PVP medal system could use a nerf.

As it is now the team with more medals is at such blatant disadvantage you must really be terrible to not make a comeback... and then the whole thing revolves around who times better killing the other team full of medals 1 minute before match ends and retreating to their base.
Complete nonsensical cat and mouse play.
I'm not even against the idea of giving a slight advantage to the team that is losing, but this is beyond ridiculous. Either make vulnerabilities slightly decrease damage taken or give less of them?

The only reason Heavy Medal was tolerable in 3.0 was because tanks could safely 4-stack with enough tools to handle it.

Now it is absolute garbage, causing awful shifts and penalizing winning teams for getting any significant kill lead. The vulnerability values need a significant reduction.

(It also makes Cover extra dangerous to use, when it's used far more frequently than it was in 3.0)

I agree... there's simply no way to defend/heal through medals. Tanks getting 4 stacks early in the game is almost guaranteed to die, and even a single stack on a ranged makes them eligible for death-by-sneeze.

Don't even get me started on cover, as a healer that ability gives me mind games. "Oh... ok, tank has covered, gives me time to heal up the ranged.... Aaaaaaaand tanks dead."

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Originally Posted by Atreus

The only reason Heavy Medal was tolerable in 3.0 was because tanks could safely 4-stack with enough tools to handle it.

Now it is absolute garbage, causing awful shifts and penalizing winning teams for getting any significant kill lead. The vulnerability values need a significant reduction.

(It also makes Cover extra dangerous to use, when it's used far more frequently than it was in 3.0)

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Atreus clearly touched on a very... Very... VERYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY important point which is there are NOT enough skills/variety to survive holding on to these medals. Which why almost all these matches players are so apprehensive and just flat out scared to pick up the earnings of their kill. And safe guard and heal ( let me settle down because "Additional Skills" is a whole new topic that gets my heating gauge up) can only do but so much... :[

I have complain in the past, a team shouldn't be penalized for getting kills, and the more kills you get the more vulnerable your team is? Does that make sense to anyone? You get penalized for winning? The medal system needs a rework.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

I have complain in the past, a team shouldn't be penalized for getting kills, and the more kills you get the more vulnerable your team is? Does that make sense to anyone? You get penalized for winning? The medal system needs a rework.

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I get why they did it. They wanted to make tanks a more viable target late-game. Ideally you want no one but your tank taking medals unless you're super in the lead and already 4-stacked, but then it shouldn't be so debilitating that you're near guaranteed to fall and lose all of it.

Been saying for awhile now that medal stacks should go up in 5% increments, up to 50% on 10 stacks.

The whole system needs a rework. It feels like such a piece-meal thing. If they had to separate PVP and PVE to make PVP more workable and balanced, then great, but they REALLY need to look at Feast and Frontlines and do something about the bots/win-traders/blackout week and all that nonsense.

Remove medals, make match end after 5 kills.

Good old stock battle eh? :p

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Remove medals, make match end after 5 kills.

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That'd be neat. I've lost matches where I killed 8 people.

It's ok, like there's an added element of strategy to collecting and defending medals. If they bring back a standard deathmatch without medals, maybe we could keep both modes, and just shift the rewards / ranking system to the ruleset that the community prefers, without deleting the Feast medals mode as an alternative option for unrated play? When there's more match types available they can have the rotating rewards thing they are planning for Frontlines also apply to Wolves' Den, where there's some incentive to play some old modes sometimes for a change / fun.

We don't need medals deleted, just adjusted a bit so you aren't insta killed like now because there's no way to spread the medals around with the current damage output and defensive CDs. 4 stack tank? Dead. 1 stack anything else? Dead. Being in the lead is way too punishing now. Anyone who played before 4.0 can see this.

It definitely needs adjusting. Winning is far too punishing.

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Originally Posted by Korihu

We don't need medals deleted, just adjusted a bit so you aren't insta killed like now because there's no way to spread the medals around with the current damage output and defensive CDs. 4 stack tank? Dead. 1 stack anything else? Dead. Being in the lead is way too punishing now. Anyone who played before 4.0 can see this.

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I never understood why different classes had the same medal thresholds as each other. You could do some fun stuff by giving tanks & melee more initial medals & capacity, and taking them from healers and ranged.

Something like:

Tank / 150 Initial / 250 Heavy Medal
Melee / 125 Initial / 200 Heavy Medal
Healer / 75 Initial / 150 Heavy Medal
Ranged / 50 Initial / 150 Heavy Medal

One balance issue that crops up is that you can safely ignore tanks unless they overstack, because they simply can't take "enough" medals to be relevant. Boosting their default & carriable medals would do a lot to help with that.

Agreed. I've had matched where we curbstomping the opposing team, yet at the last 30 seconds we all lose because everyone has multiple stacks.

Spreading out medals doesn't even work as much anymore since it only takes 2-3 stacks for things to get out of hand.

The other day I took my loosing team that was sitting on the most minimal number of medals to winning.. in the very last 3 seconds by fester/bahamut death flare on the opposing tank.

I'm pretty sure I heard 4 sets of controllers be thrown out some distant JP windows.

I brought this very subject to attention on reddit and got cackled at. I'm thrilled to see actual PVPers who feel the same way.

There are tons of disadvantages to the medal system. There needs to be an overhaul.

Perhaps in replacement, we could have a point objective based game. Think of it kind of like Shatter, but instead of using Ice we have a crate or something that's worth a large sum of points while killing a player is worth a small sum of points.
Killing a player and grabbing the objective sounds like a solid pvp game. But that's just my opinion. I would go into further detail on how this game mode could work, but I am pretty lazy and don't feel like typing all of that out. Lol.