Starting out - who are the best Dds? Who are the best soloers?

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12-28-2011, 05:22 AM
Aoki

Starting out - who are the best Dds? Who are the best soloers?

I've been poking around a bunch on playing around with the different classes, and I've been wondering...

End-game, How are the DDs lined up, from highest to lowest? I know THM is top, but where do the rest fit in there?

From what I've gathered, THM>Arc=Mrd>Lnc=Pgl=Cnj>Gla - but this is Rank 1-10, not much to go on. How does this ranking fit in the higher levels?

Also, who are the better soloing classes? I find PGL can solo pretty well - but I hear GLA is the tank, and as such can tank and be pretty self-supportive with cross-class abilities. Also with thm getting the most reliant Heavy(that I've seen), I'm seeing some possibilities here as well.

Thank you very much for reading, and hopefully responding. :)
12-28-2011, 05:31 AM
NoctisUmbra

PGL is best solo.

Also, who told you THM is best DD. That is quite funny lol. It's not bad at all really, but far from being best DD. Run out of MP and you're done. It's the best burst DD, to burn down a single target. For extended battles though it starts to run into a number of restrictions in order to maintain MP.

Overall I'd say ARC has the most consistent DPS ability due to its flexibility. PGL does the most single target damage from what I can tell. LNC appears to require building up to it's high damage potential, and is based on critical hits.

DDs overall are quite balanced right now to be honest.
12-28-2011, 06:11 AM
Aoki

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

PGL is best solo.

Also, who told you THM is best DD. That is quite funny lol. It's not bad at all really, but far from being best DD. Run out of MP and you're done. It's the best burst DD, to burn down a single target. For extended battles though it starts to run into a number of restrictions in order to maintain MP.

Overall I'd say ARC has the most consistent DPS ability due to its flexibility. PGL does the most single target damage from what I can tell. LNC appears to require building up to it's high damage potential, and is based on critical hits.

DDs overall are quite balanced right now to be honest.

Like I said - most of this is between experience of r1-10(which isn't a fair way to figure classes worth), and speaking with only a handful of players.

R1-10, LNC seems to do HALF the damage of...every other DD. Marauder pulling the best, hence why I put them so far apart.

THM seems to put out MONSTEROUS numbers. Again - this is only in the lower ranks though. What you said makes sense though - lacking damage in the long run.

I have to ask though: What makes PGL better than GLA?
12-28-2011, 06:14 AM
NoctisUmbra

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Originally Posted by Aoki

Like I said - most of this is between experience of r1-10(which isn't a fair way to figure classes worth), and speaking with only a handful of players.

R1-10, LNC seems to do HALF the damage of...every other DD. Marauder pulling the best, hence why I put them so far apart.

THM seems to put out MONSTEROUS numbers. Again - this is only in the lower ranks though. What you said makes sense though - lacking damage in the long run.

I have to ask though: What makes PGL better than GLA?

Much, much higher DPS, two Weaponskills that Stun. It is also quite proficient at survival via evasion and Fists of Earth.
12-28-2011, 06:21 AM
Aoki

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Much, much higher DPS, two Weaponskills that Stun. It is also quite proficient at survival via evasion and Fists of Earth.

I see. Thank you very much for your (rather quick) answers! :)
12-28-2011, 07:07 AM
RinMorikaze

First I'd like to say, DD's are pretty balanced across the board now in terms of overall damage.

However, similarly to what Noctis says, PGL is probably the easiest to solo with. It is a very flexible class. It has high survivability with it's own abilities Second Wind, Featherfoot, Fists of Earth. It has CC with Haymaker. It has magic damage for those creatures strong to physical with Fists of Fire. Pulling off WS Combos isn't too difficult as well. Especially when you can stun a mob and run to it's backside to pull of Pounce to start a combo.

ARC is good, but requires a bit of skill. I suppose you can Light Shot and just use WS's at point blank, but if you kite a target with Leaden Arrow or bind them with Shadowbind, you can pull off all your WS's. ARC is the only non caster class whose WS Combos do not require directional positioning to fire off, just distance. You can still do them simply by running to create distance but meh. Although I'd have to say, ARC does hit hard when you can combo.

I'd comment on the other classes but I'd have to say if you're going to solo, PGL, if not, all classes are awesome to play since patch.
12-28-2011, 08:10 AM
Aoki

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Originally Posted by RinMorikaze

First I'd like to say, DD's are pretty balanced across the board now in terms of overall damage.

However, similarly to what Noctis says, PGL is probably the easiest to solo with. It is a very flexible class. It has high survivability with it's own abilities Second Wind, Featherfoot, Fists of Earth. It has CC with Haymaker. It has magic damage for those creatures strong to physical with Fists of Fire. Pulling off WS Combos isn't too difficult as well. Especially when you can stun a mob and run to it's backside to pull of Pounce to start a combo.

ARC is good, but requires a bit of skill. I suppose you can Light Shot and just use WS's at point blank, but if you kite a target with Leaden Arrow or bind them with Shadowbind, you can pull off all your WS's. ARC is the only non caster class whose WS Combos do not require directional positioning to fire off, just distance. You can still do them simply by running to create distance but meh. Although I'd have to say, ARC does hit hard when you can combo.

I'd comment on the other classes but I'd have to say if you're going to solo, PGL, if not, all classes are awesome to play since patch.

Disregarding speed for a moment - does PGL still have more survivability than GLA? and if so - can they tank effectively? If not, Can GLA solo things PGL cannot?
12-28-2011, 08:27 AM
NoctisUmbra

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Originally Posted by Aoki

Disregarding speed for a moment - does PGL still have more survivability than GLA? and if so - can they tank effectively? If not, Can GLA solo things PGL cannot?

Survival is not the only thing that matters for soloing. GLA can perhaps survive longer, but also will take longer to kill. Basically drag things out. I doubt GLA can solo something PGL can't - because like I said they will be dragging it out.

PGL can have comparable survivability - although noticeably less. However, it deals drastically greater damage than a GLA. Also, the Stun control helps tons in solo encounters.
12-28-2011, 08:39 AM
Aoki

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Survival is not the only thing that matters for soloing. GLA can perhaps survive longer, but also will take longer to kill. Basically drag things out. I doubt GLA can solo something PGL can't - because like I said they will be dragging it out.

PGL can have comparable survivability - although noticeably less. However, it deals drastically greater damage than a GLA. Also, the Stun control helps tons in solo encounters.

Thank you kindly for all of the swift replies. I'm thinking I'll just bring up Pgl, Arc(have to anyways for camo), and Gla to mess around with. :) Push the soloing capabilities of players, ya'know? Off to leveling!
12-28-2011, 08:40 AM
NoctisUmbra

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Originally Posted by Aoki

Thank you kindly for all of the swift replies. I'm thinking I'll just bring up Pgl, Arc(have to anyways for camo), and Gla to mess around with. :) Push the soloing capabilities of players, ya'know? Off to leveling!

You're welcome, and enjoy!
12-28-2011, 08:44 AM
RinMorikaze

I'd say GLA has more survivability or staying power, but not that much more. I was with a Spiritbond party where no one wanted to kill the Boneknitters and they all wiped. If I recall, there were five or so mobs still fighting me on my GLA. I had time to raise twice (actually... when they died, I raised one, so the length of the CD is about how long I survived without help.) before finally succumbing to the mobs and new pops. I simply couldn't burn them down fast enough solo (since they thought we were going to die they didn't help... bah, if I just had one healer actually healing...). Then again, this was on patch day, so my experience on the new combat system was noob so I could be utterly wrong here.

Can PGL tank efficiently? I haven't tanked much on my PGL since patch, but one of my LS's uses PGL to tank during the Moogle fight. Why? Deals more dmg, and only takes slightly more damage than a GLA. Of course we could have tanked it with a MRD but the PGL was able to help burn down the GLA Moogle at the start of the fight. Fists of Fire damage is not mitigated by the GLA Moogle. Err, so I got off track there... but I do believe PGL can tank efficiently in a PT. You can cross many of the tanking abilities over. You know, I think I'll go tank on my PGL and see what strengths and weaknesses I can take from it. Or I'll ask my PGL buddies. :D

Also, while there might be, I personally don't know of anything that a GLA can solo that a PGL cannot. I tried killing some NM's on various classes while farming gear for some LS members. I found PGL to be one of the better NM slaying classes. Fast on kills while taking only a moderate amount of damage compared to some of the other classes. Probably didn't take much because of the faster kills tho.

I hope I'm addressing your questions properly.
12-28-2011, 08:54 AM
Aoki

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Originally Posted by RinMorikaze

I'd say GLA has more survivability or staying power, but not that much more. I was with a Spiritbond party where no one wanted to kill the Boneknitters and they all wiped. If I recall, there were five or so mobs still fighting me on my GLA. I had time to raise twice (actually... when they died, I raised one, so the length of the CD is about how long I survived without help.) before finally succumbing to the mobs and new pops. I simply couldn't burn them down fast enough solo (since they thought we were going to die they didn't help... bah, if I just had one healer actually healing...). Then again, this was on patch day, so my experience on the new combat system was noob so I could be utterly wrong here.

Can PGL tank efficiently? I haven't tanked much on my PGL since patch, but one of my LS's uses PGL to tank during the Moogle fight. Why? Deals more dmg, and only takes slightly more damage than a GLA. Of course we could have tanked it with a MRD but the PGL was able to help burn down the GLA Moogle at the start of the fight. Fists of Fire damage is not mitigated by the GLA Moogle. Err, so I got off track there... but I do believe PGL can tank efficiently in a PT. You can cross many of the tanking abilities over. You know, I think I'll go tank on my PGL and see what strengths and weaknesses I can take from it. Or I'll ask my PGL buddies. :D

Also, while there might be, I personally don't know of anything that a GLA can solo that a PGL cannot. I tried killing some NM's on various classes while farming gear for some LS members. I found PGL to be one of the better NM slaying classes. Fast on kills while taking only a moderate amount of damage compared to some of the other classes. Probably didn't take much because of the faster kills tho.

I hope I'm addressing your questions properly.

Yes, That was exactly the answer I was looking for.

Thank you very much! :)