[Request] Please make event gear harder to get outside of in-game events.

Since people are missing the point I shall place it here. Event items are rewards for participating in the event and actively subscribing to the game. They are the carrot, or positive reinforcement. Putting those items in the MogStation reduces their value as carrots.

Please make event gear harder to get outside of in-game events. Make more of the event gear obtainable only through the in-game events and not through the MogStation.

If you simply *have* to put it on the Mogstation, please reduce the time it is available, and allow 2 year to elapse between the event and it becoming available on the MogStation.

Also, event items from the prior year should continue to be sold in-game during the following year's event, using whatever event currency/token is implemented for the event.

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What is the point of offering event rewards in game to players who participate in an event, if that gear is then later offered to everyone regardless of participation via the MogStation. I believe that event participation would be higher if this policy were implemented.

Also, in a related request, please make events a little more elaborate so that it's not as simple as walking between a few NPCs and talking to them to gain the event item. Please make use of open world content or mini-games to give us something to actually do to obtain the rewards, something that is, more difficult that simply logging in.

Please often complain about limited availability items demanding that they be placed on the MogStation. I feel though that giving in to that demand actually diminishes the in-game events. When these items remain difficult or impossible to obtain, players a re encouraged to participate in the events themselves to get the items. Players need to be subscribed to participate, so I feel that reducing event reward item availability and making it more exclusive to the in-game events could have a positive impact on subscriptions as well as event participation rates.

Please prevent in-game event reward items from being listed on the MogStation so that they can only be obtained via in-game events. Alternately, please delay their introduction on the MogStation by two years from the original event instead of one, and only sell them during the time the related even it running in-game.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

What is the point of offering event rewards in game to players who participate in an event, if that gear is then later offered to everyone regardless of participation via the MogStation.

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Mhmm... you get it for free?

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Originally Posted by IzVale

Mhmm... you get it for free?

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Huh, I always through that the idea was you snooze you lose. So if you want the fancy glamour of furniture items, you participate. Free itself is relative since I pay a subscription, and in order to play the events I must be subscribed.

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Originally Posted by IzVale

Mhmm... you get it for free?

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Well, given the prices they charge, they're not that much tbh. So I can understand why she might say that. Let's say the past event orch rolls, which are I think £1.19, cost £1'190'000 (yes, almost £1.2m), then this would be a better perk.

Look at me, I want to be a special snowflake and not let anyone else get items that were of trivial difficulty to get anyway.

How about no, they put a decent price on it, it's a year after the event, that's plenty of time for you to flaunt it on your character over new players. They're just meant to be cool little season things.

"people can't have the digital goods I have"

... humanity

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Originally Posted by Areic

Look at me, I want to be a special snowflake and not let anyone else get items that were of trivial difficulty to get anyway.

How about no, they put a decent price on it, it's a year after the event, that's plenty of time for you to flaunt it on your character over new players. They're just meant to be cool little season things.

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But here's the thing, the Yo-Kai event (which let's be fair, is likely to end up on the mog station at some point), I was around for it. But I didn't think it worth participating in it. I was of the mindset of "If it comes to the mog station, I'll pick up bits and bats then, if not, no skin off my back", because of the intense FATE grinds it involved. Now, if the prices were jacked up considerably (by a factor of at least 10), then it would change my mind. And I'm usually one to partake in events, and not afraid of a grind. But the rewards themselves, knowing maybe 5-10 years down the line they might go on the mog station, figured "I'll pick up what I want then." I didn't want to do the extreme grind for the Yo-Kai stuff to get both mounts (which from what I hear, was a ridiculous grind that is on relic weapon levels).

Also, let's bring up RuneScape as an example again. If you miss an event, you will NEVER get those items. Period dot. They don't offer them the following year, they don't put them on a cash shop. To quote Kosmos, "You snooze, you lose".

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Originally Posted by Areic

Look at me, I want to be a special snowflake and not let anyone else get items that were of trivial difficulty to get anyway.

How about no, they put a decent price on it, it's a year after the event, that's plenty of time for you to flaunt it on your character over new players. They're just meant to be cool little season things.

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Special snowflake eh? Yeah, like that insult has never been used before. As I said in my post, it's about encouraging active participation in events and of course remaining subscribed. But yes, I do think that you should have to participate in an event to receive its rewards. You snooze, you lose.

I think it sucks they put anything that has already been developed and designed for the game, and been in the game once, on the mog station. It just makes me feel like my Subscription counts for less and less. Some people say that some of the items on the cash shop wouldn't have been there if not for the cash shop, but when they put items that have already been in the game on there, it just kind of reeks.

Exclusivity is a cancer killing gaming, and anyone who supports it is what's wrong with gaming nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Special snowflake eh? Yeah, like that insult has never been used before. As I said in my post, it's about encouraging active participation in events and of course remaining subscribed. But yes, I do think that you should have to participate in an event to receive its rewards. You snooze, you lose.

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Or you snooze, you buy it off the Mogstation and I get it free.

I've been around for these events. I do not care if you want to buy the stuff off Mogstation. I've got mine! It doesn't mean less to me because you have it too! But I'm an adult so I'm of an entirely different mindset.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Exclusivity is a cancer killing gaming, and anyone who supports it is what's wrong with gaming nowadays.

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Exclusive perks help drive sales during certain periods (example, pre-ordering a game). Heck, it's driven me to pre-order a few things myself. It's a valid business tactic.

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

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But when the event is unfairly balanced that people would rather spend their time doing other things and then pick it up off the mog station (Yo Kai is the only example of this I have btw, for the other events, I haven't minded the grinds involved, such as the smaller doses of FATE farming, but Yo Kai was apparently ridiculous), whenever it becomes available, does highlight a flaw somewhere. Especially when you factor in current prices, the Yo Kai mount will probably be about £7 assuming it follows the same single character bound system as the White Devil/Red Baron. That's less than a month's sub, even at entry level! I can certainly see why it would upset some people, since you can only buy subs in minimum blocks of 1 month.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

But when the event is unfairly balanced that people would rather spend their time doing other things and then pick it up off the mog station (Yo Kai is the only example of this I have btw, for the other events, I haven't minded the grinds involved, such as the smaller doses of FATE farming, but Yo Kai was apparently ridiculous), whenever it becomes available, does highlight a flaw somewhere.

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That Yo-Kai event was insane. Just doing the FATE grinding I leveled a Conjurer from about level 12 to a level 35 WHM before the FATEs were out of her range due to other field monsters.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Exclusivity is a cancer killing gaming, and anyone who supports it is what's wrong with gaming nowadays.

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I have a different 'e' word that fits your statement far, far better. Take a look;

Entitlement is a cancer killing gaming, and anyone who supports it is what's wrong with gaming nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

That Yo-Kai event was insane. Just doing the FATE grinding I leveled a Conjurer from about level 12 to a level 35 WHM before the FATEs were out of her range due to other field monsters.

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LOL, it wasn't insane, it didn't take very long, and I got all the weapons I needed, I didn't bother with the 2nd mount, though I could have.

Uh....please take a look at your original post, followed by this one.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Please make event gear harder to get outside of in-game events. Make more of the event gear obtainable only through the in-game events and not through the MogStation.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Entitlement is a cancer killing gaming, and anyone who supports it is what's wrong with gaming nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

LOL, it wasn't insane, it didn't take very long, and I got all the weapons I needed, I didn't bother with the 2nd mount, though I could have.

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If you went for everything it was. And if your RNG was/is crap. RNG hates me and always takes forever to give me what I need to move on through quests(especially when FATEs are involved.

*Shrugs*
They won't stop because it gives them cash.
All there is too it. If people want to buy it on Mog then cool, let them.
Least the first time around you got it for free. I don't care either way.
They are just items lol.

Do you know you're actively petitioning Square to stop getting more money? It's why I'm not bothered about the outcome of this thread. It's just funny to me.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

What is the point of offering event rewards in game to players who participate in an event, if that gear is then later offered to everyone regardless of participation via the MogStation.

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If you already have the event item and later the event item are available on mogstation then congrats, you've saved yourself a few bucks.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

If you went for everything it was. And if your RNG was/is crap. RNG hates me and always takes forever to give me what I need to move on through quests(especially when FATEs are involved.

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Yeah, there's no inconsistency in my posts. I'm not the one complaining that gear that was designed an implemented in game should be made available via the MogStation because I missed the event for <insert reasons>. Demanding that event items be made available seems to me to be case of entitlement since you missed the event itself, so why should the gear be made available outside the game so you can obtain it for $$? Entitlement?

RNG hates me. I worked for Atma for weeks and had a grant total of 3 Atma stones to show for it. So, don't talk to me about RNG...

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

Do you know you're actively petitioning Square to stop getting more money? It's why I'm not bothered about the outcome of this thread. It's just funny to me.

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I'm suggesting that they stand to make more by encouraging active participation in-game through active subscription (money for SE), rather than hoping people buy the stuff of Mogstation. My point is that more people in game and in event is a good thing, and event rewards are the carrot (carrots vs sticks/ positive vs negative reinforcement) that is intended to do that. Making those rewards available outside the game for $$ reduces their effectiveness as carrots.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Exclusivity is a cancer killing gaming, and anyone who supports it is what's wrong with gaming nowadays.

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This! This quote. A thousand times this. Like... I want the Zantetsuken emote from the Odin statue - but I cannot justify paying $130.00+ for just an emote and a statue I can't put up because my cats will probably try to attack it. I don't make a fuss about it because that's how S-E chooses to release it. Much like how they choose to release the exclusive event gear at their discretion. If you want it, you should of been there to get it. Missed it? Just pick it up on the MH once it becomes available.

Or not. I don't care. I don't pay for your sub.

There's so much bigger fish to fry such as the housing situation and why S-E should really be trying to mend that broken garbage heap they call housing or trying to figure out an answer or solution to other bigger topics. I see posts like this over and over and it's no small wonder why bigger topics get overshadowed.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I'm suggesting that they stand to make more by encouraging active participation in-game through active subscription (money for SE), rather than hoping people buy the stuff of Mogstation. My point is that more people in game and in event is a good thing, and event rewards are the carrot (carrots vs sticks/ positive vs negative reinforcement) that is intended to do that. Making those rewards available outside the game for $$ reduces their effectiveness as carrots.

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So for the people who decided not to subscribe during those events, those events should just go all year around or... not sure I follow your logic here. If it's advertisement outside of the game I don't argue that they (S-E) should do more to publicly broadcast it outside of their subscription base. But this almost seems like you're suggesting the events, seasonal or otherwise, should be extended to give those even a better benefit of trying to do them.

I missed the Lightning/FFXIII event and I ended up buying the gear on the Mogstation. I didn't complete the event which would of been great but I wanted the gear and the hair so I sucked it up and bought it on the Mogstation. Sure, people may of missed the event, but why deprive others who are willing to purchase them? My wallet, my choice. No one has a gun to my head. If I want it, I'll dish out the cash. Much like the Odin statue (/cry)

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Yeah, there's no inconsistency in my posts. I'm not the one complaining that gear that was designed an implemented in game should be made available via the MogStation because I missed the event for <insert reasons>. Demanding that event items be made available seems to me to be case of entitlement since you missed the event itself, so why should the gear be made available outside the game so you can obtain it for $$? Entitlement?

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And it can be said your entitlement is that you were there for it and got it, while those that weren't don't deserve it because they failed to participate.

What if someone who comes to the game late, wants the gear from that event for glamour(they have an active subscription, but started - lets say 2 weeks - after the event ended)? Do they not deserve the option of being able to buy it from Mogstation, if they desire? In the end, it is more money in SE pocket to do it this way as not everyone is around for all events.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Also, event items from the prior year should continue to be sold in-game during the following year's event, using whatever event currency/token is implemented for the event.

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That would be great, but it makes no commercial sense. The playerbase has obviously accepted that event items may be purchased from Mogstation. Removing them from there and reintroducing them to in-game vendors would be throwing away money at this point.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

Exclusive perks help drive sales during certain periods (example, pre-ordering a game). Heck, it's driven me to pre-order a few things myself. It's a valid business tactic.

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Yes. But it is completely inefficient business tactic for ongoing things. For MMO games, exclusivity is actually killing the business. There are many people that like collecting stuff, and if they know they won't have any chance of finishing their collection, they won't play the game at all.

As for the argument that the event stuff is the "carrot", I'm afraid that doesn't hold grounds either, here. Hardly any person will ever buy something from mog station if they don't play the game, and to play the game, they will have to pay the subscription. If they paid the subscription, then they can get the event or not at their leisure. If they DID pay for the subscription and DIDN'T get the item due to whatever reason, but want it, then they will buy it. That way, Square Enix earns from BOTH the subscription AND the mog station at once.
Then add to that people that weren't yet playing during the event that will want the items.

All in all, this business tactic earns them more money AND makes more players happier. Mature players don't care about others having these things either, since they are just for the looks. Unfortunately elitism, even completely pointless where the only difference is when you found the game etc., is wide-spread in western and central communities of the world.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

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Sorry, but I can't agree.

Event items like the moogle attire can only be obtained if you went to FanFest 2014, or the Luna and Tidus outfits on FanFest 2016, what of those of us that can't go to these events but want them due to lack of finance, or had a Real life event of our own that prevented us from acquiring them. At least this way we have a silver lining on the horizon where we can say:" I can still get it eventually..."

There are also the regionally exclusive gear and minions that eventually landed in the Mogstation. Considering the disaster that resulted from the Maid and Butler attires in regions outside of JP and NA, I'd expect those to pop up in time.

Basically, I don't understand OP's argument. People who got to do the event got the experience of the event itself and the items/emotes/furniture for free if they were up for grinding it. If you happened to miss it, no worries, it'll be on the Mogstation when the next event starts up.

It's good to do it both ways. Don't see a problem.

Really, I feel like people like the OP are why the new Summer Stuff is just dyable Shisui gear instead of something new and exclusive...

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Originally Posted by Avatre

And it can be said your entitlement is that you were there for it and got it, while those that weren't don't deserve it because they failed to participate.

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I don't see how you think you can extend the definition of entitlement used in the way you are using it. If a player was subscribed and participated in the event then they did in fact earn the reward. Those players qualified to obtain it. Players not subscribed at the time did not qualify. Wanting something you did not in fact qualify to receive is 'Entitlement' in the context of how you are applying the word. Players believing that they are entitled even though the to not meet the requirements to qualify are displaying an attitude 'entitlement' when they demand the reward anyway.

In any case, as I said in my original post event items from the prior year(s) should be available in game for the in-game event tokens/currency used for the event when it next runs. So Moonfire Fair 2015/2016 items would be at the event vendor during this year's events. That gives plenty of opportunity for newer players or players who missed the prior event to obtain the items they want. This allows people who participate in the current event to earn the token/currency they need to obtain those older items in game.

After that, if they must go to the Mogstation then I suppose they must, but again, like I said in the post, perhaps it should only be during the time of the event in game. So in the example above Moonfire Fair items from 2013 & 2014 could be made available on the MogStation, while the 2015/2016 were still in game.

I'm not suggesting that these things should be a single shot possibility. I think they should be available in following years events.

As for your last question, no they should wait for the event the following year and obtain the things then.

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Originally Posted by Fortune_Cookie

That would be great, but it makes no commercial sense. The playerbase has obviously accepted that event items may be purchased from Mogstation. Removing them from there and reintroducing them to in-game vendors would be throwing away money at this point.

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You are ignoring the benefit of increasing the value of the subscription to players who might otherwise unsub. Allowing players to obtain event items exclusively in-game during the event is a way to retain subscribers. That is a commercial benefit, and more subscribers translates to more players making worlds busier, and that has a positive impact as well.

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

So for the people who decided not to subscribe during those events, those events should just go all year around or... not sure I follow your logic here. If it's advertisement outside of the game I don't argue that they (S-E) should do more to publicly broadcast it outside of their subscription base. But this almost seems like you're suggesting the events, seasonal or otherwise, should be extended to give those even a better benefit of trying to do them.

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No. I am suggesting that, during this year's moonfire faire event the items from the prior 2 years should be available for purchase at the event vendor. But once the event ends, they would not be available for sale in-game. For example, at moonfire faire this year, the 2015/2016 items could be available for whatever token they are using this year during the event. So players who missed out in the previous two years would have a chance to obtain the items during the current event. Not extending the event across the year. I also suggested that items from 3 or more years ago could be put up in the Mogstation - since they are no longer in-game.

The purpose of the suggestion is to increase the value of the events in game, by retaining the items as in-game rewards only for longer than is currently the case. And then either not making them available any longer, or placing them in the Mogstation, but only once they more than 2 events old.

After the "exclusive" FanFest 2014-only Mog Attire was released on the MogStation, I realized that nothing is sacred.

I don't really love the practice of throwing things on the MogStation, but if it's going to make SE money, you can bet your bottom dollar they are going to do it.

Moreover, generally speaking, these items were "exclusive" for a while. We usually don't see them in the MogStation until about a year or so later.

It's a touchy subject, but I would be extremely surprised if SE decided to stop this practice.

...and heck, I guess it means I can get my Yuna gear in like...two years or something.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I'm suggesting that they stand to make more by encouraging active participation in-game through active subscription (money for SE), rather than hoping people buy the stuff of Mogstation. My point is that more people in game and in event is a good thing, and event rewards are the carrot (carrots vs sticks/ positive vs negative reinforcement) that is intended to do that. Making those rewards available outside the game for $$ reduces their effectiveness as carrots.

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You play or you don't play. If SE makes money either way then it benefits the company.

This is not a hybrid payment model like ESO, subscribers get the same perks whether 1 month or for the duration. Starting when SE stopped the veteran rewards build up. It's a sub game with an optional cash shop.

And I don't consider anything Entitlement unless you get something free that should cost money because one might believe they deserve special treatment.

Exclusivity is what almost killed the subscribe to play model and caused me to quit playing ESO. Sure you can play it free, but you don't get the whole package.

Well, not a really valid example since the event is not over yet...but Garo gears can be obtained outside of PvP for a hefty MGP price and cannot be dyed and has a silly prefix in front of it ("Tarnished"). Since they are placed in Gold Saucer, I imagine they won't add them on Mogstation. This I think fits your requirement. :p

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Originally Posted by missybee

After the "exclusive" FanFest 2014-only Mog Attire was released on the MogStation, I realized that nothing is sacred.

I don't really love the practice of throwing things on the MogStation, but if it's going to make SE money, you can bet your bottom dollar they are going to do it.

Moreover, generally speaking, these items were "exclusive" for a while. We usually don't see them in the MogStation until about a year or so later.

It's a touchy subject, but I would be extremely surprised if SE decided to stop this practice.

...and heck, I guess it means I can get my Yuna gear in like...two years or something.

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I understand that sentiment.

Part of the reason I created the topic was to see how people would react; because every time someone requests that something be added to the MogStation there are cries of derision, anger and agitated objections from many corners of the forum. Based on the vehemence of people's reactions to things being added to the MogStation, I thought that there might be support for extending the amount of time that in-game event items remain exclusive to in-game events.

Don't get me wrong, I really would like to see that extension myself because I do believe that the reward is for participating in the event, not reaching into your wallet. Such items should be exclusively ingame for another year - in my opinion. I think it enhances their value as rewards for taking part in the events.

However I also was interested to see whether people were truly as upset about things being added to the Mogstation as you might expect from their reactions at other times. So far, it's looking like people are far more accepting of the MogStation/Cash shop than their reactions would lead you to believe, which is interesting.

I've always said that the Cash Shop isn't a problem, a long as it's optional items that don't impact gameplay or take away from in-game events. Although I would like the in-game exclusivity of such things extended by a year, the overall idea of making them available in the cash shop isn't a problem for me.

I'm not sure what the problem is. The events never seemed like they needed more participation. Nor do they even need it. Since they seem to be solo stuff for the most part. So what's the point? It would almost seem you want the rewards to show how special you are for getting it, but you said you'd be fine with them as rewards in later years, or in the shop after 2 years (I mean, it's already one year). Making them limited to in-game only also won't increase subs, since most people don't actively follow the events once they've quit (I certainly didn't). I'm also willing to bet that they make a lot more from selling them on the Mog Station than they would from any possible subs. I mean, have you not seen all the people black ranger posing since that came out? Seems like it's making a problem where there isn't one. I've never liked one-time event rewards to begin with. I like them even less on a games with a focus on dressing up your characters.

Heck, I think one year is too long. I re-subbed like a week after the 2017 Ladies Day, and man a year is so long to wait for that cute outfit. :(

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Originally Posted by AriaFairchild

Well, not a really valid example since the event is not over yet...but Garo gears can be obtained outside of PvP for a hefty MGP price and cannot be dyed and has a silly prefix in front of it ("Tarnished"). Since they are placed in Gold Saucer, I imagine they won't add them on Mogstation. This I think fits your requirement. :p

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They aren't the same items. The PVP Garo gear is dyeable, the versions available for MGP are not dyeable.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Don't get me wrong, I really would like to see that extension myself because I do believe that the reward is for participating in the event, not reaching into your wallet. Such items should be exclusively ingame for another year - in my opinion. I think it enhances their value as rewards for taking part in the events.

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And regardless if someone gets something that was exclusive to you or other players at the time. No one can take that away, you got to experience the full experience not just the carrot. That is sacred.

What would feel more rewarding for longer?

Making a million dollars creating something you put your heart and soul in or earned.

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Buying a million dollars for 10 bucks?

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

They aren't the same items. The PVP Garo gear is dyeable, the versions available for MGP are not dyeable.

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Well yea, not only they are more expensive, but they are also crappier. This encourages players to participate in the time frame of the event, because outside of that you get an inferior version of the items. There's that exclusivity I guess.

Well actually some stuff will probably never go into the mogstation. They seem to have problem just to bring stuff like the Dragon Quest stuff hasn't gone in there even though its been years since that event. The Garo and Yokai even items are even far less likely to ever show up in the mogstation because those aren't SE's IPs.

Counterpoint:

Events aren't about rewarding you for staying subscribed, they're an extra incentive to stay subscribed. If you think the value of an event-exclusive item is justified by staying subscribed when you might otherwise not, by all means justify putting money into the game however you want. However, you can't possibly give me a reasonable explanation as to how someone else being able to spend money on the game to obtain a single item that you got effectively for free with generally little effort (that has no game play advantage) is anything other than good for the game and its continued success.

Furthermore, what would you tell any new players that would really like X event-exclusive item? Too bad?

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Originally Posted by Ariane

Well actually some stuff will probably never go into the mogstation. They seem to have problem just to bring stuff like the Dragon Quest stuff hasn't gone in there even though its been years since that event. The Garo and Yokai even items are even far less likely to ever show up in the mogstation because those aren't SE's IPs.

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That might be due to licensing restrictions.

I literally stopped bothering with holidays after year 1 because its a bunch of text wall cut-scenes of nearly identical events with no real world ambiance going on other than a few rushed looking decoration piles in starter cities. Can't we get a special holiday trial, or dungeon remap ,maybe more themed area's changes going on?