red financially speaking. It will continue to be for some time into the foreseeable future, barring an extremely successful PS3 release. Whether or not its warranted is not what I'm debating. But don't "delude" yourself into thinking that your monthly fee directly goes into the pockets of some fatcat. It goes towards the company, and this project, and a small, negligible percentage of that might defuse down to shareholders (and perhaps executives, if they own shares).

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

content will be delivered roughly in accordance with the ffxiv road map.


http://wdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/dow...Roadmap_EN.pdf

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FINAL FANTASY XIV - Simplified Roadmap for Version 2.0 Development (2011-2013)

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That roadmap is strictly for 2.0, not for 1.X. Notice things like Linkshell, Battle, Leves, Character Motion, AI, NPCs, Login System and whatnot are on there. Things that exist in 1.X.

derp to you is all i have left to say, your points go to irrelevants to what i stated. my statements are very necessary it's how the 90% of the player base that left and is leaving feel. it's a reminder to the fishbowl of fans that are left that your tool bags that make excuses up for people to trample all over you.

if they are in red ast's from there mistakes, we can go back and forth all day long and my opinions won't change about the good the bad and the ugly of what happen to ffxiv. who cares ...

it's still the only facts, they launched early, they charging early, the game wasn't and won't be ready. the wear when and the why...well you can try to defend it all you want. but you can't, you can just ignore it or make excuses for it. or swim around the turd in the pool. i for one don't mind picking it up and tossing it at there faces.

also if this was any other mmo but final fantasy this convo wouldn't even be happening ...the game would of died out already. so look at all the other mmo's that have done what they have done, that is the answer right there to how people feel about it. this game is just getting a second chance no other has really gotten cause of it's name and large fan base and fat pockets.... fat pockets.