Alt + Tab yes please :D

i dunno about the rest of you playing xiv but I sure would like to be able to Alt + Tab to the desktop with the game crashing.

I doubt this will ever-ever get fixed, its still a problem in XI. Its most likely why they dont have in-game options for a lot of graphical adjustments because the game cannot re-render.

Just play the game in windowed mode at your preferred resolution. Besides the window bar at the top, it's identical to the full screen setting.

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Originally Posted by viion

I doubt this will ever-ever get fixed, its still a problem in XI. Its most likely why they dont have in-game options for a lot of graphical adjustments because the game cannot re-render.

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Final Fantasy XI was a port from the PS2 to the PC which then was ported to the 360 -- it wasn't rewritten for the PC.

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Originally Posted by Elaguila

Just play the game in windowed mode at your preferred resolution. Besides the window bar at the top, it's identical to the full screen setting.

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the windowed isnt exactly great either due to the fact if u put it on 1920x1080 resolution on a 1920x1080 monitor the very bottom of the screen is not going to be visible, and since the windowed version doesnt have a working maximize/minimize button you are completely helpless to this problem.

Yes this would be a nice feature, i like to play in full screan mode but now that means im locked into my game.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Final Fantasy XI was a port from the PS2 to the PC which then was ported to the 360 -- it wasn't rewritten for the PC.

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and XIV is practically a console port too with the way its designed. But even a port can be fixed up :S they just dont know how to nore care?

i endorse this. Fullscreen help minimize processor and gpu work (it don't need to render the desktop and everything) resulting in better performance, too bad can't be tabbed :| hope in a fix for that, but my experience in ffxi tell that'll be looong

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Originally Posted by Sirrush

the windowed isnt exactly great either due to the fact if u put it on 1920x1080 resolution on a 1920x1080 monitor the very bottom of the screen is not going to be visible, and since the windowed version doesnt have a working maximize/minimize button you are completely helpless to this problem.

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Not to mention the quality drop is quite significant.

please add this, I play in 3d (which requires fullscreen mode) and can't access the web for crafting recipes and such while I play. It's seriously annoying.

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Originally Posted by viion

and XIV is practically a console port too with the way its designed. But even a port can be fixed up :S they just dont know how to nore care?

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If we learned anything from FFXI for PC, they never wanted to support alt+tab. Windowed mode is 'slightly' imperfect due to the windows bars on the screen, but honestly.. whoopdee-doo..

The only reason that i could see people having performance issues with running windowed mode is playing on a lower end system.

It would be an easier investment to have a small tablet or a smartphone hooked up to a Wifi connection and use it for keeping recipe's up and whatnot if you really find it that troubling.

To go further. If you can afford dual GTX / Radeon cards and 3d vision kits to play in 3d, it would be silly to now retort you cannot afford a $150-200 tablet

Windowed mode + Gamers Window Relocator = be happy

Google for Gamers Window Relocator and your problems with borders are gone

Since SE is lazy and will never implement Alt+Tab, the solution to the problem is to run FFXIV through Steam. When you switch to the steam overlay, there is a web-browser available.

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Originally Posted by MagicofGaia

To go further. If you can afford dual GTX / Radeon cards and 3d vision kits to play in 3d, it would be silly to now retort you cannot afford a $150-200 tablet

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I do have 3D vision running, I also have a laptop, but running my laptop just for recipes seems so unnecessary.

I know ffxi didn't support this and I know there are many things I can do to avoid this but I also would like to see Alt+Tab implemented. It doesn't seem like that big of a deal to put in place to me.

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Originally Posted by Critter

I know ffxi didn't support this and I know there is many things I can do to avoid this but I also would like to see Alt+Tab implemented. It doesn't seem like that big of a deal to put in place to me.

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It's a core mechanic, it would require them to redo certain functions so the game can reallocate properly.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I do have 3D vision running, I also have a laptop, but running my laptop just for recipes seems so unnecessary.

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And running the game in 3d vision 'is' necessary? your argument is looking rather invalid

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Originally Posted by MagicofGaia

And running the game in 3d vision 'is' necessary? your argument is looking rather invalid

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I shouldn't have to buy more hardware (had i not already owned a laptop) not to mention waste more electricity because of an obvious oversight by the devs. It's you with the flawed logic my friend.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

It's a core mechanic, it would require them to redo certain functions so the game can reallocate properly.

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Yes I understand this. Still not a big deal to implement. They could even remove the border, title bar, etc... from the windowed setting. I know this isn't true full screen but it would look much better still.

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Originally Posted by Whax

Windowed mode + Gamers Window Relocator = be happy

Google for Gamers Window Relocator and your problems with borders are gone

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Exactly. You can play in windowed mode like it was fullscreen and alt+tab as much as u like ;P

Using AutohHotkey and this script.
^+a::
WinSet, Style, -0xC00000,a ; remove the titlebar and border(s)
WinMove, a, , 0, 0, 1366, 768 ; move the window to 0,0 and resize it to 1366x768
return

Copy this in txt and after that - rename in (example) FFXIV.ahk
And beautiful!) playing pseudo Full Screen and can use Alt+Tab
P.S.
^+a= Shift+Ctrl+A

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Using AutohHotkey and this script.
^+a::
WinSet, Style, -0xC00000,a ; remove the titlebar and border(s)
WinMove, a, , 0, 0, 1366, 768 ; move the window to 0,0 and resize it to 1366x768
return

And beautiful!) playing pseudo Full Screen and can use Alt+Tab

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We shouldn't have to be computer hackers to be able to switch to a web browser in a game that all but requires use of 3rd party websites...

im surprised nobody has mentioned the fact that using third party programs is a bannable offense and i have herd of ppl in FFXI getting banned for using third party software simply for the sake of being able to alt+Tab, back when FFXI didnt have its own windower that is.

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I shouldn't have to buy more hardware (had i not already owned a laptop) not to mention waste more electricity because of an obvious oversight by the devs. It's you with the flawed logic my friend.

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Sorry. I don't wanna bash back and forth. But you're running dual GPU's.. and your complaining about running too much electricity. point, me

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Sorry. I don't wanna bash back and forth. But you're running dual GPU's.. and your complaining about running too much electricity. point, me

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Get over yourself. Standard feature is standard. Anything else is substandard.

I don't know how I so easily walk in to some of these little spouts. they are silly, and there is no point to them.

I have told myself I'd do better about not getting into bickery, and I will stick to it. I'm sorry Molly_Millions. I'm going to walk away from this. I should not of pushed such a simple, and arbitrary thing to a stupid level.

We're all here for a common purpose (hopefully) discuss the game, the pros the cons, and hopefully also how to make it better.

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Originally Posted by Elaguila

Just play the game in windowed mode at your preferred resolution. Besides the window bar at the top, it's identical to the full screen setting.

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Originally Posted by SirEdeonX

Exactly. You can play in windowed mode like it was fullscreen and alt+tab as much as u like ;P

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CrossfireX will not work in windowed mode :< and I like to use both graphics cards

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Originally Posted by Kurai

CrossfireX will not work in windowed mode :< and I like to use both graphics cards

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this^

And having a border at top of screen plus bottom being cut off in 1080p windowed is pointless, so is not being able to access 3rd party websites & info in such a massive game.

While this usually a PC game basic, I think the decision to not add it is due to the ease of running third party programs while FFXIV is running.

Anyone who wants to run a third party program knows how to work around the lack of ALT+TAB, so they are mostly inconveniencing their more casual players.

Of course, everyone has their old computer sitting around anyway. ALT-TAB would be nice, but then that old PC would truely be worthless.

I beleave this should be added as soon as possible, mainly because things like 3d, SLI and Crossfire require you to play in fullscreen. Also as some people have already said fullscreen lowers stress on PC components.

And the graphics will be alot better in fullscreen, not allowing alt-tab in fullscreen was one reason alot of people use 3rd party programs in ffxi (im sure you all know which one I'm talking about) and if we could alt-tab out of fullscreen it could make less people want to use 3rd party programs that could allow this.

Thing is SE has 2 choices here, add some kinda option or rework the game to allow alt + tab in fullscreen or ban 90% of the PC playerbase for using harmless 3rd party program that can convert windowed to fullscreen.

I have been barking up this tree since beta, good luck getting through to them.

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While this usually a PC game basic, I think the decision to not add it is due to the ease of running third party programs while FFXIV is running.

Anyone who wants to run a third party program knows how to work around the lack of ALT+TAB, so they are mostly inconveniencing their more casual players.

Of course, everyone has their old computer sitting around anyway. ALT-TAB would be nice, but then that old PC would truely be worthless.

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anyone wanting to run a bot (Which i would not recommend) would just put the game in windowed mode in config, then when playing normally would simply restart the game in fullscreen when he or she is in front of the PC. so the fact that SE wont add Alt + tab seems pretty retarded anyway. It only takes a few seconds to force close the game and restart it in fullscreen or windowed. I had a lot of problems when I started using CrossfieX with ffxiv so I was switching between windowed and full a lot before I figured out what the problem was with the flickering UI. But thats a whole other thread which I wont get into right now

yes please

Windowed mode /thread

This thread clearly demonstrates why alt+tab will never be fixed.

If SE bans me for using an external program that enables me to have a feature that even the lowest quality f2p game out there has out of the box, well, it's their loss.

edit: Well, looks like at least it was forwarded to the devs or something: click
Whatever might come out of it...

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Originally Posted by Critter

Yes I understand this. Still not a big deal to implement. They could even remove the border, title bar, etc... from the windowed setting. I know this isn't true full screen but it would look much better still.

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Yes Please for ALT - TAB !! or as Critter said they can at least remove borders from windowed mode.

Also give me VSYNC too please , i have tearing in Full Screen

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Originally Posted by potman

Also give me VSYNC too please , i have tearing in Full Screen

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OT: Use the GPU control panel for that in the meantime

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

OT: Use the GPU control panel for that in the meantime

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explain? and is "tearing" those random white lines in CSs I get here n there?

Tearing is what happens when the game is redrawing the screen faster than your monitor can refresh it. What happens is that you start getting instances where the image breaks in the middle of it as its showing two different frames at once.
Wikipedia has a good example / explanation of whats happening with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing
vsync forces it to only redraw at the max speed the monitor can handle. (Most standard LCD's is 60Hz / FPS)

And +1 for running XIV with crossfire. I have dual 5750's, when I built my machine it was the best performance per $ in my price range. A single 5750 however is not THAT great on its own and running XIV in windowed mode really slows down. Full screen performance is MUCH better when both cards can be fully utilized.

As for them having to redo parts of the graphics engine, this should have never been the case in the first place. Its a bug, and I will continue to label it as such till it gets fixed.