The Zodiac "Saga" has been a terrible experience for me.... It shouldn't be.

The AMOUNT OF MONEY (Gil) a player has SHOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT determine whether that player earns his or her Relic Weapon!!!!

The relic weapon, for all of the trouble a player goes through to earn this, should have a higher item level than the much easier-to-earn 'Allagan Tomestone of Poetics' equipment. It does not. The Zodiac "Saga" lacks substance and the story feels incredibly redundant and is not interesting at all from a lore perspective! It ABSOLUTELY should be! The running around that players have to do is an insult to quality story-telling. Endless farming and endless throwing away 'Gil' for repeating material demands is COMPLETELY unnecessary and lame!

Final Fantasy is about STORY, it's about IMAGINATION, it's about INTERACTIVE ART! And that should hold true for EVERY quest.

Get with the program SQUARE-ENIX and FIX the ZODIAC "SAGA". It's the most PATHETIC event item construct I've experienced in an online game yet. There is no reason for all of this nonsense. Either improve it or remove it completely!

Sorry to tell you, but the player base is pretty content with it being a grind. And it absolutely should be. When it's released it's a free raid-tier weapon without even touching raids. You gotta work for your welfare.

Also, the quest has been absolutely gutted compared to what people actually had to do. Either suck it up or don't do it.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Sorry to tell you, but the player base is pretty content with it being a grind. And it absolutely should be. When it's released it's a free raid-tier weapon without even touching raids. You gotta work for your welfare.

Also, the quest has been absolutely gutted compared to what people actually had to do. Either suck it up or don't do it.

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I can't believe I'm reading this bro. You really think that the dialogue is worth of being called a SAGA??? What is wrong with you people!?

This is not a f'ing SAGA. This is a pathetic attempt to make the game grindy without actually feeling worthwhile in ANY way shape or form.

It was done COMPLETELY WRONG.

People need to cease and desist playing the "I grinded more than you years ago" card. That doesn't make it okay. The relic isn't even a quality item after all of this bs. An Online STORY game means that content should always be focused on QUALITY STORYTELLING. I'm paying for the quality of a Final Fantasy STORY. Stop making this Final Fantasy about something it should not be about. Even the way the relic gets empowered with each stage of evolution is redundant, lame, and completely favors market leeches over story focused players who want to participate in the Zodiac SAGA. There is no Saga here. it's nothing more than subscription bait.

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Originally Posted by Culex

People need to cease and desist playing the "I grinded more than you years ago" card. That doesn't make it okay. The relic isn't even a quality item after all of this bs. An Online STORY game means that content should always be focused on QUALITY STORYTELLING. I'm paying for the quality of a Final Fantasy STORY. Stop making this Final Fantasy about something it should not be about. Even the way the relic gets empowered with each stage of evolution is redundant, lame, and completely favors market leeches over story focused players who want to participate in the Zodiac SAGA. There is no Saga here. it's nothing more than subscription bait.

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All sub-based games are nothing more than subscription baits.

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Originally Posted by Culex

People need to cease and desist playing the "I grinded more than you years ago" card. That doesn't make it okay. The relic isn't even a quality item after all of this bs. An Online STORY game means that content should always be focused on QUALITY STORYTELLING. I'm paying for the quality of a Final Fantasy STORY. Stop making this Final Fantasy about something it should not be about. Even the way the relic gets empowered with each stage of evolution is redundant, lame, and completely favors market leeches over story focused players who want to participate in the Zodiac SAGA. There is no Saga here. it's nothing more than subscription bait.

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It's not story content brah. It's optional side-content bro for those that want a free weapon bru. Your own fault man for wanting it to be something it's not.

As Pence mentioned, it's optional, there is nothing forcing you to get a relic (there is absolutely no content gated behind it or requires it), it's just something extra to do in the game now for completion's sake as they're long since obsolete. If you don't like the grind fine, don't do the quest line, it's as simple as that (I mean, I admit I dislike grinding for them too, so I just abandoned the whole thing at the atma stage and never went back to it, nor have I even ever bothered with the anima weapon quest in Heavensward as I just can't be bothered with the grind. But the quest is there for those who do like it and want the weapon.).

And before you pass judgement, players actually wanted SE to make it grindy, so if you want someone to blame, blame other players not SE. SE are just trying to keep everyone happy.

It's almost like you have to work to get a legendary weapon that doesn't even exist in the world lore-wise yet. How peculiar and unfair, indeed.

Pence, you're just making excuses for Square-Enix for designing something poorly. You and everyone like you are gluttons for punishment if you think endlessly grinding for a sub-standard quality item is an ideal way to supplement end-story content. It makes me wonder how you spend the rest of the time in your life. Do you value your actual life time at all!?

Don't call it the Zodiac "Saga" if there is no Saga. PERIOD. NO STORY = NO SAGA. FIX IT SQUARE-ENIX!

But I'VE ALREADY STARTED THE "SAGA". Why would I quit now?? I will have to see it through or it will feel incomplete. IT IS STILL BAIT either way. And it is not fair to players who want something of substance associated with the title 'Zodiac Braves Saga'.

Also, is Square-Enix implying, through the story, that these so-called Zodiac Braves, with all of their ancient relics, somehow had to fight all of these lame monsters, FATEs, and LEVEQUESTS (lul), "thousands" of years ago? The Ancients, so "powerful" just somehow had the same mixed up errands as the player. Seems like a fitting way to mash a bunch of nonsense inside of an endless 'Matryoshka Doll'.

The story fails miserably for that reason. If you're going to make an endless grind, just let it be an endless grind instead of stitching scraps of a failed and obviously synthetic story to it.

They know what we expect from relic quests.....we know it'll be a grind....because it's easy content which rewards raid tier weapons.....

Quit being dramatic.

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Originally Posted by Pence

They know what we expect from relic quests.....we know it'll be a grind....because it's easy content which rewards raid tier weapons.....

Quit being dramatic.

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It's a sub-standard quality item! Why isn't the f'ing BEST??? Why deliberately waste people's time (a LOT of time btw) for rubbish!?

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Originally Posted by Culex

It's a sub-standard quality item! Why isn't the f'ing BEST??? Why deliberately waste people's time (a LOT of time btw) for rubbish!?

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They didn't start the game at Stormblood, you know. Back in the day, these were the best items you could get after you built them up, and you didn't have to raid at all to get them.

Why do you not see the flaw here? Then Square-Enix should have eliminated this entire relic charade months ago. Instead, it's still stringing unsuspecting players along. This started at level 50 and they continued to add more and more garbage to it. Even in a magical fantasy world, you could never accept the kind "reasoning" this so-called aethereal genius weapon researcher gives you along this broken road journey.

When you put all of these tasks together and read them together (ff14 wikipedia), it becomes painfully clear that it would have been much better without any story attached to it all! Instead, it's pathetic and desperate.

Right, I'm gonna go ahead and hit the button and start the PSA.

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Originally Posted by Culex

Why do you not see the flaw here? Then Square-Enix should have eliminated this entire relic charade months ago. Instead, it's still stringing unsuspecting players along.

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I picked up a level 1 quest at a 70 once, I agree. SE should remove all quests below my level, how dare they string me along demanding I kill that innocent L1 mob.

Okay, I'm convinced now. You gullible players will accept anything as long is it wastes your actual life time. And you'll give all of your money to them while you're at it. Hell, I could have made a better Final Fantasy "Zodiac Weapon Saga".

Not sure what they were thinking here. Probably just greedy for money.

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Originally Posted by Culex

Okay, I'm convinced now. You gullible players will accept anything as long is it wastes your actual life time. And you'll give all of your money to them while you're at it. Hell, I could have made a better Final Fantasy "Zodiac Weapon Saga".

Not sure what they were thinking here. Probably just greedy for money.

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Originally Posted by Culex

Okay, I'm convinced now. You gullible players will accept anything as long is it wastes your actual life time. And you'll give all of your money to them while you're at it. Hell, I could have made a better Final Fantasy "Zodiac Weapon Saga".

Not sure what they were thinking here. Probably just greedy for money.

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Please, go ahead. Tell us what you would do. Keep in mind: It needs to be easy enough that your super casual XIV player that can't complete an extreme can finish, but it can't be something a hardcore player can complete in 5 minutes. It must also reward the best, or second to best weapon for the tier without invalidating the work raiders do. Also, due to it's lengthy nature it must not be super story driven which requires tons of work for the Devs as it's just casual side-content.

Go on. We'll wait.

Edit: Almost forgot, it must also help bring 'dead' content back into some state of relevance. Dungeons, FATEs, GC seals etc etc

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Originally Posted by Pence

Please, go ahead. Tell us what you would do. Keep in mind: It needs to be easy enough that your super casual XIV player that can't complete an extreme can finish, but it can't be something a hardcore player can complete in 5 minutes. It must also reward the best, or second to best weapon for the tier without invalidating the work raiders do. Also, due to it's lengthy nature it must not be super story driven which requires tons of work for the Devs as it's just casual side-content.

Go on. We'll wait.

Edit: Almost forgot, it must also help bring 'dead' content back into some state of relevance. Dungeons, FATEs, GC seals etc etc

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If I may add an addendum, it must also not remove older content items, as many players may prefer the look of those items over anything they receive now.

Hey, Pence, now you're being the drama queen. Please tell me that you "approve" of this great and awesome relic weapon to be endlessly strung along a series of pathetic, demeaning, and expensive tasks (rich players, go figure), to keep catching it up to the latest item level for the latest expansion.

Are you really implying there that it couldn't be done smarter than this?

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Originally Posted by Culex

Hey, Pence, now you're being the drama queen. Please tell me that you "approve" of this great and awesome relic weapon to be endlessly strung along a series of pathetic, demeaning, and expensive tasks (rich players, go figure), to keep catching it up to the latest item level for the latest expansion.

Are you really implying there that it couldn't be done smarter than this?

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It brings old content into relevance, gives players a goal, gives 'easy content' players access to a raid tier weapon, gives us all cool designs, one stage normally stimulates the economy....

That's all it is. Stop trying to RP the forums about a grind quest.

Screw this jumbled up, confusing mess... They could have at least organized the errand locations properly. The main thing is that there is no "Saga" here. it's nothing but a mindless easter egg hunt for glow effects - That you pay a ton of money and reward currency for.

The entire charade has amounted to nothing more than digitally interactive cancer.

"digital interactive cancer"

Holy kupo, calm yourself. It's just a game. You're getting so worked up over a thing that is optional and really doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Culex

Screw this jumbled up, confusing mess... They could have at least organized the errand locations properly. The main thing is that there is no "Saga" here. it's nothing but a mindless easter egg hunt for glow effects - That you pay a ton of money and reward currency for.

The entire charade has amounted to nothing more than digitally interactive cancer.

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Wait until you find out that Ultimate is harder than the hardest content but doesn't give a higher ilvl reward...

How is it that your join date on these fourms is 2013 and you're doing relic now? If you would have done it when it was relevant you wouldn't be so pissy, because you would have had the best wpn in the game

I pretty sure he's just salty that even after two expansions he can't just bust out a quick weeks grind and drop a minimal amount of Gil to get what he wants. These weapons carry a certain amount of prestige for needing dedication to obtain. It's not even that hard to get, just time and Gil. If the OP can't spare either of those or doesn't want to work towards it then he clearly doesn't want it bad enough. I had to farm millions of Gil by cooking for the market in order to finally (FINALLY) obtain my Last Resort which I finally got around to like a month ago. I started it back when it was new. It took me years to get it and it obviously sucks in battle but I'm proud I have it now. Now I just gotta work on finishing my Summoner's Anima light farm ;-; which I probably won't get to until I can solo HW dungeons lol.

Oh boy, if they hated the Zodiac quest that badly, they should probably steer clear of the Anima one or the SB ones coming sometime soon..

Well, the good news is they are changing up the relic quests. We are getting something called Eureka which is how we will obtain our relics from now on,..but there is almost no info on it either :( I agree with OP, the relic quest was never really that great..it feels like it was created to carry people through old content. I have no problem helping people but for a RELIC weapon in an FF series, it should be a pretty solid quest with boss fights, etc.

I am a bit disappointed that they didn't add more boss fights like the chimera and hydra bosses you get to fight towards the beginning of the quest line, and didn't do anything of the sort for Anima. Imagine if they put in some epic nostalgic bosses, like the Four Fiends? I'm looking forward to what Eureka entails.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

it feels like it was created to carry people through old content.

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iLv 90+ that's exactly what it is and it works.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

I have no problem helping people

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you might not but most people do.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

but for a RELIC weapon in an FF series it should be a pretty solid quest with boss fights, etc.

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there's only room in the dev schedule for one "boss" weapon and that's the raid weapon. the rest is just semantics, call it something else if it bothers you.

Why would something only running old content and quests that have been seriously nerfed still give high tier gear two expansions later?

Only thing I would change in the zeta quest is your ability to hold more than one book in the book step. This way you could do all the rng fates and etc. And maybe make some lore for each weapon, having a generic one for all is kinda sad. Really wanted to know how the fuck gerolt came with the Tyrant design in the Anima quests, for example.

wait... people still do the relic quests?

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

wait... people still do the relic quests?

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They are good for glamours, a fair bit of effort but they probably are some of the nicest weapons in the game

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Originally Posted by Tsubaki75

How is it that your join date on these fourms is 2013 and you're doing relic now?

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Well, that's easy enough to figure out. emCheck my join date. I'm just doing relic now too. I quit playing for awhile due to IRL issues. The difference is I have realistic expectations for what I'm getting doing old content. I'm doing it anyway because, duh, floofy bard bow!

Either OP is trolling for le lols which gg mang....or if serious, you only have yourself to really take the time wasting issue up with, as it was optional. I totally relate to how this journey felt for you as I only did one weapon, if you are only doing one then sweet man, you is done ;)

Only thing one gets out of this now days is a glam glam^^

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Originally Posted by Pence

I picked up a level 1 quest at a 70 once, I agree. SE should remove all quests below my level, how dare they string me along demanding I kill that innocent L1 mob.

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back when ARR came out and this relec quest came out the requirement for you to obtain your relece quest was to defeat the HM Primal but people complained about it being to hard so they had to come up with a more griddy aproach so you would have to put some of the same type of effort into it.

It almost sounded like OP was complaining about the lack of story involved in the quest? In which case I totally understand, if there had been more story/lore in the quest, the grind wouldn't be so bad. Some echo visions of the Zodiac Braves using the weapons or something. But, I understand that would take time away from msq thing, still they are great glams :)

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Originally Posted by Melondra

back when ARR came out and this relec quest came out the requirement for you to obtain your relece quest was to defeat the HM Primal but people complained about it being to hard so they had to come up with a more griddy aproach so you would have to put some of the same type of effort into it.

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Oh dear...

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Originally Posted by Melondra

back when ARR came out and this relec quest came out the requirement for you to obtain your relece quest was to defeat the HM Primal but people complained about it being to hard so they had to come up with a more griddy aproach so you would have to put some of the same type of effort into it.

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But...you still have to defeat the HM primals...