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Selene is in a really poor place. She has very few situations (if any) where she would be the ideal choice over Eos.

Leave your suggestions on improvements for her skillset.

Selene Moveset
Embrace - Restore target's HP. Cure Potency: 300

If Eos is supposed to be geared toward AoE healing, make Selene the better single target healer. Bump up the cure potency for her Embrace!

Silent Dusk - Silences target for 1s.

Get rid of it! Replace it with a more practical skill. I'd suggest a skill that would double the shield effect from galvanize and give it a 2 min cool down. This would give Deployment tactics more play and help raiders immensely.

Fey Caress - Removes a single detrimental effect from all nearby party members.

I'm okay with this.

Fey Wind - Increases attack speed of self and nearby party members by 3%. Duration: 30

An Astrologian's Arrow card does over 3 times this value on a single target. An expanded Arrow ((reduces the effect by half and extends effect to party)) does almost double this effect and has the same duration. Full stop. Fey wind is a slap in the face. At least extend it to a 5% buff. Minimum.

I think if they changed the silent dusk into a vulnerability up debuff of like 3% or something for 20 seconds recast of 60 seconds. would help us compete with astro for party buffs. Fey wind needs a buff to 5% as well cause 3% speed increase is not very noticeable, 5% isn't very noticeable either but its somewhat more reasonable atleast.

Don't really see any problems with Eos.


On another note, I think it would be interesting to be able to instant cast these fairies to better suite a parties needs at any given time...

That's my only input on our faeries at this time.

It seems like SCH was neglected for Stormblood. Not nearly as much TLC was given to them. This last patches buff to Scholar was definitely needed but Selene's weakness should have been caught in HS, honestly. I'm not sure how it made it this far without attention from Devs.

I feel like making Selene more Buff/Debuff oriented and Eos the Healing oriented fairy would go a way to resolving the matter. I also wouldn't mind seeing some DPS fairies added as well. Helios/Oberon!

Silent dusk into a vulnerability up for a short duration would be awesome...
Give me a fairy swap Dissipation and I am SOLD.

Fey Wind to 5% would be cool too - if Dusk was turned into a vuln up then asking for more than 5% FW would be too much imo.

Caress can stay as is, whatever. Just means one less role skill wasted on something ridiculously situational.

I agree on all counts honestly. With the transition to SB it feels as if Selene lost her identity within the meta, and while she'll always have her situational uses she honestly pales in comparison to Eos in every way shape and form. A fact which is going to become problematic as the content scales, as Eos has always been rather good at the start of expansions but outright lousy by the time the X.55 part of they cycle comes along. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that Eos is /finally/ useful again and no longer the 'dummy' pet that a secondary SCH would be forced to use whenever they happened to be paired with another already using Selene. However I want it to actually be an outright /choice/ for once. Not one being better than the other, and making Selene the buff/debuff faerie would go a long way to supporting this.

Selene's core issue is that Eos's regen and heal potency up is so OP, but I don't think giving her a debuff skill really fits the idea of Selene. Wind hitting 5% to equal AoE would be nice, or shorten it's CD so we can give it more uptime.

But I agree we need to replace Silent Dusk entirely. I like the Vul Up idea, but my suggestion would be a skill that guarantees the next Galvanizing skill crits. It would be a great counter to Eos's Whispering Dawn, and would synergize and absolve some of the issue with our sheild's being a smaller flat rate compared to AST Noct skills.

It would need a long CD (120 seconds like Dawn, maybe as high as 180 like Benediction), but it would give SCHs the same sort of choice of style AST's offer, and actually give us a reason to utilize Selene.

Want to focus more on instant casts with steady imput? Take Eos. Want to focus more on mitigation? Take Selene.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

Selene's core issue is that Eos's regen and heal potency up is so OP

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You're obviously joking. Eos heals are terrible and cannot even compete with a chocobo.

Want to make SCH better? Write a decent pet AI so people don't have to micromanage their fairy on top of 30 buttons. that would help a HUGE deal.

I think giving her an ability that can mimic another player (20 sec, 2 min cd) might help.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

You're obviously joking. Eos heals are terrible and cannot even compete with a chocobo.

Want to make SCH better? Write a decent pet AI so people don't have to micromanage their fairy on top of 30 buttons. that would help a HUGE deal.

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http://imgur.com/vhKqLv5.png
The day they fix Pet AI is the day I can finally die happily.

Wanna know a secret? I never put my damn fairy on obey becuase theres no way I'm dealing with the extra buttons on top of all the other stuff I have to manage. I dont have a gaming mouse or keyboard either theres only so many practical keybinds possible.

Until this game recieves significant and much needed ability pruning/merging, I'm not going to manually manage pets.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

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You need to play another healer, then, since letting the fairy run off AI will jank her up when you need to pop good cooldowns. I don't have issues micro-managing Eos's 3 (!) skills on top of my own while she's on obey at all once I started to actively try to (and 4.0 SCH needed the help). She Embrace's freely, I tell her when to do everything else. I'm a controller player.

It took a while to get there, but you need to actually manage her if you want to be proficient. If the pet is too cumbersome, and too many buttons is an issue, White Mage is right there.

I switched to AST and later WHM for precisely the same reasons, but leveled SCH first and foremost in Stormblood, and just rearranged my entire hotbar layout and viola, it made sense. I had room for the stuff I needed.

Whispering Dawn is MP free, 100 potency, and AoE.

I like the idea of Selenes embrace potency going up a bit, although for silent dusk i'd really just like to see a weakened version of the old Virus/Disable instead of a silence. Cant really change the CDs since both fairies share the CDs.

After seeing Alphinaud pop out that Rainbow (or was it platinum) Carbuncle during the SB MSQ and it be able to create a designated area of protection for the WoL, it'd be interesting to see Selene obtain some kind of similar AOE buff to make her competitive against Eos and also the AST cards.

To avoid it from being OP or eclipsing Sacred Soil, it could just be like a buffed Apocostasis or Palisades to multiple allies within a small area but for a short time. Alternatively perhaps a temporary HP boost, as at the moment only BRD has such a wide buff available or even a Fey Wind Upgrade.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

After seeing Alphinaud pop out that Rainbow (or was it platinum) Carbuncle during the SB MSQ and it be able to create a designated area of protection for the WoL, it'd be interesting to see Selene obtain some kind of similar AOE buff to make her competitive against Eos and also the AST cards.

To avoid it from being OP or eclipsing Sacred Soil, it could just be like a buffed Apocostasis or Palisades to multiple allies within a small area but for a short time. Alternatively perhaps a temporary HP boost, as at the moment only BRD has such a wide buff available or even a Fey Wind Upgrade.

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Sacred soil is already outclassed by almost everything in the AF toolkit so I wouldn't worry about that.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

You need to play another healer

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No. I'm not leveling another class for quite some time, I've had enough of leveling to last me a while. If I can find room on my normal keyboard to make 3 more decently usable keybinds i may consider manual pet management, but right now I'm kept quite busy managing the way too many skills I have already.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

No. I'm not leveling another class for quite some time, I've had enough of leveling to last me a while. If I can find room on my normal keyboard to make 3 more decently usable keybinds i may consider manual pet management, but right now I'm kept quite busy managing the way too many skills I have already.

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Fair enough. That's your call.

I'd recommend looking up some other player's keybind's or macros to make everything easier.

If anything, having access to those skills will give you more DPS up time and less MP strain.

- Replace Silent Dusk with Physical Defense buff, basically the counterpart of Fey Covenant.
- Buff Selene's Embrace back to 300.
- I'd like to see Fey Wind come up a bit, but I don't feel strongly about it if those other two changes were to happen.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

Wanna know a secret? I never put my damn fairy on obey becuase theres no way I'm dealing with the extra buttons on top of all the other stuff I have to manage. I dont have a gaming mouse or keyboard either theres only so many practical keybinds possible.

Until this game recieves significant and much needed ability pruning/merging, I'm not going to manually manage pets.

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So... for Stormblood, they removed/consolidated out 6 slots and only added 3 new ones. If you were waiting for the opportune moment, that was it.

Playing SCH with the Faerie on Sic is a substantial handicap. It sounds like you are playing on PC, so I may not be able to give you much in terms of recommendations (PS4 player). I'm sure there are ways to do it. As a PS4 player, I had to work very hard (especially in 3.x) to make it work. If I hadn't been able to figure that out, I probably would have probably switched to WHM. Hotbar management is so much easier for WHM.

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Originally Posted by giantslayer

So... for Stormblood, they removed/consolidated out 6 slots and only added 3 new ones. If you were waiting for the opportune moment, that was it.

Playing SCH with the Faerie on Sic is a substantial handicap. It sounds like you are playing on PC, so I may not be able to give you much in terms of recommendations (PS4 player). I'm sure there are ways to do it. As a PS4 player, I had to work very hard (especially in 3.x) to make it work. If I hadn't been able to figure that out, I probably would have probably switched to WHM. Hotbar management is so much easier for WHM.

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I'm sure if I had access to such things like a gaming mouse or keyboard I'd be able to make decent keybinds for everything but I struggle to pay bills and a sub.

I'd say it's up to the player on whether they choose to micro manage or not. Yes some players do like the extra control especially when setting up macros, but there are plenty that have no issues leaving the Fairy on Sic. I'm on PS4 with a controller and occasionally I like to control the pet, though have gotten through enough content without having to do so and not suffer any problems with MP or Aetherflow management.

I would say try to dabble more in micro-managing but if it doesn't work out that's fine, as it's not for everyone and play styles vary across the board. The only handicap is not using the SCH itself effectively rather than the pet.

I never liked selene's hair buns anyways.

I've always found Selene to be of most use when playing solo or doing content with people who are less likely to take unnecessary damage (ie people who pay attention, rather than doing other crap whilst gaming). My one gripe has always been Silent Dusk. It's great having a silence that can be cast when needed & for zero cost. However, I'd like to see it have the duration increased to 2.5s (one GCD effectively) & be able to be set to sic (like embrace) even when on Obey. SCH don't have silence from any other ability to my knowledge & it's a real boon in lots of content, especially solo.

I've made another thread about this already, but i agree. Selene is in such a poor state.

I found a couple half decent keybinds for fairy powers, so I'm practicing manual fairy management a bit, but its a shame it doesn't save Sic/Obey preferences between SCH and SMN. I always use Sic on SMN but not on SCH.

Nothing is changing but why not lol. Many of the sch buffs from 4.05 would need adjusted and I think the fairy gauge should require 20 a tick instead of 10. I like to dream:

Posted in another thread. The change to dissipaton, creating a fairy swap that interacts with fey union, which has different effects with either fairy would enhance synergy extremely. Eos stays her powerful aoe support self and selene becomes more single target. Selene would not increase damage, because if she did, DPS would expect it over the tank at all times and Eos would never be used for fey union. Shortened list to what i feel would have the most impact.

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/m...issipation.png Dissipation: Orders your pet away while granting you a full Aetherflow stack.
Also grants a buff that increases healing magic potency by 20%. Your next Summon or Summon II is instant cast. Buff ends after 30 seconds or when your next Summon or Summon II is cast. Aetherflow spent while in dissipation will fill fairy gauge at a rate of 20 instead of 10. Using aetherflow outside of a fairy summoned or dissipation will have no effect on the gauge.

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/m...-Fey_Union.png Fey Union:

When active with Eos All party members within 10 yalms receive 200 potency in healing every 3 seconds . A buff is placed on all members within range increasing spell based healing potency by 10%, which ends as fey union does. Fey union remains unaffected as an ability.

While Selene is active 350 potency every 3 seconds to a single target within 15 yalms. A buff is placed on that party member reducing damage taken by 10%.

Fairys:

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/m...0px-Summon.png Eos:
Fey illumination returned to 20%.

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/m...-Summon_II.png Selene: Fey Charm-Silent Dusk no longer applies Silence, instead it places an 8 second magic vulnerability down on a single target and is called Fey Charm. Cool down of 90 seconds.
Fey wind buffed to 5% speed increase.

Imagine having Selene out, to increase dps of the raid. Large AoE is coming. Dissipation! Burn Aetherflow. Energy Drain. Energy Drain. Adlo spread. Sacred Soil. 60 gauge filled. Instant Summon Eos. Dissipation falls off. Massive AoE about to hit. Fey union Eos to make her a pulsing 200 potency heal, while increasing the healing potency of your coheal. You used multiple cool downs together to create a powerful effect.

Does that not just scream tactician? Scholar?

Buff fey wind to 5%

Slash the recast on get caress in half.

And do something with silent dusk.

Ì'd suggested once something similar to summoners contagion. Extend/reset duration of dots or something.

Might still seem a bit weaker than eos but the lower recast on caress could free up a role skill slot for something else.

And fix dissipation. Most useless skill in a scholars toolkit. Even more useless than silent dusk.

Make it grant full aether stacks and Insta swap fairy. Get rid of the healing potency buff cos that's just lol anyway.

Or failing that at least bring the fairy back soon as the current effect wears off. Might actually make it useable.

Edit:- as for micro managing fairies. It's really not difficult. I can do it on a controller with limited buttons (all pet commands are on the expanded hotbar) should be easy on a keyboard.

Leaving them on sic though is just bad. Nothing worse than watching wow pop dawn Covent and illumination on a pull of 3 mobs..

Should also place your fairy as much as possible instead of leave her on heal. She ignores most mechanics so can keep casting embrace on the tank while your dodging that air. If she's on heal she cant cast embrace because she's following you

Bumping! this needs to be addressed

Ability: Distract

Selene become so ANNOYING that for 10 seconds the boss is forced to attack Selene and only Selene :)

"!@#%! mosquito! Go AWAY!"

Imagine what 10 seconds of relief could mean for a struggling tank :)

In PvP, similar (SWTOR has something similar) - if the Distraction target attacks anyone BUT Selene, they do only 30% normal damage, or suchlike.

Why not just make Selene into a debuff pet. What really is the point of having two fairies that both heal... with one being significantly better anyway.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

IMy one gripe has always been Silent Dusk. It's great having a silence that can be cast when needed & for zero cost. However, I'd like to see it have the duration increased to 2.5s (one GCD effectively) & be able to be set to sic (like embrace) even when on Obey. SCH don't have silence from any other ability to my knowledge & it's a real boon in lots of content, especially solo.

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Silent Dusk was definitely a boon in earlier content. I remember when people needed bards/sch to work together on one of the nodes in Coil T2. It was the one time Selene could truly shine.