Please add some healer incentives

There are never any healers in pvp, if you go into feast it's usually all dps and tanks unless someone reluctantly changes to healer. If no one does, then the match might as well already be over because your team is going to get steamrolled, I've even been in groups where people just abandon the match because no one changed to healer. With no healers, pvp matches just aren't fun, but I can't blame people for not wanting to heal because there's no benefit to it.

It also doesn't help that healing became a lot harder since stormblood which makes people want to heal even less, I have friends who levelled all their jobs in pvp except their healers because they'd "rather level up solely from aurum vale than heal frontlines as it is right now".

Dps and tanks get incentives, they can get kills and assists for a minion in feast and things like battle high and battle fever in frontlines. (yes healers can get these too but why do it as a healer when you can get far more as a tank or dps?)

So please SE, add some healer incentives to pvp. Add achievements to feast and frontlines that give titles and minions for hp restored. Add healer high where healing a certain amount without dying makes your heals faster and stronger and healer fever where healing a certain amount without anyone in your party dying makes all your heals AoE. (Shouldn't count overhealing).

People just need something that will make them want to go healer over dps or tank, right now healing is charity work, there's no reason to do it except to help your team.

You can heal for the glory, winning a feast match as healer is a lot more satisfying than winning as tank or dps.

There's still some of us out there. In fact, I disagree with you saying that there's only charity involved. Personally, my main PvP class is a DPS (Bard, the job I use for ranked 4v4), but I'll play Frontlines as WHM and 8v8 as SCH. I'm simply a lot better as a healer than I am as my main in those modes, for some reason. Besides, as a healer I will usually snag 1-2 kills per Frontlines match, though obviously that's not as much as I would get on a DPS. Overall, I agree with the sentiment because it does seem that there aren't as many healers since 4.0 dropped, but

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Add healer high where healing a certain amount without dying makes your heals faster and stronger and healer fever where healing a certain amount without anyone in your party dying makes all your heals AoE.

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Yeah, no, please never attempt to balance this game. I don't think the problem is the incentives. It's the XP. Right now, the majority of people in Frontlines aren't usual PvPers, they're PvE players using Frontlines as a way to level DPS classes with shorter queues. Those people are also less likely to switch to a healer if the team needs it because they want XP on a specific class, rather than a better chance at winning. That's the problem behind the situation you're describing, not achievements or minions nobody cares about.

Well there's wanting to win for a start.

It's not that healers aren't queuing. It's that if people find themselves in a party in a group without a healer then often they expect somebody else to switch to a healer. Sometimes people take the initiative and switch - which is great. If they don't, though, then it just usually leads to a loss.

We don't need more incentives for healers. We need the PvP community to stop expecting everybody else to play a healer and just bite the bullet and do it themselves if one is not present. Granted some people do not have access to a healer or are stubbornly sticking with a particular job because they really want the experience at the end...

...but it's rare to find a group where absolutely nobody has access to a healer.

You know what you get for healing in PvP? Stabbed in the face.

PvP: Player vs Player.

Getting attacked happens to anyone and everyone. For that same reason, healers ARE needed.

It used to really annoy me when I would look over at other parties and see 8x SMNs with not a single one bothering to switch. I stopped caring at some point, and now so long as they have HW access everyone should have ready access to AST if they want to step up to the plate and help their team win.

Occasionally we get a good leader who politely guilts people into switching, and it helps, but I don't want to see things like healer's high or massive heal buffs for healers who heal a lot. Healers who don't want to be there or who don't understand how to heal are even worse than no healers at all. Some alternative pointless reward like the KOs titles would be nice (though I get a fair number of KOs myself nowadays).

'You can't win without a healer'

'Please add incentives to roll healer'

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C'mon man.

Hmmm... I think the lack of Feast healers is more related to how horrendously stressful it is and less due to lack of incentives.

And. How FRUSTRATING it can get.
People LoS you all the time and your heals get interrupted, you get focused on as soon as the fight starts, single DPS running into the middle of the entire opposite team for no apparent reason, and so on. The fun never ends.

And well. The guilt.
If your team loses and you're a DPS it is easy to shrug it off as your healers being lazy. When you ARE the healer, though?
Makes you feel terrible in ways few PvE instances do.

Or maybe that is just me.
... or maybe I just suck. I do seem to win more when I'm NOT going in as a healer...

I personally will be one of THOSE swapping to healer only IF everyone else absolutely refuses to do so. Ugh.

Tl;dr - healing PvP is incredibly stressful, not everyone'a cup of tea. I don't think "incentives" would help out a lot with this.

As someone who doesn't PvP often, I can say I gave up on ever Healing PvP because even if it is not your fault and someone gets ganked and dies in 2 seconds, you still get blamed for it. (I know this doesn't always happen of course, but it's happened to me more times than I care to like.) So not only is there not much incentives to Heal PvP but you get crapped on for every little thing that goes wrong. It's ALWAYS the healers fault, it seems. So I don't heal anymore. I know this is NOT the case for everyone, just my own personal experience, so please take with a grain of salt... But PvP is just a toxic ground for Healers......

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Originally Posted by Mirch

You can heal for the glory, winning a feast match as healer is a lot more satisfying than winning as tank or dps.

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Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII

Well there's wanting to win for a start.

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Originally Posted by Pence

'You can't win without a healer'

'Please add incentives to roll healer'

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C'mon man.

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Winning is not an incentive, that's like saying you don't need healer gear in pve endgame raids because you can't win without a healer so that should be incentive enough.

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

Tl;dr - healing PvP is incredibly stressful, not everyone'a cup of tea. I don't think "incentives" would help out a lot with this.

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No, incentives won't suddenly make everyone switch to healer, but it would certainly help make some people be more willing to do it than if they get nothing out of it.

I agree they really should promote healing more, it is very one sided on rewarding kills/assists and ignoring the fact that none of that would have been possible without a healer keeping them up.

I also like the idea of healer high/fever, just maybe not the OPs exact idea, I love getting battle high/fever, it's exciting and rewarding and makes you feel important and it adds a flavour to being a dps that's lacking on healers who get nothing similar.

I feel like incentives would simply invite people to heal that only want the incentive, and not actually want to heal or would be good at it.

Kinda like XP in PvP. . . Yeah, I said it.

Personally I'd prefer everyone to have access to reliable and short-cooldown self-sustains (Defensive CDs, self-heals, etc) rather than dependent on a healer to keep them afloat. The huge dependence on the healer for survival is why healing is such a huge responsibility and a source of stress. Perhaps healers should be nerfed on their healing, but get compensated for more offensive spells and/or party buffs, making them more of a supportive role rather than dedicated healing one. This adjustment would allow greater autonomy on the battlefield and encourage roaming and 1v1 (or 1vX) in frontlines.

And yes, I stole this idea from GW2.

They gutted healers too badly in PVP for me to ever want to attempt it again. Sorry for those of you on my Data Center who had come to recognize me in matches near the end of Heavensward, but an AST without Sects, card-shuffling tools or any sort of CC outside of a single heavy tied to an ability that you might want to spam for damage just isn't fun for me. No amount of incentives will drag my AST ass back in there. I actually haven't even queued since 4.0 dropped because I hate what a mongo-fest they made it, but I'm seeing a trend of a lot of DPS liking the new system and having fun so maybe I'll start using it to level my BLM.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

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I don't think I ever tried feast pre HW so can't compare, but PvPing with either blm or smn is incredibly fun imho :) *kind of off topic as this thread is meant for healers, sorry!*

I don't mind coming in as a healer in PVP if it weren't for the fact people are incredibly salty/rude if they don't get a heal even when they're out of range, decide to solo rush a crowd...etc. Even with the nerf to AOE healing in PVP it's just decision making since it's all GCD, and few instant heals. I can't heal if I'm being attacked but people expect a heal to go out anyways.

I also really hate how people complain how there's no healers in the group....then go as a healer. Don't pressure others to go as healer. Level yours to be able to play it in PVP if you think it's so bad.

If you're there to level your DPS because of horrible queue times in PVE content, don't complain that there's no healer.

Don't get mad cuz I don't switch to healer if I want to try PVP content as a different job. I don't get mad at others when there's no healers on team, I just have to be more cautious when I play.

I thought battle high/fever was incentive enough to roll healer and being able to survive. I can solo any dps class as a healer.