Trolls and jerks using Roll for Items as a shield.

I'm getting really sick and tired of trolls and people being rude intentionally opening chests and not rolling on items to shield them from being kicked from the instance. It's happened many many times to me. I would suggest a much shorter loot roll timer, maybe only 60 or 120 seconds. I don't think like 400 seconds or whatever it is should be in place.

imo SE needs to set this time to 30-60 secs

Oh god yes the loot timer needs to be a lot shorter. It would also stop people making you wait on purpose at the end of a run. Too bad if a person loses their connection right then and can't get back in time to roll. It's unlikely and not good enough reason to keep long timers. Reducing the timer will eventually build up to hours of time saved that people would have used to stall you at the end of a run, or yes shield from vote kick. If people can't be bothered to click the loot button in a timely manner then maybe give them an auto-pass option so they are never given an opportunity to roll on anything that instance? There can be a text warning when entering a new instance to remind them that they have auto pass all loot turned on, in case they forget to change it back. Lots of people know for sure that they never want any drops from old content due to inv space or not bothered about seal exchange.

yes add an auto pass list so you will pass on items you dont need and if you let the timer run down just pass the item not auto loot it

Agreed to the OP. Nothing gets on my nerves more than people who sit and sit and sit and wait and wait and wait to roll on items in raids and/or primals.

they help you leave so they get the drop imo it is a bitch move

For the mid-dungeon chests, it can be tough to roll immediately if you want to compare the item to what you already have, but you're in the midst of combat at the time. Few parties will wait for loot distribution before moving on into the next fight. I think that's why it gives you a while, and on those mid-dungeon chests it does kind of need to.

It's mostly on the final boss's chest where the wait for it gets to be an issue. So maybe the timer for just that one could be a bit shorter.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

For the mid-dungeon chests, it can be tough to roll immediately if you want to compare the item to what you already have, but you're in the midst of combat at the time. Few parties will wait for loot distribution before moving on into the next fight. I think that's why it gives you a while, and on those mid-dungeon chests it does kind of need to.

It's mostly on the final boss's chest where the wait for it gets to be an issue. So maybe the timer for just that one could be a bit shorter.

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eh...I'm pretty sure it doesn't take more than 300 seconds to right click > compare item.

How about just let players be kicked with an active roll window, just automatically NEED > GREED it for the kicked player and kick once the loot has been distributed?

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Originally Posted by Zfz

How about just let players be kicked with an active roll window, just automatically NEED > GREED it for the kicked player and kick once the loot has been distributed?

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That's specifically not in place to prevent groups from stopping someone they don't want from getting loot.

I sometimes wait a bit before I roll x) I often run expert for drops to desynth, and on occasion I'll roll for an item I have on my armory chest already, so it takes me a bit to desynth it first and THEN roll. Specially because in most cases people just sprint the hell off.

Still doesn't take very long though, so 30-60 seconds should be more than enough... and yeah, people indeed do this to avoid vote kicks, so all the more reason to shorten roll times. :/

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Originally Posted by Mogkupo

eh...I'm pretty sure it doesn't take more than 300 seconds to right click > compare item.

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The actual time to compare the item to what's in my armoury chest usually only takes a few seconds, but that's still longer than I'd let my character stand still in the midst of a running fight, so it has to wait until the fighting is over. That's why I specified that the concern applies only to the the MID dungeon chests, because it's the remainder of the run and all the fights involved that can take a few minutes. Of course, if the party doesn't mind waiting a moment to check if I already have something (or a better alternative to it), then I'll roll before we move on to the next fight. But most parties want to go right into the next fight immediately, and loot rolls have to wait for a lull in the action.

Honestly I forget about the loot if someone else opens it.....It should pop up like it does when you open it, not just be a notification to the side. I always forget about those....

That being said, the timer should be shorter.

Also, I'd like a "Pass All/Greed All" option.

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Originally Posted by Mogkupo

eh...I'm pretty sure it doesn't take more than 300 seconds to right click > compare item.

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It can if the tank is wall to wall pulling leaving little time for breaks for people to see the loot list.

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Originally Posted by Mogkupo

eh...I'm pretty sure it doesn't take more than 300 seconds to right click > compare item.

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It can take pretty long if I need to keep sprinting after tank to keep him alive. Playing on controller doesn't make it easier. But tbh even as DPS in low level dungeon I'd feel bad stopping in middle of fight to look at loot. Some filter list would be cool and reduce amount of times when I roll on item in last 60 sec.

When it is the tokens for gear, see omega, I'd take some time to figure what to need or pass. Weekly lookout wants me being careful. Yes when I run that I know what I need, but better be safe than sorry. 60s is borderline, 120 are enough.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

The actual time to compare the item to what's in my armoury chest usually only takes a few seconds, but that's still longer than I'd let my character stand still in the midst of a running fight, so it has to wait until the fighting is over. That's why I specified that the concern applies only to the the MID dungeon chests, because it's the remainder of the run and all the fights involved that can take a few minutes. Of course, if the party doesn't mind waiting a moment to check if I already have something (or a better alternative to it), then I'll roll before we move on to the next fight. But most parties want to go right into the next fight immediately, and loot rolls have to wait for a lull in the action.

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Yes but it makes it extremely easy for trolls to just run off and open chests so that there's always a roll for loot timer to protect them from being kicked. That's the primary issue here.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Agreed to the OP. Nothing gets on my nerves more than people who sit and sit and sit and wait and wait and wait to roll on items in raids and/or primals.

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Originally Posted by himeiris

they help you leave so they get the drop imo it is a bitch move

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And when people do this, I /sit.

Cut the time down and implement auto need,pass and greed. Also why stop to compare? Just need it, if it's better keep it and if not turn it in for seals.

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Originally Posted by Mogkupo

eh...I'm pretty sure it doesn't take more than 300 seconds to right click > compare item.

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It doesn't take 300 seconds to compare. But the question is does the group stop at any point in that 300 seconds for you to actually take a few seconds to compare

This game is all about speed runs at the minute so no-one stops for anything especially loot. If you open the loot chest after a boss and look to compare that drop next thing you know your tanks dead or something such. Be it cos you weren't healing or you didn't kill enough of the next trash pull to make the damage manageable when cooldowns wore off.

You may have stopped to compare but the rest of the group certainly didn't.

I think the real thing to adjust is the time you have for rolling an Item. To know if you need or not an item, you can do it in less than a minute.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

...This game is all about speed runs at the minute so no-one stops for anything especially loot...

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Duties are a party collaboration. If some people won't want collaborate it is their problem, not system's one. This is no different than tanks that start running even when healer started casting protect and them got los and dying on the wall ten miles ahead.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

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This is the part where I point and laugh at the tank for leaving his party behind.
Seriously....get it through your thick skulls speed freaks..stay-wtih-the-damn-party.
Stop running off and "Ass-uming" you're in control cause you cant wait 30 bloody seconds.

That was aimed at the audience..not necessarily you.

When I tank - I make sure the group is still with me....I never leave and run off. It won't kill me to wait a bit. People who dont have this mentality..have no business tanking. - worse when they run off ahead of the tank. Tank isn't necessarily leader either....its a party effort..all or nothing.

As to the loot timer - yes..halve it...its way to long. You snooze you lose.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

I think the real thing to adjust is the time you have for rolling an Item. To know if you need or not an item, you can do it in less than a minute.

Duties are a party collaboration. If some people won't want collaborate it is their problem, not system's one. This is no different than tanks that start running even when healer started casting protect and them got los and dying on the wall ten miles ahead.

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This is the most annoying thing I've encountered as a white mage....next time I'll just stand there waiting...watch the tank get pissy...I'll just say - then why you run off? :P

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

This is the most annoying thing I've encountered as a white mage....next time I'll just stand there waiting...watch the tank get pissy...I'll just say - then why you run off? :P

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Probably because theres auto run and right click > follow while you're rolling for loot and the dps have buff timers to keep up. If you need a minute, say something instead of expecting your tank to read your mind. Otherwise, we have a momentum to keep up.

If you're trying to kick, just stop pulling. And if they're tank, just laugh and watch while they try to pull and nobody helps. Had to do this the other day since tank wasn't cooperating with party.