Egi Glamour Update

Patch 4.1 is coming, and we saw nothing regarding them. Yoshi-P said that odd patches would have more "new" content compared to even patches. This is something we were promised 2 years ago, before Heavensward launched; not the glamour system itself but new egis.

Are we mad? understanding? do we hope 4.15/4.2 will have more than one egi to make up for these issues?

What do people think?

Toby (Topaz Carbuncle[Carby]) is cute and all but I'd like other options now.

I feel like they will start throwing "we gave you Bahamut" to not honor their word of 1 egi per patch.

I kinda gave up on SMN, but I always wished I could use the primal minions in place of the corresponding egis.

As much as I would love to see some new egi's, I kinda feel like the devs should focus on fixing the mess that they made with the 4.0 changes to SMN. To be honest, those promised new egi's have gotten the same treatment as roaming primals at this point. If I remember correctly, their excuse was waiting until it fit into the lore/story.

Also, as both the devs and everyone else has stated, they've worked themselves into a corner with SMN and SCH and don't know what to do with it. As it seems right now, their best option would be to start over from scratch, rebuilding both SMN and SCH into their own separate jobs and getting rid of Arcanist all together. Which means, we might not see SMN and SCH truly shine until an expansion or two down the line if they so choose to go that route. But as far as the egi's go, we know that the model for Ramuh egi is there, it's Shiva and beyond that I don't believe we've seen an egi model for yet. Only other thing I can think of is that maybe Ramuh, Shiva, and whatever other primals they choose to make into smn pets end up getting the Bahamut treatment, meaning we may not see them until 5.xx series or beyond.

I'm ok with just carbuncles. I'm happy I don't have to see the floating turd anymore.

I want this:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3715/...3808226b_o.jpg

I don't care much otherwise!...

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I feel like they will start throwing "we gave you Bahamut" to not honor their word of 1 egi per patch.

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When was that said?

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I feel like they will start throwing "we gave you Bahamut" to not honor their word of 1 egi per patch.

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They said new egi glamours would be added with future patches, which doesn't mean they'll add a new egi glamour with every patch.

Yes please. There should be more at this point, especially considering there are already some models in the game we could be using.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

I kinda gave up on SMN, but I always wished I could use the primal minions in place of the corresponding egis.

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Pretty sure they gave up on it too. They don't seem to know what they want it to be. As to the topic, I wish they wouldn't have gimped themselves by making Egis instead of making actual summons. So egi glamours are a bandaid fix at best, imo.

How about they actually fix the job first before they work on cosmetics?

A̶l̶s̶o̶ ̶d̶e̶l̶e̶t̶e̶ ̶E̶g̶i̶s̶

No more Egi Glam please. There's more important things to be focusing on than dressing a pet.

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Originally Posted by Mature

No more Egi Glam please. There's more important things to be focusing on than dressing a pet.

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The huge amount of dev time it would take to use existing egi model, scale and add them to a function they already developped for carbuncle glam...

Also at that point quite a few people would be fine if they just gave us the option to glam the primals minion over the thing.

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Originally Posted by CodeAscalon

I can't believe people still want egi glamours. I'd rather have some new summons like bahamut, fighting alongside you for few seconds. They can work much better with this kind of concept than the one we currently have. Carbuncles are cute and stuff but still having to rely und such a clunky non-responding pet is not the summoner I want to have.

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10 mins later you open an own thread because you didn't succeed in the other? okay. Well I just can repeat myself by saying this ^

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

How about they actually fix the job first before they work on cosmetics?

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yes pls..

Gief Shiva-Egi... Could easily make it different for the different summons as she uses different weapons.

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Originally Posted by Mature

No more Egi Glam please. There's more important things to be focusing on than dressing a pet.

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Yes like making a better screenshot function so that you look as best as possible in the game...I mean its completely subjective what is important in this game and its not like they did something big with the glamour system..I mean the carbuncles are still using the old skills of the egis so they are just a skin. We already have some other egis in game (the ones that are fighting on the side of their primal) and theoretically they could simply give them the look of the pets..They once promised us more egis and did not deliver on that thus why we finally got that glamour system in HW which was not really that complex anyway. After that they promised more egis in patches, so we kinda are just reminding them of their promise. ;)

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Originally Posted by Alleo

After that they promised more egis in patches, so we kinda are just reminding them of their promise. ;)

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Seems kinda silly to already feel like reminding them of something, just because 1 patch doesn't contain an egi glamour (and yes, I do consider Bahamut as a new "egi", albeit one that's up temporarily).

They could add one in 4.3 or 4.4, and it'd still fulfill their promise.

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Originally Posted by CodeAscalon

10 mins later you open an own thread because you didn't succeed in the other?

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Didn't succeed in the other one?

I responded with my opinion about patch notes in a thread about patch notes. I wanted to get people's opinions on a specific topic (egi glamours), so I created a new thread for a new topic. Why would I try and derail a thread for a seperate topic.

Like really?

Oh and hey in response to what you said about new summons, doesn't that correlate with egi glamours... huh.

I don't understand why people are at odds over Egi Glamours...People are acting as if it has to be one thing (Egi) or the other (Demi-Bahamut). But that's never been the case. It's perfectly plausible to have both the Egi, with a whole plethora of glamours. As well as Demi-Bahamut and other Summons like him. Personally I adore Demi-Bahamut! He encapsulates everything about what a Summon is, and is definitely the greatest addition to Summoner. I have read some people on here and on Reddit request that glamours get introduced to Demi-Bahamut. So that we can glamour him into any of the Primals. Which I think is a great idea. But I also kinda like the fact that Demi-Bahamut is special. He is an Elder Primal after all. So I feel he would always need to be a special, more powerful type of Summon in order to reflect that.

I love my Egi just as much though! I like the fact we can have some type of permanent Summon out, that functions like a pet. So I will always champion the Egi and their glamours! I am really hoping more Egi glamours are announced soon. I have been slowly building up a Summon macro book (classic FFXI style) so that I can switch between all the glamours on the fly and Summon them instantly. That may sound kinda silly. But I really enjoy building up that macro book, and I really hope I can fill it up with an Egi glamour of every single Primal. It's just a personal goal of mine.

I mentioned this to someone and they sorta liked the idea of all around glamours. Basically, the minor Primals like Ifrit, Titan, Shiva, Ramuh, Garuda, and Leviathan, become glamours for summon I/II/III, but we'd also get glamours for Bahamut, like Odun, Alexander, the Triad, etc. This way we can pick which Primal we want at any given time. The glamours for the basic summons would require some work so they can fit each role, but the other summons would be easier by comparison.

But if something like this happens, the abilities would need to be renamed to like Grand Summon and Grand Enkindle or something. Grand Summon works, as its a shout out to FFX, but not sure about the other Enkindle skill.

Don't get me wrong. SMN is one of my favorite classes of the game. I played Warlock on WoW from 2008 to 2015, so it just feels all too familiar to me. The summoned demons of that game weren't that much bigger than the egis of today, so it all works out. And while stuff like Leviathan egi and Ravana egi would be interesting... DOES NO ONE REMEMBER THIS GUY!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSMJRnanSlM

I mean, holy crap, Yuna just dragged a great old one up from Hades itself to serve her! And then had its bottom half break free of its bonds and punch the living tar out of that thing! AND THEN collapsed the entire dark dimension on it! I tell you, if we could bust out stuff like that as a limit break in Savage content, it'd take it from a true challenge to farming fodder PDQ.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Didn't succeed in the other one?

I responded with my opinion about patch notes in a thread about patch notes. I wanted to get people's opinions on a specific topic (egi glamours), so I created a new thread for a new topic. Why would I try and derail a thread for a seperate topic.

Like really?

Oh and hey in response to what you said about new summons, doesn't that correlate with egi glamours... huh.

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No it certainly doesn't. Your answer shows me that you have either no clue of smn's issues or are just too ignorant, because you want everybody to know about your super inventive idea. well yoshida himself once said that there could be coming new glamours, BUT, if you read the relevant threads about his balancing issues you would know that glamours for egis would a) Not rlly fit into the role they are given and b) this would be the last thing they would work on since there are so many complaints about this job. So just no.

Oh and btw, with summons I mean classic style summons, spontaneous ones. and not pets

Well, I mean first we were told we are getting new Egi's..then glamours at 3.0 because..whatever reason they gave, and then the glamours didnt come till the very end...heh see the pattern? I am not holding my breath >.>; I'm sure if Yoshida could put in everything he would but I guess they have priorities and it seems like SMN isn't really one.

yeah I thought they'd add some more glamors by now, even just more color options for the carbuncle. with none in 4.0 and 4.1 and mini patches in-between, that's a lot of time off.

a friend said they want to replace bahamut with nael deus darnus and it got me thinking..... since they are adding a setting to independently change summon display options on the client side (for bahamut size)... could you have more complex and detailed character models as summons without impacting other users... like select a 'simple' option that shows small, low poly egis to suit system spec and preference, while people who want to command something that looks like a full garuda instead of garuda-egi could do that?

Just give us these...
Easiest solution of all, they even have attack animations on them so it takes 0 effort to add
https://i.imgur.com/f1immGL.jpg

Minions and pets aren't really animated the same way.

However, we do have models of 2 other carbuncle colors (white and black) that are also animated as Alphinaud uses them, yet for some reason they wont implement them. There are also egi models created for Ramuh and Sephirot meaning the only thing they would have to do is recolor the particles of summon I II and III.

I like summon over Egi myself

the truth we don't know what we want when come to summoner

some want Egi other want all summons

I personal want 5 carbruncles and five summons

if every player that play summoner agree one thing about the summons and how we want I think they do what we want

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

I like summon over Egi myself

the truth we don't know what we want when come to summoner

some want Egi other want all summons


I personal want 5 carbruncles and five summons

if every player that play summoner agree one thing about the summons and how we want I think they do what we want

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You're right savagelf
Anything that doesn't look like this
http://i.imgur.com/s1MGZvX.png

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

I want this:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3715/...3808226b_o.jpg

I don't care much otherwise!...

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Here you go! :D

As far as Egi glamours go, I see everyone running around with Carbuncle to the point I'm pleased to see a Garuda-egi or Ifrit-egi.

I would love see summon replace the Egi

or a trait that give you 5 carbruncles and when you get enough point kind like Dreaddragon is replace the carbruncle with a summon respentive the carbruncles

ruby Carbruncle remove for field and you summon Ifrit.
emareld Carbruncle remove for the Field and is replace by Garuda kind like bahamut

While I miss my ffxi avatars I'd much much rather have them fix the mess they made of SMN in SB.

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Originally Posted by CodeAscalon

No it certainly doesn't. Your answer shows me that you have either no clue of smn's issues or are just too ignorant, because you want everybody to know about your super inventive idea. well yoshida himself once said that there could be coming new glamours, BUT, if you read the relevant threads about his balancing issues you would know that glamours for egis would a) Not rlly fit into the role they are given and b) this would be the last thing they would work on since there are so many complaints about this job. So just no.

Oh and btw, with summons I mean classic style summons, spontaneous ones. and not pets

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Wow you got me, I am bested (slow clap)

But in all seriousness just stop, cause you haven't shown yourself to be proving your case, but rather beating a dead horse. Because:
1) As you can see by my info I main SCH, so anything that involves updates to the Arcanist base class and all its affiliates, ie SMN, are of interest to me; that and SMN being my primary or secondary DPS since 2.x
2) The "Super Inventive Idea" that you say I want "everyone" to know about wasn't even mentioned until someone reminded me of it, well after your initial comment.
3) You don't know what I have read about SMN, but the fact remains the issues they are fixing are recent compared to the glamour system and egis/summons we were promised 2-4 years ago.
4) The whole reason we were told about the system was because of the initial balancing issues, not the new ones, and yes while we know its not a major concern now we as the player base would like to think they were working on it in small dose for these 2-4 years.
5) Summons: Classic, Egi, Demi-Bahamut, whatever, all relates to this issue as the whole reason we were told about the glamour system was because, as you said so yourself...

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Originally Posted by CodeAscalon

...Not rlly fit into the role they are given...

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Now please, this thread was started just to ask people what they thought about the Summons, because of the info we've been given in the past and the lack of info for this upcoming patch. You are free to give your opinion on this topic in any shape or form, but please, I would appreciate not trying to single me out for my own opinion or ideas just because you feel I am trying to get attention, which I am not.

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Originally Posted by SoloWingMetatron

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this has being going on since 1,0. People think that if they work on 1 item, it takes away another. People still haven't realize different teams work on all aspects of ff14. like the dungeon team isn't doing egi glamour.

they also feel it is a waste of resources better spent on their favored content.

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Originally Posted by CodeAscalon

Oh and btw, with summons I mean classic style summons, spontaneous ones. and not pets

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ff10 they were a pet, built a age then use their limit break.

ff11 they were pets as well.

ff14 stems a lot from ff11 if you didn't know.

Well, it's still art, modeling, animation, UI elements, a certain amount of programming, and then possibly some new sound design. That's multible teams.

Carbuncles were very easy to implement by comparison since everything was already completed save for the commands that swap out the models.

Proper Egi glamours that replace one Primal themed pet with an entirely new one takes so much more effort. And while art side can put the time in, the part of the team that handles the actual implementation may not have the spare manpower to allocate right now.

So, unless it is so fervently desired we don't EVER shut up about it (IE, every pet job player immediately decrying the loss of Sustain), SE might not notice.

So we need to keep on requesting them.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

Well, it's still art, modeling, animation, UI elements, a certain amount of programming, and then possibly some new sound design. That's multible teams.

Carbuncles were very easy to implement by comparison since everything was already completed save for the commands that swap out the models.

Proper Egi glamours that replace one Primal themed pet with an entirely new one takes so much more effort. And while art side can put the time in, the part of the team that handles the actual implementation may not have the spare manpower to allocate right now.

So, unless it is so fervently desired we don't EVER shut up about it (IE, every pet job player immediately decrying the loss of Sustain), SE might not notice.

So we need to keep on requesting them.

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still egi glam isn't taking away from dungeon content. which was the point of the post.

I\\'m sooo sure the art department has their hands full working on job fixes...

/s....


You people... The "fix the job instead of making more egi" is the stupidest thing I\\'ve Hearn in a while, different group of people working on it designs than working on class actions/balances.

I have been waiting for new egi since before... 2.2 or so... Originally they promised us "oh yeah, we plan to give you a Levi egi and a ramu egi and a Shiva egi, we think it would be cool...." Then it was "oh well the 3 egi really cover the bases and when we do new ones we want them to have a use so give us time to figure out a use for each one"

at one point it was "well it\'s unfair to give smn new skills like adding egi and not giving other classes something too"
Then it's "oh well we decided that we're just gonna give you glamor of ramu Levi Shiva and other egi"
And then at like 3.x it's "well here a few recolor of carby instead of new egi like we promised years ago before Heavensward even came out."



So Ive been waiting, and waiting, and waiting. Every time we got a primal I was all "oh Yay, maybe they\'ll finally release the egi... Or at least the glamor."

It's time they start doing what they said they would years ago back in 2.x and give us our other primal egi. I don\'t care if they are glamor or not. I want to be able to pull out a ramu egi zone or a Leviathan egi, or Shiva,.. You get the picture.

Far too long they dragged smn along with empty words...

Hmmm, makes me wonder if in 5.0 we'll get new egi. Probably will get a new egi glamour in later patches, but I'm still at least a little hopeful for a new egi or two at some point. ^^

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

this has being going on since 1,0. People think that if they work on 1 item, it takes away another. People still haven't realize different teams work on all aspects of ff14. like the dungeon team isn't doing egi glamour.

they also feel it is a waste of resources better spent on their favored content.

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This is true. I just find it very silly is all. Of course it's only natural that different people love different things about a job. For example I love the Egi and Demi-Bahamut. But I know other people who prefer the DoT's and instant nuke abilities (Fester, Painflare). However the truth of the matter is that all of these things can coexist and will continue to be developed as the job progresses.

I see a couple comments on this thread of people seemingly asking for the Carbuncles to just replace the Egi all together. Which is fine if you prefer the Carbuncles. But suggesting for the Egi to be removed for them makes no sense. The systems the Carbuncles and the Egi use are the same thing. Both utilize the exact same pet system. The Egi glamours already allow you to change every current Egi into a Carbuncle. I also assume that when other Egi glamours are released, that more Carbuncles will be released alongside them as a counterpart (Ramuh Egi/Amethyst Carbuncle for example). Which just facilitates my whole point that we can have all of these things WITHOUT having to ask for other things to be deleted.

If people want more Summons like Demi-Bahamut, I totally support that. If people want more Carbuncles, I totally support that too. And if there are people like me who also want these things and more Egi glamours. Then obviously I'm going to champion that also. All of these things are helping to build up Summoner and expand the amount of limited Summons we have. People should be coming together and supporting anything that helps expand on the jobs main theme. Summoning! Instead of being selfish and immature..