Black Mage Skill Merge Scathe=transpose?

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Anyone else think this is a good idea or no? I often times find myself pressing transpose to save enochian continuation for foul but I never use scathe anymore.

Curious as to if other blm are using scathe for any purpose? Just thinking merging the two into 1 skill would be pretty useful in the sense that you usually have to press transpose when running to avoid something anyway last second otherwise you are casting your more powerful spells immediately after dodging, scathe would be a dps loss waiting for cooldown after dodge. Bards are able to sing for a small dps amount, just seemed like a scathe/transpose would work well as the same thing combined.

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Originally Posted by Mycow8me

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How would this work? Transpose does not have any target requirements. Scathe does. I don't know of any "target optional" abilities, but I imagine it would be a real pain to program. Transpose is most useful between trash packs, and during jump phases, so scathe wouldn't exactly fit alongside it.

hmm, this is true. Completely forgot about the fact that sometimes we would need to transpose without a target. Maybe scathe could be used to increase the remaining time left on current stacks by 5 or something and also keep transpose? I might actually use scathe in that case.

I still use scathe when I really need to move and have no better options (triple/swift/procs), and as a makeshift execute when something is about to die.

I'd rather them just remove the MP cost from scathe completely or make it give you back MP instead.

Stop asking games to take skills away!

Not asking them to take them away, the original idea was to merge them but on second look it wouldn't work. I really don't use scathe in combat at all, even while dodging due to ogcd recast. If it increased current time remaining on astral or umbral by like 5 or something I'd use it while dodging despite its ogcd probably in the case of not wanting to lose 3 stacks of umbral or astral and can maintain countdown while dodging without really losing time in rotation.

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Originally Posted by Nhisso

Stop asking games to take skills away!

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No one's going to lament Scathe in the next skill culling.

Back in HW, I suggested that Scathe could be reworked as a skill that extends Astral Fire/Umbral Ice by 5 or 6 seconds, so that you're not screwed too badly by movement. I still think that would serve a useful purpose for BLM.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Back in HW, I suggested that Scathe could be reworked as a skill that extends Astral Fire/Umbral Ice by 5 or 6 seconds, so that you're not screwed too badly by movement. I still think that would serve a useful purpose for BLM.

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I agree most definitely, this helps alot of people because at some point if dodging screws up their rotation they don't know what to do next to affectively continue it in the best way other than starting over. With an extender while dodging you can literally just continue where you left off. I wish I could rename the thread title but ah well.

refresh timer would be nice, but if it cost zero MP that would be even better, or if enhanced would always proc and enhanced instead of doing double damage would give you back the MP from both the first and the second

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Back in HW, I suggested that Scathe could be reworked as a skill that extends Astral Fire/Umbral Ice by 5 or 6 seconds, so that you're not screwed too badly by movement. I still think that would serve a useful purpose for BLM.

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I like this idea but I would also like to see a visual rework of the skill more than anything. Its visual is underwhelming...but that is just my opinion. On thread topic, I do use scathe if I need to move and have no other procs or abilities to use to support my movement aside from AM. I always want to damage the enemy in some form or another and scather helps me sometimes.

Scathe is just a skill that I'll use for these reasons:

1. Is moving, but doesn't have Swiftcast / Triplecast / Firestarter / Thundercloud ready.
2. Finish off a low-HP mob at 1-3% HP after a cast.

The effect's subtlety is good. Because Scathe is not meant to be a big burst or something, just a flick.

And no, don't merge with Transpose. The skills are fine as they are.

1-3% is the "execute" that I referred to earlier. Also, I'd like to see more out of enhanced scathe. Percent chance for double damage or critical damage on BLM's weakest skill (lol?) is pointless.

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Originally Posted by Llugen

1-3% is the "execute" that I referred to earlier. Also, I'd like to see more out of enhanced scathe. Percent chance for double damage or critical damage on BLM's weakest skill (lol?) is pointless.

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I mean, it's 120p on average. Woo!

Speaking of executes, I'd like Death as one akin to Assassinate and such. Maybe with the added flair of killing overworld mobs instantly. Not like they take more than one F4 when they're under 20% anyway.

let scathe exist as it is, .. but let a transpose do a "scathe" potency damage would be nice

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Originally Posted by Shiroe

let scathe exist as it is, .. but let a transpose do a "scathe" potency damage would be nice

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with the same trait as scathe (can proc too)

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Originally Posted by Shiroe

with the same trait as scathe (can proc too)

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We already reached the conclusion that this probably would not work earlier in the thread. In order for transpose to work in this case you would need a target and transpose is most valuable when there is no target to continue a state of astral/umbral.

I really think scathe increasing duration by 5 is a great idea, people wont be so worried about trying to finish a spell before dodging and get hit instead. Why would you if you can run and scathe instantly for a 5 second gain on astral/umbral then continue where you left off? Best rotation saver and blm certainly needs one for high motion fights.

Here's what I'd like to see: for Transpose to be automatic if Enochian is active. As in, if you're about to run out of AF/UI, you swap to one stack of the opposite instead. Saves you a bunch of hotkey spam in dungeons.

I always found it kind of a letdown in this game, when they take skills that were epic turbo-atomic lazer-rays of death and suffering in previous FFs (i.e. Scathe in FFXII) and make them little love taps in FFXIV.