Gauss barrel...

I mained mch as my main dps in heavensward but dropped it in stormblood for many reasons but the main reason was the gauss barrel and how it makes the job really unappealing.

I know I can toggle to not see it myself but would it really kill ffxiv's servers to let us toggle it for everyone not to see it?

They did this for summoner with egi glamour. Is it not something worth doing to make mch more appealing?

I know it's not a problem for everyone (nothing is always a problem for everyone), we know, everyone knows. But are there some people who would feel more attracted to mch if the gauss barrel could be hidden?

We all know glamour matters more than the strongest ilevel weapon in any expansion

https://s32.postimg.org/gd4vry0t1/Gauss_Barrel.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0JOyTaA.jpg

It just.....doesn't help

it can be hidden

/gaussbarell

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Originally Posted by Ketsufuma

it can be hidden

/gaussbarell

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You didn't read the post.

Yeah, when the devs implemented the Gauss Barrel visibility toggle, they didn't go all the way. So they make it invisible for the user, but other players can still see it on you? The hell is the point then? The whole intention of why a player would want it is for it to be completely invisible to anyone and everything. When we turn off headgear, would we be okay with it being invisible to us but knowing that everyone else can still see it? Of course not.

Simply put, they should adhere to the glam rules that they themselves came up with.

Or maybe they should just get rid of it? Get rid of the stupid thing on the waist too. They've already gotten rid of plenty of visuals that were more aesthetically pleasing than that lame rotating clamp and steampunk fanny pack.

When I first started red mage, and realized that both the sword AND the gem are unique for each weapon, I immediate though of how badly machinist was screwed up by the devs. None of the machinist accessories are designed to match the weapon, there is little variation in appearance, and they clash hideously with just about every armor and weapon design in the game. Meanwhile every samurai sword has a matching sheath, and every bow has matching quiver and arrows.

Either redesign the machinist equipment to be unique for each weapon, or just get rid of them.

The skill as a whole feels pretty unnecessary now considering that there's no reason you would ever want to keep it off/remove it now that Overheat has been buffed enough to be a DPS gain in virtually any situation, which puts it in a position similar to some other skills that got axed for SB.

Yea I agree 100%. Just eliminate it from the game all together, in its current state we need to have it up all the time so its not a choice. The only purpose is to make us clip our gcd with barrel stabilizer and to be ugly as hell

I've said many times that getting rid of the graphic/model, and simply making it a "Gauss Mode" would work perfectly. If it were an issue of knowing if/when a MCH has it equipped, that's easy: No Gauss, no acrobatics, not to mention low damage. And as with other jobs, BRDs have a marker to show if/when they're playing a song, Cleric Stance/Thin Air/Diurnal/Nocturnal all simply have markers to show they're active (should you miss the initial animations of them). There would be virtually no issue with Gauss Barrel/Gauss Mode's state being unable to be determined.

If we had to choose which to get rid of, would actually prefer the thing at the waist over gauss barrel. I guess I'm able to ignore the barrel more because of other things being able to magically float (RDM crystal, AST weapon and cards, SMN book doing Ruin IV).

I guess the question I have to ask is: "Why is simply hiding gauss barrel for the player on the class not enough? Why does everyone else not need to see it?"

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

If we had to choose which to get rid of, would actually prefer the thing at the waist over gauss barrel. I guess I'm able to ignore the barrel more because of other things being able to magically float (RDM crystal, AST weapon and cards, SMN book doing Ruin IV).

I guess the question I have to ask is: "Why is simply hiding gauss barrel for the player on the class not enough? Why does everyone else not need to see it?"

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I mean for other players, gauss barrel isn't a magical thing that's being supported by the character itself. None of the animations interact with it and it sorta just floats in the exact same spot over your weapon as you swing it around.

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

Or maybe they should just get rid of it? Get rid of the stupid thing on the waist too.
Either redesign the machinist equipment to be unique for each weapon, or just get rid of them.

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I support this 100%

The lunch box should change with the weapon, I mean Bards have had the quiver change with weapon since the beginning what did they get lazy or something.

SE please fire the MCH design lead and let the Bard design lead handle it. The current guy clearly hasn't been doing his job since the beginning.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

I mean for other players, gauss barrel isn't a magical thing that's being supported by the character itself. None of the animations interact with it and it sorta just floats in the exact same spot over your weapon as you swing it around.

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Created from magiteck parts (just like the rook and bishop), which is but machine enhanced with magic. It's true that it doesn't interact with other skills on its own, but simply hiding it for yourself should suffice. There's no reason to need to disable it for everyone other than a simple want.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Created from magiteck parts (just like the rook and bishop), which is but machine enhanced with magic. It's true that it doesn't interact with other skills on its own, but simply hiding it for yourself should suffice. There's no reason to need to disable it for everyone other than a simple want.

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So you'll be cool with all glamour being only you see it? Good to know, HEY SE this guys says its fine to make glamour client side only.

Come on now! Are you really that concerned over something as petty as the invisible gauss barrel thats only used in combat? Are you concerned about what complete strangers you will likely never see again think of it? The people you see regularily on your server wont see the damn thing because if you hate it so much, you will likely not equip it outside of a dungeon, would you?

Stop being so insecure and deal with it. Jeez

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Originally Posted by Saiah

Come on now! Are you really that concerned over something as petty as the invisible gauss barrel thats only used in combat? Are you concerned about what complete strangers you will likely never see again think of it? The people you see regularily on your server wont see the damn thing because if you hate it so much, you will likely not equip it outside of a dungeon, would you?

Stop being so insecure and deal with it. Jeez

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If you think people don't take in combat party screen shots, you are dead wrong.

Hell there are whole communities around watching people stream this game. Some player have lots of people seeing GB ruin their glamour they worked so hard to cultivate.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

The lunch box should change with the weapon, I mean Bards have had the quiver change with weapon since the beginning what did they get lazy or something.

SE please fire the MCH design lead and let the Bard design lead handle it. The current guy clearly hasn't been doing his job since the beginning.

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I'm pretty sure BRD and MCH have the same designer, just because they were so close in HW(with MCH clearly being the focus and BRD being the afterthought), but class designers and artists are presumably separate, with those decisions being left to people above the grunts. Also, calling for someone to be fired because you don't like the aetheroconverter is petty as hell.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

If you think people don't take in combat party screen shots, you are dead wrong.

Hell there are whole communities around watching people stream this game. Some player have lots of people seeing GB ruin their glamour they worked so hard to cultivate.

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So you want the SE designers FIRED over something as niche and mundane as someone else catching your gauss barrel in a screenshot. Youre either grasping straws here or youre being utterly ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Created from magiteck parts (just like the rook and bishop), which is but machine enhanced with magic. It's true that it doesn't interact with other skills on its own, but simply hiding it for yourself should suffice. There's no reason to need to disable it for everyone other than a simple want.

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Which brings us to the point of the thread. In an environment where BRD, AST and SAM, RDM can have unique secondary models and SMNs who can change their egi appearance to not only themselves but other players, why is MCH the exception for both when it comes to their aesthetics?

And even if you were to bring up the part about it being magitek, it's still constrained by the fact it's machinery and not actual magic, otherwise it's an outlier on it's acutal interactions when you look at other magitek items (such as the ironworks set or even the turrets as you mentioned), assuming the gauss barrel is magitek at all since it seems more like an actual machinery like most guns.

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

Or maybe they should just get rid of it? Get rid of the stupid thing on the waist too. They've already gotten rid of plenty of visuals that were more aesthetically pleasing than that lame rotating clamp and steampunk fanny pack.

When I first started red mage, and realized that both the sword AND the gem are unique for each weapon, I immediate though of how badly machinist was screwed up by the devs. None of the machinist accessories are designed to match the weapon, there is little variation in appearance, and they clash hideously with just about every armor and weapon design in the game. Meanwhile every samurai sword has a matching sheath, and every bow has matching quiver and arrows.

Either redesign the machinist equipment to be unique for each weapon, or just get rid of them.

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The satchel is linked to your turrets. Not your gun.

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Originally Posted by Saiah

The satchel is linked to your turrets. Not your gun.

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Which in context makes even less sense since turrets and other devices also become stronger as the gun becomes upgraded. It's already grasping when somehow all the AST weapons come with sleeves that perfectly fit your arcanum (with the worst offender being the PotD weapons that have completely different arcanum cards anyway). It's not any less likely for primal weapons or AF weapons to have their own aetherconvertor than a primal dropping a bow or katana that also comes with a matching quiver+arrow or scabbard.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Which in context makes even less sense since turrets and other devices also become stronger as the gun becomes upgraded. It's already grasping when somehow all the AST weapons come with sleeves that perfectly fit your arcanum (with the worst offender being the PotD weapons that have completely different arcanum cards anyway). It's not any less likely for primal weapons or AF weapons to have their own aetherconvertor than a primal dropping a bow or katana that also comes with a matching quiver+arrow or scabbard.

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You are trying to bring game mechanics into the equation when there is no evidence whatsoever that this affects it in a lore and design standpoint. And then bring up more examples of gear that is part of the weapon. The converter is NOT part of your weapon. It converts your aether into energy for the turret, this is explained during the MCH questline. Getting stronger suggests more aether, further enhancing your turret.

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Originally Posted by Saiah

You are trying to bring game mechanics into the equation when there is no evidence whatsoever that this affects it in a lore and design standpoint. And then bring up more examples of gear that is part of the weapon. The converter is NOT part of your weapon. It converts your aether into energy for the turret, this is explained during the MCH questline. Getting stronger suggests more aether, further enhancing your turret.

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The aether is sourced from the wielder to the converter, not the weapon, whereas the latter is used as a medium to utilize the former. The converter is just as part of your weapon as a quiver would be for a bow, since that's where you're getting your charged ammo from.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

The aether is sourced from the wielder to the converter, not the weapon

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That is correct.

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whereas the latter is used as a medium to utilize the former.

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The weapon does not require the gauss barrel to be utilized. Based on the existing theory on gauss technology, the gauss barrel amplifies the velocity of a projectile utilizing magnetism. Wich is likely to be powered by the converter.

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The converter is just as part of your weapon as a quiver would be for a bow, since that's where you're getting your charged ammo from.

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Incorrect. Guns are not limited to machinists in FFXIV. There are gun users who do not have converters.

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Originally Posted by Saiah

The weapon does not require the gauss barrel to be utilized. Based on the existing theory on gauss technology, the gauss barrel amplifies the velocity of a projectile utilizing magnetism. Wich is likely to be powered by the converter.

Incorrect. Guns are not limited to machinists in FFXIV. There are gun users who do not have converters.

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The weapon does not require it if you were to just shoot it as normal, but MCH abilties are done through the aetherconvertor. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to shoot lasers or spray bullets with what would be a revolver or even handcannon. You have NPCs like Hilde or Captain Madison who do use guns/musket (and infact the former doesn't even have an aetherconvertor but still has a gun sheathed), but you wouldn't see them do anything beyond shooting regular bullets.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Created from magiteck parts (just like the rook and bishop), which is but machine enhanced with magic. It's true that it doesn't interact with other skills on its own, but simply hiding it for yourself should suffice. There's no reason to need to disable it for everyone other than a simple want.

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If I don't like it on myself, I certainly don't want others to see it on me. And obviously I don't want to see on other MCH's. I think there is a need to be able to hide globally, especially since the way it's currently designed is simply not consistent with how the rest of the game works. There's no reason to be against this.

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Originally Posted by FaileExperiment

If I don't like it on myself, I certainly don't want others to see it on me. And obviously I don't want to see on other MCH's. I think there is a need to be able to hide globally, especially since the way it's currently designed is simply not consistent with how the rest of the game works. There's no reason to be against this.

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This is exactly what I hate about the /gaussbarrel thing it only hides it for ourselves...this is an mmorpg
This is an mmorpg.....if I wanted to hide thing only for myself I would play ffx or xii or something like that

Paladin got the invisible shield
summoner the egi glamour
monk the gloves invisible glamour

Why is mch the one not following the rules?
Gauss barrel adds nothing to mch and overheat already covers a "stronger shot"
Gauss barrel adds nothing to mch

Keep overheat, delete gauss barrel
Or let us hide it

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

The weapon does not require it if you were to just shoot it as normal, but MCH abilties are done through the aetherconvertor. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to shoot lasers or spray bullets with what would be a revolver or even handcannon. You have NPCs like Hilde or Captain Madison who do use guns/musket (and infact the former doesn't even have an aetherconvertor but still has a gun sheathed), but you wouldn't see them do anything beyond shooting regular bullets.

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Those are unique machinist skills that do not prove that the gun needs to be linked to the converter. They can do it with any gun.

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Originally Posted by Saiah

That is correct.



The weapon does not require the gauss barrel to be utilized. Based on the existing theory on gauss technology, the gauss barrel amplifies the velocity of a projectile utilizing magnetism. Wich is likely to be powered by the converter.



Incorrect. Guns are not limited to machinists in FFXIV. There are gun users who do not have converters.

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Normal riflemen use actual bullets. Machinists used highly-condensed lightning aether. It was explained in one of the 30-50 quests.

They can also make the graphic different, like to appear on top of the gun or something that goes with all types of guns. Removing it from the game is the easiest fix though. SE should do more the just /gaussbarell

You guys got your /gaussbarrel. So as far as I'm concerned, it's working as intented. What is it with everyone trying to remove/hide things from the game? You already got the ability to hide from your character and now wanna hide it from everyone else? I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way. Tank auras I understand, even tho I highly disagree with how many are very vocal about them being very "distracting." Gauss Barrel is so small that you'll barely notice it when the action is flying. Stop trying to dictate what you want to and don't want to see on my character just cuz you don't find something appealing...

Thing is, while it IS working as intended, it's a lazy fix.

Tell me, when a SMN uses an Egi glamour to turn Garuda into a Ruby Carbuncle, why is it that everyone can see that? When someone decides to hide their headpiece, why is it that everyone can't see it? And with that same logic in mind, when I choose to hide my Gauss Barrel, why is it that everyone else can STILL see it? That's where the issue is. There are already systems in place to have something not show globally, and yet GB is the one exception to the rule, and not in a good way.

I'd also like to remind that the reason /gaussbarrel off is even a thing is because MCH players largely don't like it. . .

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Originally Posted by Saiah

Those are unique machinist skills that do not prove that the gun needs to be linked to the converter. They can do it with any gun.

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You can do it with any gun because it is done through the converter. It's a bit of an oxymoron to say that it's unique to MCHs, but it doesn't use tools that are unique to MCH. It is used as the intermediate for MCH abilties in generating the ammo used for the gun that's equipped.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

You guys got your /gaussbarrel. So as far as I'm concerned, it's working as intented. What is it with everyone trying to remove/hide things from the game? You already got the ability to hide from your character and now wanna hide it from everyone else? I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way. Tank auras I understand, even tho I highly disagree with how many are very vocal about them being very "distracting." Gauss Barrel is so small that you'll barely notice it when the action is flying. Stop trying to dictate what you want to and don't want to see on my character just cuz you don't find something appealing...

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But it does for other instances such as egi glamour.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

But it does for other instances such as egi glamour.

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I worded it poorly but I meant hide the Barrel on everyone else. As in if any other MCH uses Gause Barrel, it hides there's as well.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

I worded it poorly but I meant hide the Barrel on everyone else. As in if any other MCH uses Gause Barrel, it hides there's as well.

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Who suggested that idea?

That was only an off-shoot idea (plan b or c); born from how much we don't like gauss barrel.
The main idea is to toggle gauss barrel on or off individually just like monk gloves, paladin shield, summoner egi glamour.

Right now I'm fine with the "client" side temp we have for Gauss Barrel, that said I can see the reason to change that from "Client" side only to an actual glamour/gear state setting.

Personally I see SE's only worry being "But ppl with a MCH bellow lv64 can't tell if their using it then!", my answer is "If u'r that worried then put the buff in the Party menu" MCH has Hot shot as (I think) its only displayed personal-buff/debuff in the Party menu, Job skills aside, which has to be reaplyed every 1min... which to be fair is hilariously easy to do, as it lines up with Wildfire now. I get their "reason" to not want unnessesary clutter in the Party menu but they gave us Job Gauges, which depending on were u put it can be annoying to micro-manage.

I've addressed that before.

How do you know a tank stance is active? (DRK's aura being the exception)
How do you know a BRD's playing a song?
How did we know before that a NIN was using poisions or a MNK was in a Fist stance?
How did we know healers were/weren't in Cleric Stance?

Buff markers. Anyone and everyone can see them, so that's hardly reason to not properly round out the ability to hide them.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

I worded it poorly but I meant hide the Barrel on everyone else. As in if any other MCH uses Gause Barrel, it hides there's as well.

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Then yeah, if you're hiding it to yourself, then it should also appear hidden from everyone else as they look on your character. It's a terrible inconsistency especially when it comes to group screenshots.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Which brings us to the point of the thread. In an environment where BRD, AST and SAM, RDM can have unique secondary models and SMNs who can change their egi appearance to not only themselves but other players, why is MCH the exception for both when it comes to their aesthetics?

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Worth correcting here, AST is ALMOST in the same spot as us. All of the card holder models are the same, some of them just have different base-colors.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

Worth correcting here, AST is ALMOST in the same spot as us. All of the card holder models are the same, some of them just have different base-colors.

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There's small differentiation in models, some of them have the extra tip. Even having different base colors lets the sleeve to match thematically to the globe, as opposed to having it remain static throughout (such as having a metallic white box for say...a shiva gun) and only change to dyes. The only thing that doesn't change in appearance are the arcanums themselves, unless its the PotD weapons.