Stages are worthless

I made a stage, planning to place it in the basement as part of a speakeasy type bar. After setting down the stage and grabbing an instrument, I ran into this:

https://i.imgur.com/MOEqYuu.png
https://i.imgur.com/RgTyn0c.png
https://i.gyazo.com/1115dd206d1a0f15...a60561ffdf.png

Could there be a change to allow instruments to actually, you know, sit on the stage like the item's own flavor text indicates? D: I feel like this was a complete oversight.

Agreed. Given its description and intended purpose, you would think you can just place a bunch of things on it...

I went out and gathered mats, trying to use this for the band in my basement bar.

Well, it is now a stand-up comedy bar with two lights...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...etop-Attribute

It's more of the fact the instruments need a tabletop attribute more than the stage. There's quite a few items that need to have a tabletop attribute, like NPCs, since Lalafell NPCs can't be placed on the stepstools.

Saw the thread, was going to link mine here, then I saw QT's post, thanks QT! XD

If this is actually the case, stages will have to be assigned a "floor" attribute besides just a tabletop attribute. But I imagine it could be easily implemented. Just add a check to prevent infinite stacking and more air-snapping exploitation. A single stage per house limit like the bathtubs would work.

A single stage? NOOOOOO. NOOOPE. NOOO. In large houses one little stage just isn't enough!

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Originally Posted by Acilith

A single stage? NOOOOOO. NOOOPE. NOOO. In large houses one little stage just isn't enough!

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Then another check to prevent exploitative air-stacking of stages will have to be designed. If that is fixed than stages needn't be limited 1 per house, like bathtubs do. My guess for bathtub limit is because of the water rendering being taxing if too many. But since stages don't have taxing graphical effects I suppose there is no real reason to limit them, then.

Stacking stages isn't a bad thing... let people stack whatever they want in their house... it literally has no effect on anyone other than.the homeowners

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

Stacking stages isn't a bad thing... let people stack whatever they want in their house... it literally has no effect on anyone other than.the homeowners

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I think they just don't want people glitching out of bounds so I can understand some checks but otherwise I think it's fine to stack them.

Smaller stages, higher stages, narrower stages, some variation in the stages would be nice so we could even put up something akin to "props" for stage plays. And these smaller stages ideally would be stackable, to a certain extent.

Additional general furniture placement items, not furniture in themselves but purposefully designed to allow spatial freedom in furniture placement, think "Scaffoldings", "Ceiling Hooks", "Half-Wall-Height Splinter Beams", etc. Which can provide options to allow for vertically dynamic housing furniture placement, without having to resort to exploitative air-snapping, or unpolished and immersion-breaking multi-stacking.

So I imagine that this can be a way to grant players their wishes to further customize their house, and to create more interesting layouts, without breaking immersion.

It only "breaks immersion" if you let it... what I decide to to within my own properties doesn't effect your immersion... I think the fact that the devs haven't fixed the air snapping "exploit" is great as it allows us to be far more creative. We get to place things in ways the devs never considered and limiting the amount of things they have to designate as wall/tables/ect...

"Air Snapping" will likely never be fixed, it's not necessarily a bad thing to stay. But further exploits will just as likely not be considered to be developed in the game. When the devs release a feature, they release it to all players, not just those who want to use it. If other players are using a feature while some are not, the players not making use of the feature will be "pressured" to follow suit or suffer lower potential. This pressure is negative if said player does not want to use this feature in the first place.

We have wall and pillar partitions already. Placement-assist items like "Scaffolding" and "Ceiling Hooks" can allow for the equivalent of air snapping without having to resort to air snapping. Making more liberal use of the current "Stages" will also allow for more variety and "creativity". Without having to resort to exploits.

Edit: Not to mention it would be nice to be able to stage "plays" with castle, chocobo, goobbue, trees and Khloe props. Or just to place the props in a way that tell a story.

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Originally Posted by Raqrie_Tohka

We have wall and pillar partitions already. Placement-assist items like "Scaffolding" and "Ceiling Hooks" can allow for the equivalent of air snapping without having to resort to air snapping. Making more liberal use of the current "Stages" will also allow for more variety and "creativity". Without having to resort to exploits.

Edit: Not to mention it would be nice to be able to stage "plays" with castle, chocobo, goobbue, trees and Khloe props. Or just to place the props in a way that tell a story.

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It's much easier to make items "table top" than to make a bunch of new items with new designations which then will have their own limitations...

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Originally Posted by Acilith

A single stage? NOOOOOO. NOOOPE. NOOO. In large houses one little stage just isn't enough!

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I was thinking that, after seeing how large just the harp is.
https://i.imgur.com/0ffnf5e.png

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

It only "breaks immersion" if you let it... what I decide to to within my own properties doesn't effect your immersion... I think the fact that the devs haven't fixed the air snapping "exploit" is great as it allows us to be far more creative. We get to place things in ways the devs never considered and limiting the amount of things they have to designate as wall/tables/ect...

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To be fair, it breaks my immersion more to not have "floating" fish tanks in an environment steeped in magic. In reality, we have hooks to accomplish the same effect.
https://i.imgur.com/TKWOeY2.png

Also, you can't tell me animals, flowers, or books, don't belong on fireplace ledges in a fantasy world. I really do hope they have no intentions of fixing this "glitch."
https://i.imgur.com/UI6e8Ui.png

All that aside, I really do hope they reconsider the typing of instruments, at least. Even the Mol instrument, sadly not interactable, became a tabletop item.

Wow I didn't realize that happened..lol what is the point of a stage if you can't put anything on it. Seems kind of redundant..

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Wow I didn't realize that happened..lol what is the point of a stage if you can't put anything on it. Seems kind of redundant..

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I mean you can put a handful of stuff on it, so long they have the table top attribute. The problem is most furniture don't have that.

By the way, "immersion-breaking" image below, you have been warned:

https://i.imgur.com/nlWJhmz.jpg

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Originally Posted by Raqrie_Tohka

A single stage per house limit like the bathtubs would work.

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We already have (imo) enough silly restrictions for housing... Just... don't...

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

It's much easier to make items "table top" than to make a bunch of new items with new designations which then will have their own limitations...

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^ this. It's lesser work, also introducing a new attribute might create more immersion-breaking bugs too.

-tbh its time the redesign some aspects of housing.

-one thing is to remove the silly tabletop/floor/indoor/outdoor /wall mounted restrictions. omggggggg how passé can ya get ^^

-allow us to place any item anywhere WE choose!!! mid air, on the floor ,on the wall..or shoved into a corner of the ceiling....it should NOT matter, it is our home! isn't it?

-player creativity is so low in this game due primarily to the games limits not the players lack of imagination/wants/desires.

please consider SE
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Originally Posted by QT_Melon

I think they just don't want people glitching out of bounds so I can understand some checks but otherwise I think it's fine to stack them.

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You can already glitch out of bounds, anyways.

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

Stacking stages isn't a bad thing... let people stack whatever they want in their house... it literally has no effect on anyone other than.the homeowners

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Thank you, I can't understand why people get so bent out of shape about what someone might enjoy in their own building when they don't ever have to go in anyone else's house. If it's a possible code liability, let the devs figure out what might be gamebreaking, but "I don't want them to be able to" is a terrible reason.

What SE needs to fix is to recode every item under "furnishing" category into "tabletop" category. I'd like to build a living room area with multiple level using stages too, like putting the tatami mats on top of the stage to make it looks like a Japanese inn or restaurant. Been submitting multiple in-game suggestion via support desk since HW but they didn't care.

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Originally Posted by RemTsuki

What SE needs to fix is to recode every item under "furnishing" category into "tabletop" category. I'd like to build a living room area with multiple level using stages too, like putting the tatami mats on top of the stage to make it looks like a Japanese inn or restaurant. Been submitting multiple in-game suggestion via support desk since HW but they didn't care.

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Tell me about it, I actually started a thread about this but got no luck getting even a single official respond so far.

It's possible to put item on the troup stage... See ! But i don't know how this guy did it.... T-T

https://assets.housingsnap.com/uploa..._watermark.jpg

Housing Snap Link : https://housingsnap.com/4723

Stages need a acts as a floor attribute, but not for other stages. Don't act like it's not something already in game. The false windows are a great example, they are a wall mounted item, but not particians. Particians act as walls for most wall mounted items, but not windows (that by item description are already considered false windows). That was unnecessary coding, and we couldn't use a similar thing for stage floors, where there is a difference between a stage floor vs. the base floor.

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Originally Posted by Ishura

It's possible to put item on the troup stage... See ! But i don't know how this guy did it.... T-T

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Whenever I've seen screenshots like this, the couches and tables and whatever other floor items are actually balanced on a railing for a stairwell. If you look at the very left of the picture, you'll see a door and realize that the area you're looking at in the picture is the stairwell down to the basement of a medium house.

It would be amazing to be able to do things like this without having to glitch the floor items over the railings. I would love to be able to finally set up items like the manor instruments on the stage! ♥