And then they ask, where are all the healers at..

Hello everyone, I just had the worst dungeon run of my 4 months playing FFXIV, I've been playing a healer for the past two weeks got AST to 57 and decided I wanted to try out SCH did a few dungeon runs was having a lot of fun with it no issues until now, I went into a dungeon don't recall name and the tanks health would drop from 80% to 30% in less then 2 seconds this has never happened before I was quite confused we whipped twice because of this and then people started getting rude, I clearly told them I wasn't sure why his health was dropping so quick all he said was less dpsing and more healing.. I'm not one of those dps let tank die healers so idk what happened and had to leave after after a while because even the dps started complaining about me not dps... seriously... I think I won't be playing healer for a bit.

Did you check the tanks item level? Also what dungeon? If you're properly shielding/ healing the tank, it sounds more like his problem with being undergeared or not popping cooldowns.

Couple things...

1. Particularly at 65+, old gear is now far behind dungeon gear. Sometimes tanks try them in level 60 gear (I even had to quit the 69 one once because of such a tank), but...
2. This can happen pre 60 too, especially with newer tanks. And newer healers that aren't in sync'd gear.
Then, finally... 3. The big pull meta. No place in most leveling dungeons but a lot of tanks like to try it anyways. Bonus points if they don't use CDs.

Welcome to the healer life.

You can't win if you go by how others judge you. Some want you to DPS and scare the heck out of the tank, some want you to only heal, some just won't be happy no matter what. Just do your thing and if people get rude you can mute the chat. If they kick you then fine, no penalty for you and they get to wait for a replacement... if one shows up before they all get bored/frustrated and quit.

Poorly geared tanks who don't use CDs will always be the first to blame you, just so you know. Asking "hey can you use a CD or two you're dropping really fast" isn't unreasonable. The worst they can do is whine at you at which point you just laugh to yourself and curse them to step on legos later or something.

OP - it could be the tank, it could be gear, it could be any number of things. However!
All these should be ignored for the distractions they truly are.
People may even try to throw in internet connections, hardware playing up, cat walking across keyboard (this last one is actually something I did read when healing a group).
All these should be dispensed with, cast aside, they are falsehoods.

There is only one fault:

Blame the Healer!

If for some reason you do not see this in your group, you should leave anyway as they are obviously not experienced in mmo's and have a lot to learn.

Just do your research, stay informed and play your role in the way you know to be right. Then you can ignore it when people blame you when you know you're done everything right.

I'm sorry to tell you, but so is the life of a healer. You should heal more, you should focus more on DPS, Tank is undergeared, Tank doesn't use CDs, Tank pulls half the dungeon, make sure to catch up with sprint-tanks... everything is your fault, no one else is ever at fault. The best advice I can give you is: grow thick skin.

By now I do almost all dungeon runs with at least one of my friends, so if I heal or tank and someone feels like he/she needs to be an asshole, it's a kick, simple as that. Even if I run a dungeon alone I leave the party if people think they need to badmouth me, cause why should I care? As tank or healer I can get into any dungeon in under 5 minutes, while they can sit and wait for another healer or tank to join their sorry group. So, don't let other people bring you down, play the best you can and always be kind and open minded, cause thankfully not everyone in this community is like that! There are still tons of people who wish to help others and overall just want to have a good time and enjoy the game. :)

I can honestly say he wasn't under geared it was a low level dungeon, it's the one that you have to collect two stone tablets and uses them to open the final boss door if I'm not mistaken, I can tell you he was most likely not using CDs, he wasn't even on his tank stance on the first two pulls.

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Originally Posted by Xruxis

snippidy doo dah.

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Ah, Qarn. This dungeon is the first introduction that I know of, of "Final Sting". The little hornets in some pulls have a sort of final attack that has them doing upwards of 50% of the maximum health of the tank. They hurt, bad. There are a couple of factors to mitigate this.

1) DPS the hornets one at a time. Doing all AoE all the time with two hornets in the pull ensures tank death, as both hornets will hit their final sting at about the same time.
2) Tank should be using cooldowns during and after Final Sting. After a sting, they're going to be really low, so anything to keep them up longer is just common sense.
3) Prep your big heals. Lustrate if you have it; if not, get ready to spam Physick. You're probably good to throw some DPS out there, but as soon as you see that hornet casting, stop DPS and focus on healing. Make sure your tank is at full health before the cast goes off, even if it means burning Swiftcast to get a Physick out there.

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

Ah, Qarn. This dungeon is the first introduction that I know of, of "Final Sting". The little hornets in some pulls have a sort of final attack that has them doing upwards of 50% of the maximum health of the tank. They hurt, bad. There are a couple of factors to mitigate this.

1) DPS the hornets one at a time. Doing all AoE all the time with two hornets in the pull ensures tank death, as both hornets will hit their final sting at about the same time.
2) Tank should be using cooldowns during and after Final Sting. After a sting, they're going to be really low, so anything to keep them up longer is just common sense.

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Most importantly, the tank should be stunning at least 1 of the Final Stings.

Ah! See I didn't know that, thank you so much everyone for the replys, I went on run just recent and it went smoothly.

Final sting can do up to 70-90% of the tank's HP. The bees can be interupted, if that's not possible the tank should use a cooldown to soften the blow. DPS should focus 1 bee down at a time if there's 2, spreading the DPS with 2 low DPS means 2 final stings. Lethal for anyone if it hits.

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

cat walking across keyboard (this last one is actually something I did read when healing a group).
All these should be dispensed with, cast aside, they are falsehoods.

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But my cat is an asshole and does this.

I also live in the country, so my internet connection is very poor a good chunk of the time. I do my best to only queue when it's stable, but sometimes I just get hit with a lag spike out of nowhere. If you honestly believe people can't have internet/hardware/other issues like children or pets interfering, you probably shouldn't be doing duty finder.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

But my cat is an asshole and does this.

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I can attest to this. There have been plenty of times where just out of nowhere my cat will jump on me and lay across the keyboard just so I'll rub her belly.

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

Ah, Qarn. This dungeon is the first introduction that I know of, of "Final Sting". The little hornets in some pulls have a sort of final attack that has them doing upwards of 50% of the maximum health of the tank. They hurt, bad.

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Something that helps me deal with this is mark the bee to be killed first. Most dps switch when they see a big fat 1 on a mob's head. And of course I dot it and dps it myself if healing allows for it.

Final Sting has a cast bar so you can see the spell being casted on your enemy list or your target pane. If it is being casted, start precasting a heal so that it will land directly after Final Sting hits, so your tank will get topped up asap.

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Originally Posted by New_Game_Plus

I can attest to this. There have been plenty of times where just out of nowhere my cat will jump on me and lay across the keyboard just so I'll rub her belly.

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Coincidentally, right after i posted that, my cat ran behind my desk and did...something, managing to turn off both my power strip and pull on the monitor cord hard enough to unseat my video card.

I love him. He's a jerk though.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

Coincidentally, right after i posted that, my cat ran behind my desk and did...something, managing to turn off both my power strip and pull on the monitor cord hard enough to unseat my video card.

I love him. He's a jerk though.

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I think I should have made my Blame the Healer humor excuses a bit more outlandish as some people read it and Wooosh right over the head.
So, rather than cat walking across keyboard:

People may even try to throw in internet connections, hardware playing up, cat walking across keyboard hamster trying to mate with my gaming mouse.
All these should be dispensed with, cast aside, they are falsehoods.

Playing as a Tank main and midcore Healer i can say some things.

As a Tank i see:
Healers need to me more reactive. I see a lot of Healers just spamming one Button Physick/Cure2. You have so many other skills/buffs and instant heals on your Hotbar.
A lot of Healers are just too slow/lazy casting one Heal like every 5-7 seconds and doing nothing else. When there is a little damage spike they tend to be overwhelmed and dont know what to do.
Pls make some research and know the differences and the pros/cons of each tanks. Its not much since there are only 3.
If you "always get the bad Tanks" you maybe have to step up your game.

As a Healer i see:
A lot of Tanks not using CDs and pulling way too much. But somehow i manage to heal them and finding some chance to do DPS. Thanks to my buffs, HoTs and oGCD.
Keep track of their CDs like focustarget.

Many Tanks dont know which mobs are doing magic damage. So keep your eyes out for that.
Try healing a lot trough your HoTs and instant heals (oGCD) and combo them with your buffs etc.
Be fast and think fast, you cant sleep as a healer like in Sastasha. Those times are over!

For both roles:
Know where the big damage is and try to know or predict the next mechanic. For precasting hots/heals and using cds etc.

Blaming the Tank/Healer isnt going anywhere if you dont know what happend. In that case its always your fault.
If you know what happend and you can explain why or how then feel free to blame/bully.

EDIT: If your DD's are shit you have to heal a lot more. Tanks too have a limitations to their CDs so if mobs are living more than 2min they cant do anymore, so its probably RIP.

If the problem is the bees with Final Sting during the Teratotaur then it's definitely a problem with dps not killing the bees (as long as the tank isn't dying outright, which would mean he's not doing the doom mechanic correctly). Those bees that are summoned are not hard to kill, so unless both of your dps is undergeared or unaware, you should be easily passing this dps check. Heck, if the tank was gear level sync'd he could have switched over to damaging the bees and probably killed at least one of them before they start casting Final Sting.

Well I don\\'t claim to be the best healer out there and I know there is still a lot for me to learn, however as the healer role I mostly lvl just doing dungeon since it\\'s so fast to get in them, I\\'ve done this dungeon before countless times when I started AST and about 8 or more as SCH, so if I do well in all runs except one and I know things aren\\'t going well, should I just say it\\'s all my fault? That wouldn\\'t make since because I know the basic of healing, I don\\'t let my tanks get lower then 70% health and have even been told by other healers that i should wait until half before healing, I disagree because anything can happen, my point is that I know it wasn\\'t just "me", yes I lacked the knowledge about the final sting but when you are dropping in seconds even though my fairy and myself are healing you.. something is wrong, I also shield my tanks before each pull, perhaps I need to learn to play SCH better since I have never had any issues like this on AST.

If this threat came as an attack to Tanks that was not my intention.

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Originally Posted by Xruxis

If this threat came as an attack to Tanks that was not my intention.

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As someone who mains tank classes, I did not view this as a "Tank attack" thread. This was more of what I believe is a first-of-many-possibles in your future.

Unfortunately, as I have described in other threads, that is what happens when you go solo in DF. If you go solo in DF, you are submitting to the RNG of who you get. Most runs you will have are OK, nothing great. For the minority amount of time at the either end of the spectrum, you will have awesome runs and the world's worst runs. The best thing to do is to no get emotionally invested in the bad runs and just use the bad runs as learning experiences only.

As at least one other person on here as suggested, I would also suggest for you to go with at least one other person you trust to do DF. Having the one set person you trust in your party when queuing for DF reduces the chance of your run being bad, and it having the run become just OK.

Also, as someone else as said in this thread, grow thicker skin. If you play a role that has "responsibility" beyond whacking a monster, growing thicker skin is mandatory. Of course, we call could benefit from growing thicker skin.

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Originally Posted by Xruxis

If this threat came as an attack to Tanks that was not my intention.

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Although the tank could stun the bee and prevent final sting from going off, it's not his fault, it's our fault. Imagine we just wiped to final sting, instead of going, "Tank you need to stun the bee before final sting goes off." You instead should blame the group as a whole with yourself included. "We need to focus target the bee's and kill them before final sting goes off or stun them as the cast is going off". It's good to remember, a good number of DPS classes have stuns as well and laying all the blame on one person is a good way to lose a party member or start a fight.

I'm not saying you specifically do this, but I've seen it happen with pugs. A little kindness and empathy can go a long way.

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Originally Posted by Xruxis

Ah! See I didn't know that, thank you so much everyone for the replys, I went on run just recent and it went smoothly.

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It's one of those fun dungeons that are no longer designed, where trash can have deadly mechanics and multi-pulls can be deadly if not handled carefully.

There is also the Doom in the first boss that can only be erased by stepping in the shifting glowing platforms, and bee adds that if ignored will do another Final Sting.

There was nothing you could do to save that tank. By calling you out, that tank showed he had no clue what he was doing, and the DPS were also not doing what they were supposed to be doing.

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I remember my first run as a healer through Sohm Al. That first pull can be hard even for an experienced healer, even if the tank uses cool downs. I was new, undergeared, and the tank didn't use cool downs, and he barraged me because he died nearly instantly. I never forgot the Tank's name, in part because it was extremely ironic. He ended dropping from the dungeon and I even just went and looked up his profile (wont name him) and he never got his DRK past 54. Usually players that yell out and vent like children are doing so because they, themselves, are just bad. Don't be surprised if those players end up quitting their roles or even the game by the time you get to 70, so don't let the words of terrible players get to you.

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

I think I should have made my Blame the Healer humor excuses a bit more outlandish as some people read it and Wooosh right over the head.
So, rather than cat walking across keyboard:

People may even try to throw in internet connections, hardware playing up, cat walking across keyboard hamster trying to mate with my gaming mouse.
All these should be dispensed with, cast aside, they are falsehoods.

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If your point was that people frequently lie about why they're playing badly, yes, obviously that's true, but people also frequently have internet/hardware problems. It's better, in my mind, to just believe them (or act as if you believe them) because it's really not worth the drama and internet problems especially can be frequent enough that who are you to call it a lie?

As echoed, such is the life of a healer. Something goes south, even if it's not your fault, you'll be blamed. Not always mind you. Buth healers and tank are often the ones who get the most flack when things aren't going to plan, even if it's somebody else who's messing up. And whilst a healer can help pick up the slack when other people mistakes, there's less room for everybody else to pick up the slack if the healer makes mistakes. Which is why I am happy to help when on my RDM if it's necessary.

if a person is being a douche, handle it as you see fit. Kicking them for harassment can be great, especially if they're a DPS, because of DPS queues. Or reporting for harassing. Or if you can say something witty enough to put them in their place, maybe that can be cathartic and make them think twice. Or just put up with it and just put it down to the luck of the draw. Of course, you could do customer service thing, do the minimal required to do your job. ;)

I main healers in different mmos for years and this is nothing new... its the life of a healer. A few years ago I watched this guide that changed my way of thinking. You are not alone..

https://youtu.be/2DxS7eT_ky4

Enjoy :D

Lmao! Best guide ever!

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Originally Posted by Taika

Most importantly, the tank should be stunning at least 1 of the Final Stings.

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To bad se took our stuns away and palidan is the only one wit a stun

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

To bad se took our stuns away and palidan is the only one wit a stun

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Well yeah, but all tanks do get Low Blow which can be used to stun 1 enemy at least. :)

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Originally Posted by Taika

Well yeah, but all tanks do get Low Blow which can be used to stun 1 enemy at least. :)

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having a stun is a wasted slot of me on tank, anticipation cause I dont trust healers, awareness, provoke, conv, rampart all slots filled , thus only one I can stun with is palidan

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

having a stun is a wasted slot of me on tank, anticipation cause I dont trust healers, awareness, provoke, conv, rampart all slots filled , thus only one I can stun with is palidan

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When I'm tanking, I consider my responsibility to try to mitigate as much as damage as possible, and this includes stunning significant monster attacks. I would swap Anticipation for Low Blow for dungeons where you know you'll have to stun (same as when I'm healing I'll swap Esuna in when I know I'll have to use it).

Edit: I actually meant to say to swap Awareness away, it has very limited uses.

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Originally Posted by Taika

When I'm tanking, I consider my responsibility to try to mitigate as much as damage as possible, and this includes stunning significant monster attacks. I would swap Anticipation for Low Blow for dungeons where you know you'll have to stun (same as when I'm healing I'll swap Esuna in when I know I'll have to use it).

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drk for example if you dont take antiaption your only form of mitigation is rampart, and shadow wall on physical attacks , because living dead is something I try not to use because alot of healers just dont get it. If I dont take antipation then theres no need to take awareness because the two pair well together. And for someone who does large pulls in every dungeon antiaption is a must, lowblow the only time I know a stun would help is the level 61 dungeon, and even then its really not even needed his seduce isnt gona kill you.

As for the bees in qarn its simply just a dps check you just kill the bees first shouldnt be a problem, but darknights df cool down kit is a joke seeing as how their best skill isnt even usable until level 70 so you can only use it in four dungeons now and the primals and raids. As a tank Ill take any kinda df cool down thats available especially in a df situation, or pugging situation. Those bees are just mostly a dps check and when you have two of them at once which is only one time if you focus down one then you should be fine.

Qarn, tank does have to try and stun, and CD through it, but DPS should never be so low as to see final sting, ever.
Ive never seen final sting when im DPSing with someone else who is roughly on par or better than me.

w/o tank stance, final sting will do all of your HP in dmg if no CD i sup.
(I think you have like 2-2.2k hp, and it does 2-2.5k hp in dmg. with a tank stance or a single CD, and at full HP, you'll survive. there is a pull with double final stings, to which you need 1 killed, and stun the other, or CD through it.)
But jsut wait till Lv63+ dungeons, when tanks are so under geared they go from full HP to 20% hp in a single GCD. And wait till one round and they get crit by a few enemies, they are as good as dead if they have no CD up. (and if its proc based, like anticipation/bulwark, and fails to lower dmg, AND the crits go out, as they cant be parried/blocked.)

I have a macro that will help with this

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