Veteran Rewards rework (All prior requirements reduced)

Now this... this was unexpected.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...f0d5dc926e72db

From the sound it, everyone who has reached the newly reduced requirement will receive the outfits immediately. Example being if you've passed 330 days, you'll have the Leon Coat as of 4.1.

Well, okay. Does this mean we can have new veteran rewards now?

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

Well, okay. Does this mean we can have new veteran rewards now?

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I suspect they will continue with campaigns similar to the Falcon mount from now on.

can i buy the Ultimate Savage Weapon from Jonathas too?

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I suspect they will continue with campaigns similar to the Falcon mount from now on.

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Not so bad, but we'll still have the problem of newer players being unable to participate on older campaigns - I'm not sure what purpose this would serve, unless they repeat the campaigns every year or every other year.

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

Not so bad, but we'll still have the problem of newer players being unable to participate on older campaigns - I'm not sure what purpose this would serve, unless they repeat the campaigns every year or every other year.

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they can buy the stuff in the mog shop of course...

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Originally Posted by Tint

they can buy the stuff in the mog shop of course...

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They'll put the old campaign stuff in the mog station.

Or the achievement points thing with Johanas they mentioned. They did say all the old awards would be receivable in game

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

Not so bad, but we'll still have the problem of newer players being unable to participate on older campaigns - I'm not sure what purpose this would serve, unless they repeat the campaigns every year or every other year.

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I would not be be suprised to see the campaigns return or sold at the Mog Station next year.

It's not surprising. Everything in this game gets nerfed at some point. Being a long term vet rewards were a way of showing the fact that people were in fact subbed for a long time. It was a recognition of sorts to have those rewards.

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Originally Posted by Lumina

Seriously Square Enix? So much for "here's a special thank you for being a great customer for over 4 years".

You know I really didn't want to accept Limit Break Radios opinion that SE doesn't care about their long term player base and continue to only focus on attempts to pull new people in, sometimes at the expense of the experience of their long term players, but time and time again they continue to prove the theory right with their actions. I'm disgusted.

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I can't help but agree with this, I see the sense in why they made these changes but they needed to sugar coat this a lot better or maybe add something to people who already had the higher tiers, like gold chocobo feathers or something

It's been a massively loud complaint (particularly in the JP fanbase) that the veteran rewards were getting way too ridiculous to earn, and at the rate it was going, the next reward would be pushing 6 consecutive YEARS of being subbed.

Also, it was always a bit hypocritical that Yoshi-P was fine with players coming and going (subbing on patch months, for example) to the poimt he encouraged it so to avoid burnout and to enjoy other things, yet the game had items that were impossible to earn without a very long standing and continuous subscription.

We olbies are getting grandfathered in with our current time, so we get everything just the same and any items we hadn't earned under the old system we would've under the new one.

This is better.

Also, there is a breif mention of "veteran points" in the article, so it appears a chocobo feather like system is being implemented, and is likely how the other, missing rewards are now earned.

I was only 30 days from the Leonhart outfit, so...this works for me. 20 days sooner now by the looks of it.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I suspect they will continue with campaigns similar to the Falcon mount from now on.

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Hmm.... I never even received the falcon mount though, despite being subbed non stop since June 2015. I don't really want it so it doesn't bother me yet but what if they add something I DO want. I don't like this new method bc apparently it's flawed and I most likely won't receive any of the items.

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

Hmm.... I never even received the falcon mount though, despite being subbed non stop since June 2015. I don't really want it so it doesn't bother me yet but what if they add something I DO want. I don't like this new method bc apparently it's flawed and I most likely won't receive any of the items.

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Well, they should be going out tomorrow in the second wave.

The main part I'm curious about is how the AP as a currency will work. It seems like a bad decision to use it as a direct currency which will decrease your number of AP...that just invites so many more problems. Maybe X amount of AP will unlock the ability to buy it with Gil from Johanas or the Calamity Salvager? Or perhaps once you reach a certain amount of AP its automatically rewarded the same way achievement rewards are?

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

The main part I'm curious about is how the AP as a currency will work. It seems like a bad decision to use it as a direct currency which will decrease your number of AP...that just invites so many more problems. Maybe X amount of AP will unlock the ability to buy it with Gil from Johanas or the Calamity Salvager? Or perhaps once you reach a certain amount of AP its automatically rewarded the same way achievement rewards are?

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It's too early to tell since we know next to nothing about it. Here's hoping it'll be a decent system though.

Wow, I am even more disgusted now after I noticed that more and more Shop exclusive Items were released.

Coming from AION the veteran Rewards here compared are really really cheap. And now they want to make them available to all on top of that? Really?

Cannot even find the words to discribe how disgusted I am.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

The main part I'm curious about is how the AP as a currency will work. It seems like a bad decision to use it as a direct currency which will decrease your number of AP...that just invites so many more problems. Maybe X amount of AP will unlock the ability to buy it with Gil from Johanas or the Calamity Salvager? Or perhaps once you reach a certain amount of AP its automatically rewarded the same way achievement rewards are?

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It's too early to tell since we know next to nothing about it. Here's hoping it'll be a decent system though.

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I have a feeling it will be a system like "You have X achievement points, here is a list of items you can get for free from me". If you actually spend the AP...then it would be kind of dumb since people would eventually run out(if they do all the achievements) of AP if they bring out new items(unless new achievements they add give 500+ AP per).

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Originally Posted by Tyl

Wow, I am even more disgusted now after I noticed that more and more Shop exclusive Items were released.

Coming from AION the veteran Rewards here compared are really really cheap. And now they want to make them available to all on top of that? Really?

Cannot even find the words to discribe how disgusted I am.

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What a strange attitude.
Old veterans get to keep all the items they have gained. New players have an opportunity to get them quicker without having to wait several years. Nobody loses anything.
What's to dislike?

If you thought that gaining rewards for being subscribed umpteen months somehow made you "special", think again. It didn't.

You know it's bad when the first thing that comes to mind is that's more inventory space being taken up >.<

You know I would be fine if they would have cut down the days a bit for the last two because four years are a long time but to cut them down that much? They also could have given people who reach a certain amount of days a voucher where they could have chosen one of the outfits as a rewards, thus if you are not interested in the Cloud one you could get the Squall one earlier..this would give people the chance to get their favorite costume a lot earlier but still leave the big amount of days in total if you want all of them.

I mean they are called Veteran rewards for a reason and should have been a thank you for staying with the game for a long time..isnt that what should be important? That people stay? Now with the new kind of rewards you can just pay a certain amount of days in a certain amount of time and get it..there is no real reward for sticking with it all the time...

Seems like it was bad idea to even have a veteran reward in the first place, seeing how obsessed people are about pixels nowadays it would have been better idea to give nothing. I got rank 14 few days ago and i simply don't care if they get easier or even removed, there are more important things in this game that needs attention than some lameass veteran rewards. Entitled cunts killed WoW so do a favor and quit before you kill this game as well.

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Originally Posted by Synestra

Seems like it was bad idea to even have a veteran reward in the first place, seeing how obsessed people are about pixels nowadays it would have been better idea to give nothing. I got rank 14 few days ago and i simply don't care if they get easier or even removed, there are more important things in this game that needs attention than some lameass veteran rewards. Entitled cunts killed WoW so do a favor and quit before you kill this game as well.

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Yes it was a mistake to have veteran rewards. It is a mistake in every game because people get butthurt if they get changed or are faster to archieve. It always seems that people don't pay their subs because they like the game, its more that they pay the sub to get outfits that will gather dust in their retainer.

I bet 90% of the people who complain about that don't even use that stuff in any way.

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Originally Posted by Ilyrian

You know it's bad when the first thing that comes to mind is that's more inventory space being taken up >.<

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But they go in the armoire when you're not using them.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

Yes it was a mistake to have veteran rewards. It is a mistake in every game because people get butthurt if they get changed or are faster to archieve.

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The answer to that isn't to not have them, it's to not change them. If people want the rewards to be easier to get, then make the next ones easier to get, while leaving the current ones alone. They missed a great opportunity when SB released to have a new set based on time subscribed since June 20th of this year, or time subscribed since adding SB to your account. (Well, I guess they could still do that based on any date, but release of an expansion would have been the obvious one.)

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

But they go in the armoire when you're not using them.



The answer to that isn't to not have them, it's to not change them. If people want the rewards to be easier to get, then make the next ones easier to get, while leaving the current ones alone. They missed a great opportunity when SB released to have a new set based on time subscribed since June 20th of this year, or time subscribed since adding SB to your account. (Well, I guess they could still do that based on any date, but release of an expansion would have been the obvious one.)

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Since you seem to be one of the people who are not amused. Do you even use the outfits? I personaly don't care if someone gets an outfit, for what it took me quite a while to get it, now faster. For me the rewards are a free little extra on top of my sub that i pay for the game that i like and not something for what i pay my sub.

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

Hmm.... I never even received the falcon mount though, despite being subbed non stop since June 2015. I don't really want it so it doesn't bother me yet but what if they add something I DO want. I don't like this new method bc apparently it's flawed and I most likely won't receive any of the items.

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I have not gotten mine either and my husband got his today. Only reason I can conclude for me is that I got a character to level 30 (one I created for the Lalafell March) and when I was to be billed they added time due to meeting that requirement. If that Is the case it's rather unfair since I have been subbed this entire time.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

Do you even use the outfits? I personaly don't care if someone gets an outfit, for what it took me quite a while to get it, now faster.

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The Wild Rose Cuirass has been my NIN glamour ever since I got it a couple years ago. (I found it coordinates really well with the Ninja AF1 pants, boots, and gloves, at least the male version of them.) A few of the other pieces I wear from time to time on an alt. Some I've never used.

And I don't care when other people get them, either. It doesn't affect what I've got, and I've got all of them except the falcon mount.

(If they hadn't included "Newly created characters on the same account will continue to receive any items for which they were eligible prior to the update", then I'd be upset about this. But they did, so I'm not.)

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

The Wild Rose Cuirass has been my NIN glamour ever since I got it a couple years ago. (I found it coordinates really well with the Ninja AF1 pants, boots, and gloves, at least the male version of them.) A few of the other pieces I wear from time to time on an alt. Some I've never used.

And I don't care when other people get them, either. It doesn't affect what I've got, and I've got all of them except the falcon mount.

(If they hadn't included "Newly created characters on the same account will continue to receive any items for which they were eligible prior to the update", then I'd be upset about this. But they did, so I'm not.)

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I still don't see any reason for people to get upset because of this minor stuff. Its common that these changes are made its the same as if people would complain that primal mounts drop more often or can be bought with tokens after a while, but there its fine because they have a advantage. Maybe people who farmed them before the nerfs should complain all the time too then. :D

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Originally Posted by Laerune

I would not be be suprised to see the campaigns return or sold at the Mog Station next year.

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I think it will show up in the achievement shop at some time instead of the mog shop.

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Originally Posted by Ilyrian

You know it's bad when the first thing that comes to mind is that's more inventory space being taken up >.<

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all vet gears are storeable in the armoire

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Originally Posted by Lumina

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MMO's are constantly evolving, It's incredibly naive to think that from a business perspective they aren't going to prioritize bringing in newer players over people that have been playing the game for years. New and up and coming players will always be the priority, which is a difficult pill to swallow for people. Outside of people who spend money on the mogstation, they aren't making more money off players who are already subscribed to the game. They are a business, you make more money by attracting more people, more people=more money, more money=better/higher quality products/services they can provide, which benefits both veterans and newer players. The veteran rewards are not that big of a deal, It's not like square is handing out Super Savage/Ultimate weapons for subscribing for your first month, they are cosmetics and let's be real, how many people that have them do anything with them besides letting them rot in their armoire? I think being "disgusted" about a change that we all saw coming eventually is being a tad overdramatic. You'll be fine, promise.