So recently I made a Geomancer as a Healer role, so after reading some comments, people were saying the GEO was a CNJ like a BLM, but utilized the forces of Earth.
So, I made a Geomancer in a "what-if" case: If it were implemented as Caster, that utilizes the forces of Earth to damage its foes. By utilizing the forces of the earth I mean "Weather Effects," so the Geomancer will make the enemy it's terrain.
Here's what I made.
So, to make it different than a Black Mage, so it won't be just ANOTHER black mage, I designed it with the "Elemental Wheel," in mind.
By Elemental Wheel I mean, to get the most out of DPS, the Geomancer has to cast spells based on their opposite. For example:
How Does Geomancer tie in to the world of Final Fantasy XIV?
Geomancer can be considered an Astrologians opposite as AST utilize the constellation, while Geomancers channel the powers that come from the Earth. With these powers they can manipulate weather and utilize the powers of the Earth to take advantage of nature's array of forces.
Brief Elemental Wheel Example:
Geohelix (a Mild DoT that triggers a sandstorm to consume its foe) >> Enaero III is casted granting a 20 point potency boost.
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So I'll introduce the list of Traits, Abilities, Spells, and the Geosphere Aftermath that'll make up this Elemental Wheel chaining caster as soon as I edit this!
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Geomancer Unique Traits:
o ASTRAL ORDINANCE 65: Allows Geomancer to hold 2 sets of Astral Elements
o DUAL CHANNELING 69: Grants the ability to inflict two Helix Spells at the same time
o GEOSPHERE IMPACT 70: Upon reaching final Elemental chain, a party wide buff may occur that enhances parties members within range.
o GEOSPHERE PULSE: 70: Upon Reaching Final Elemental Chain, an Elemental Defense Down is granted for all party members to inflict 6% damage increase depending on what Spell strikes last.
o UMBRAL ORDINANCE 78: Umbral Elements are granted after casting Ancient Spells.
o EARTHEN SPIRIT 78: KAUSTRA becomes available after collecting all three Umbral Elements.
Geosphere Impact / Pulse
-The Geosphere Impact / Pulse is granted upon a successful Helix cycle. This may give the following depending on the Geomancer's Ordinance:
[*The Ordinance means what Astral Element it's currently holding. So if the Geomancer is holding Astral Earth:
[*Pulse will be: Geosphere Frailty and Impact will be: [Geosphere Focus]
Pulse and Impact Effects have a 15% Chance to inflict status alignments or party wide buffs, and is increased by 5% per Astral Element: totaling out to: 25% Chance
Pulse
• Geosphere Frailty - Decreases enemy defense by 6%
• Geosphere Wilt - Decreases enemy attack by 6%
• Geosphere Malaise - Decreases enemy magical defense by 6%
Impact
• Geosphere Focus - Increases party wide Direct Hit Damage and Rate by 8%
• Geosphere Fury - Increases party wide Critical Hit Damage and Rate by 8%
• Geosphere Haste - Increases party wide Magic Casting and Ability Recast by 8%
Brief Examples for Spells below and how it utilizes the Elemental Wheel:
Without the use of “Chainspell,” and the trait: "Dual Channeling" only ONE Helix can be inflicted on the enemy at any given moment.
Unique Trait: Dual Channeling: Has a 20% Chance to activate and allow two Helix Spells to strike enemy at once, without affecting the Chain Bonus.
[*Meaning two DoT's are active at once]
-When casting an “En” spell, it automatically inflicts an elemental debuff on enemy, allowing it to strike it with its opposite Helix.
This Elemental Debuff effect called “Geosphere Manipulation” has a 8s timer, and continues to increase as the chain continues on. Maximum bonus for timer is 30s, upon striking 30s:
o The Enemy will have an automatic Geosphere Pulse effect [Corresponding to current Element Held] upon reaching Maximum Chain, which is x10% damage increase to Helix Spells for the duration of the 30s.
Once the 30s of Geometric Pulse is gone, a Geosphere Manipulation will begin to tick again at 8s allowing you to continue chaining Helix spells and restart the cycle.
-Opener Example:
o Enstone >> Anemohelix x2%>> Cryohelix x4% >> Pyrohelix x6% >> Enwater x10% >> Ionohelix 8% >> Geohelix 10% (max) >> Enaero x10% >> begin new Helix Cycle.
-Example of Chainspell:
o Ionohelix >> Enstone / Pyrohelix >> Enwater (Potency Increase 280) / Geohelix >> Enaero (Potency Increase 320) x3%
o All helix spells are inflicting damage on foe, and effects can be enhanced via job abilities.
Ancient Magic and how to Activate them.
Ancient Spells require TWO "Astral Elements," of the same Element in order to be casted. So after a Spell Cycle, whatever "En" spell lands last, will result in an Astral Element. For example:
-if Enaero is the last spell on the cycle, you'll be granted "Astral Wind," [x2 Astral Wind unlocks Tornado.]
-Upon casting "Tornado," player will be giving "Umbral Wind"
After acquiring all three "Umbral Elements," Kaustra will unlock to be casted.
Geomancer Abilities
o CARDINAL CHANT: [10s /120s] Boosts Geosphere Arts to enhance buffs or debuffs inflicted on foe by 10%.
o CHAINSPELL: [20s / 120s] Allows the ability to inflict up to three helixes and chain three spells by doubling the second spell, and tripling the potency of the last elemental spell striking the enemy. Can NOT be chained with an Ancient Spell.
o EMANATION: [Consumed upon Use / Recast 3s] Causes next Helix to be an Area of Effect by cutting its potency in half.
o MANIFESTATION: [Consumed upon Use / Recast 3s] Causes next Elemental Spell to be an Area of Effect by cutting its potency in half.
o ELEMENTAL SEAL: [Recast 120s] Increases Astral Element by 1
-ELEMENTAL SPELLS
o ENSTONE I-III: Delivers a powerful force of Earth with the potency of 220 that strikes with a pillar of stone ripping through the earth’s surface. [Potency increased to 240 if enemy is inflicted with Ionohelix]
o ANEMOHELIX I-III: Strikes enemy with a Choking whirlwind with the potency of 60 that damages enemy over time. Duration: 15s
o ENAERO I-III: Delivers a swirling vortex of wind with the potency of 220 to strike enemy. [Potency increased to 240 if enemy is inflicted with Geohelix]
o CRYOHELIX I-II Strikes enemy with a freezing snowstorm with the potency of 40 that damages enemy over time. Duration 15s
o ENWATER I-III: Delivers a powerful spear of water with the potency of 220. [Potency increased to 240 if enemy inflicted with Pyrohelix]
o PYROHELIX I-II: Sends a blistering firestorm to consume enemy with the potency of 40.
o IONOHELIX I-II: Sends a shocking wave of electricity with the potency of 40 that surrounds enemy with shock spikes.
HYDROHELIX I-III: Sends a drowning rainstorm to surround enemy with the potency of 50
o GEOHELIX I-III: Surrounds enemy with a sandstorm with the potency of 50.
*Helix spells corresponding to the Geomancer's core elements, Water, Wind, and Earth, range up to tier III.
-ANCIENT Spells
o QUAKE: A powerful earthquake with the potency of 230 that strikes enemies within the range. [Potency is increased by 20 if Enemy Inflicted with Ionohelix]
o TORNADO: A powerful tornado with the potency of 230 descends from the heavens and consumes its foes within range. [Potency increased by 20 if an enemy(s) are inflicted with Geohelix]
o FLOOD: A powerful wave of water with the potency of 480 ruptures from the ground like a geyser inflicting water damage to an enemy. [Potency increased by 20 if an enemy(s) are inflicted with Pyrohelix]
-ANCIENT FINISHER
o KAUSTRA: A powerful AoE of Wind, Earth, and Water with the potency of 300 that descends like a meteor down on foes. Causes a DoT [3 sec / tick] effect that’s 1/3 the damage dealt. Consumes 30% of MP. Kaustra only accessible after all three Ancient Spells have been casted.
Geomancer as a Caster can be defined as an expert in the Elemental Wheel, as it utilizes the power of an elements opposites to bolster its damage output. Unlike the Black Mage that channels its powers through pure damage, Geomancers have to utilize their cardinal skills to increase their potencies by successfully chaining each spell.
We all know the Geomancer usually takes advantage of its terrain, but seeing FFXIV is very, varied, it may be difficult to accomplish this, so by conjuring the forces of the Earth, the Geomancer can do its own terrain by making the enemy its terrain.
Hope you enjoy! Give me feedback... maybe we may see this fleshed out someday.
Geomancer (Caster DPS)
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08-18-2017, 12:47 AMPatronasCharmGeomancer (Caster DPS)
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08-18-2017, 03:16 AMSylvina
Why even MORE dps classes?
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08-18-2017, 03:54 AMKill3rkoi8082
YES PLEASE!! Im still waiting for Geomancer. I love this idea and fully support it!! lol :)
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08-18-2017, 04:07 AMRobert_Ilcri
Geomancer is already in the game as part of Astrologian's quests. If they did decide to add it, it would more than likely be a healer and not a DPS
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08-18-2017, 04:13 AMJybril
I love Job idea's, but as Robert said, it'll most likely be a healer.
It was in the AST story as a healer. Used Water/Earth.
I would call your job idea an Elementist. ELE for short. :eek: -
08-18-2017, 04:15 AMGhastly
Geomancer was only protecting in the Astrologian story, it was never healing.
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08-18-2017, 04:19 AMBlackcanary
There is already a mega job thread in here which talks about this job why make another thread for this job idea.
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08-18-2017, 04:32 AMPatronasCharmBc DPS classes are fun! You should see my Healer GEO in a different thread; I made two versions lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvina
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08-18-2017, 04:35 AMPatronasCharmYeah I'm hoping it fleshes out to be a healer. I loved GEO in FFXI and enjoyed the nuking capabilities it offered. But since FFXIV doesn't have room for OP support classes, I had to tweak it to be a full fleshed DPS / or a Healer as I stated in one of my older posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jybril
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08-18-2017, 04:58 AMFelis
Aren't Geomancers not already similar to Astrologian by lore? (see AST lv61+ jobquests)
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08-18-2017, 05:13 AMLineageRazor
Geomancer was in the Astrologian questline, but I never saw any healing spells used. On the other hand, Kyokuho was tanking that fox spirit like a boss! Between that and the protective magics, it's possible SE is setting the job up as a mage tank? (I hope I hope I hope)
I'm probably reading too much into it, though; it wouldn't be the first time that SE has used unlikely jobs as tanks in solo instances.
It did seem like the questline was promoting AST+GEO as a team - and what team is more natural than Healer/Tank? -
08-18-2017, 05:59 AMPatronasCharmOh joy! Time to make a tank concept! Either way, however GEO is implemented (hoping it's Healer) I'll be playing it!Quote:
Originally Posted by LineageRazor
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08-18-2017, 06:23 AMTankHunter678You did do a good job coming up with a way to make it a more unique caster compared to existing ones in a way that makes use of the elemental wheel, without having to worry about any particular enemy's resistances but rather through creating openings.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatronasCharm
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08-18-2017, 07:19 AMMimilu
I agree with LineageRazor, just because Geomancers were in AST's story doesn't mean they have to be healers.
As for the concept at hand, I like the idea of placing debuffs to increase the damage of certain attacks but I think they need something to work towards. Like maybe once you complete a cycle you get a buff that lets you use one of your Ancient spells, then once you use your three Ancient spells, you can use your Ancient Finisher spell.
I get that you want them to be on par with a x3 Astral Fire Five IV, but I think the potency of your En- spells are too strong. Maybe instead make it so that the Helix debuffs increase the damage to that amount instead, maybe even have the debuffs power increase via a Trait so then GEO isn't doing level 70 BLM damage at level 50-60. -
08-18-2017, 07:27 AMPatronasCharmYeah I like that addition. Sort of like build a meter that would grant access to an ancient spell. Main purpose behind the ancient spells in this concept is to have an AOE rotation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
Secondly yes, I read the BLM potencies and I reduced it by like 220 for en spells boosting them to 250 while chaining them. Haven't changed it on this post though. -
08-18-2017, 07:33 AMDelilyGeo... nuke? What? You mean the AoE DD spells that drained your mana? Most GEO just turned on the bubbles, macro'ed JAs and then watched TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatronasCharm
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08-18-2017, 08:00 AMBelhi
Considering Geomancy and the AST discipline are described as flipsides of the same coin, I have a feeling that any future Geomancy in FF14 will be tied to the AST class. I mean we literally have a Geomancer learning Astrologian Magic and an Astrologian wanting to learn about Geomancy. There is also the fact the two magics mesh perfectly.
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08-18-2017, 08:38 AMKazrah
Geomancer I've always seen as an interesting concept to pull off, but the whole thing about this strict adherence to the FFXI version means that nothing new and/or innovative can be brought in with the job. The whole hype train with the Geomancers from the Astrologian questline also feels like a massive red herring, as every facet of it simply screams out that it's just a Conjurer with a fresh coat of paint, both in action and in theme. Like I've said in some other thread about Geomancers, I think if we do get Geomancer as a playable job, it will be absolutely nothing like the Hingan version from the Astrologian questline, especially after seeing Ishgardian Astrologians in Coerthas Central Highlands and then getting a job not only looking nothing like those Astrologians, but then using those Astrologians as a plot element much like how I'd suspect Hingan Geomancers to be for a starting Geomancer questline.
Pretty sure if I were to make another Geomancer concept, I'm not sure if I'd make it either a tank or another DPS, but I'm more than positive it would rely more on a theme of magnetism under the notion that geomancy is not manipulation of the earth, but rather manipulation of the force that binds the world together. That way, there wouldn't be any thematic clashing with White Mage while still retaining the appearance of an Eastern-themed spellcaster.
As for this concept, it's not bad. Pretty much of the same mindset as Mimilu in that the cycle system could use more ebb-and-flow to it. -
08-18-2017, 08:46 AMJhett_MagnumWhy not? Yoshi said he'll add jobs until the game shuts down. They should round out the other categories so we have 4 to choose from. If they added a 5th melee dps I'd be pissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvina
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08-18-2017, 08:47 AMPatronasCharmThanks for the feedback, and everyone else's!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
And yeah I completely agree, the concept I implemented was along the lines of: Since FFXIV doesn't necessarily have specific weather patterns etc. to be a GEO like the ones from previous games, the Helix inflicts a "weather"-like phenomenon on the enemy that in return enhances the GEO's capabilities to inflict more damage by taking advantage of the weakness. I can go back in implement some sort of mechanic that allows the GEO to channel a certain element, let's say:
Earth Meter / Water Meter / Wind Meter
If you finish your Helix cycles with let's say "Enaero" it adds to the Wind Meter. Filling up the meter will open the ability to cast: Tornado.
OR have an Astral Wind / Earth / Water effect swirl around the caster. Once three Astral Orbs surround caster, the ability to cast that Ancient AoE.
Then, once all three have been casted, All three Astral Elemental orbs are circling the GEO allowing them to utilize their Ultimate Finisher: Kaustra.
Now, if we're giving GEO Kaustra... might as well give BLM Meteor as a finisher too XD -
08-18-2017, 08:48 AMKazrahhttp://i.imgur.com/EgE5srP.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum
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08-18-2017, 08:51 AMMimiluIf that's the case, they need 1 more Tank, 1 more Healer, 2 more Physical Ranged, and 1 more Caster. >w>Quote:
Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum
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08-18-2017, 04:34 PMKazrahWell given that Meteor is the BLM 3-bar LB, maybe that's your GEO 3-bar?Quote:
Originally Posted by PatronasCharm
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08-18-2017, 06:15 PMCelefIf we had more healer classes they could be fun too :DQuote:
Originally Posted by PatronasCharm
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08-18-2017, 10:03 PMPatronasCharmTrue strike! But at the end of the day if GEO were to be implemented as DPS or Healer, it would be in a new expansion so you'd get to enjoy it playing through story content with it. It's what I did with RDM, and I had such a blast!Quote:
Originally Posted by Celef
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08-19-2017, 08:24 PMPatronasCharmDid some tweaks to make it to where you work your way to Ancient spells!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
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08-29-2017, 06:51 AMPatronasCharm
Made a few tweaks to spells, added unique traits, added Geosphere which is a buff or debuff on enemy. Will add the Ordinance Gauge soon that'll probably be connected to Ancient spells. Anyways hope we can someday see a fan made job be implemented to ffxiv but we'll see.