Small Emergency Tactics change would make Scholar perfect

Scholar is in a much better place now than at the beginning of 4.0. yet there's still one crippling weakness that really shouldn't exist. Scholar's only healing spells go from dirt cheap (Physick) to costing an arm and a leg (Aldoquium). Especially given Largesse and Dissipation's buffs to only healing "magic" Scholar is really missing an in between spell to be able to heal with since ability heals like Lustrate and heals from the fairy aren't affected by those buffs.

I certainly don't expect any new spells to be added to Scholar before the next expansion, but I can think of one small change that wouldn't break Scholar by any means, but fix their lack of a midrange healing spell.

Emergency Tactics should also reduce the MP cost of the next Aldoquium or Succor by 25%-50%.

I understand why Aldoquium costs what it does. Deployed Critlos are still pretty amazing. Outside of that though Aldo is pretty overcosted for a 300 potency heal and shield and definitely overcosted for a 600 potency heal. Reducing the MP cost of Aldo and Succor while Emergency Tactics are up would bring those spells to more be in line with what the other two healers have as their Cure II, and would probably bump Scholar right to where it needs to be since while all 3 healers are viable Scholar is still slightly weaker than the other 2.

That's definitely a change that would help without breaking the job

I've been making this suggestion since I saw the cost increase on SCH's Adlo/Succor.
Glad someone else is in agreement about it.

I have been posting that they need to add that second effect to Physick. It is our "cure" spell and it doesn't have any extra effect like the other two healers. Something like a 15% chance next Adlo will cost no MP or half cost. (Dont' want to be too strong) The other classes have it, and I should be something simple to add to our first healing spell. I would even take the Benefic version where 15% chance the next Adlo will restore critical HP. Just something is better than nothing.

Sounds good. I think they should also up Fey Wind to 5% and SCH will be golden for the rest of Stormblood.

You're still treating SCH like a reactive healer when it's supposed to predominantly mitigate.

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Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII

You're still treating SCH like a reactive healer when it's supposed to predominantly mitigate.

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I will go back to believing that when SE makes it so AST doesn't do that better and cheaper. I don't care if it means AST gets nerfed or SCH gets buffed, but right now AST is by far the better at mitigation. SCH on the other hand has oGCD heals out the wazoo with the new Quickened Aetherflow.

SCH does still have to plan out their heals because Aetherflow is still a limited resource, but we have much more there than before.

Edit for math: The main argument for SCH's place as the mitigation healer seems to be Deployment Tactics. Without a Critlo, Deployment Tactics puts a 300p shield on everyone effected, on a 90sec recast. Compare to NocAST's Acpected Helios. Aspected Helios has a cure potency of 200p, plus the 15% boost from Noct and it comes out to 230p. The Noct shield is 150%, which brings the shield potency up to 345p, and this is on the GCD.

Now it's true that a Critlo Deploy is an 840p shield on everyone, but that's then relying on random crits, which we have no way to guarantee and are far too expensive to fish for now.

Aspected Benefic vs Adlo is even worse, at 575p vs 300p. Even with crits Adlo barely comes out ahead at 805p vs 840p.

(Numbers are assuming a crit multiplier of +40%, which is the most common number I see floated around.)

I thought the exact same thing when they upped Adlo's cost.

100% support.

Alternatively:

1. Reduce Adloquiem's and Succor's costs or buff their potency to roughly Astrologian levels.
2. Make Emergency Tactics quadruple the mana cost of the next Adloquiem but make it auto-crit and halve its cast time.

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Originally Posted by Supersun

Emergency Tactics should also reduce the MP cost of the next Aldoquium or Succor by 25%-50%.

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I had the exact same idea as you, letting Emergency Tactics halve the MP cost.

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Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII

You're still treating SCH like a reactive healer when it's supposed to predominantly mitigate.

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Unfortunately the mitigation tools are too expensive now to really use that often, pushing us into support healer. V1S, I only Adlo the off tank when the tank buster is coming and Excog the main tank. Outside of that Adlo, I maybe cast normal Succor 5 times during the battle. ET Succor and Indom are being used far more, and that's big healing, not mitigation.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Alternatively:

1. Reduce Adloquiem's and Succor's costs or buff their potency to roughly Astrologian levels.
2. Make Emergency Tactics quadruple the mana cost of the next Adloquiem but make it auto-crit and halve its cast time.

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I doubt you want to be buffed to AST OP levels. Next expansion the developers are going to troll them with a level 80 spell called LOLissipation which takes away their cards for 1 minute in exchange for a 20% increase to healing.

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Originally Posted by Asuras

I doubt you want to be buffed to AST OP levels. Next expansion the developers are going to troll them with a level 80 spell called LOLissipation which takes away their cards for 1 minute in exchange for a 20% increase to healing.

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Still a better skill than dissipation. Dissipation removes healing utility to give you healing utility, focusing on just the heal bonus. LOLissipation gives you healing utility in exchange for resource/dps utility.

Having largesse effect pets, like food/pots would be equally fine, but all you or I would be doing is trying to undermine a nerf. Increased mp cost on adlo. Decreased healing potency on fairy.

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Originally Posted by Asuras

I doubt you want to be buffed to AST OP levels. Next expansion the developers are going to troll them with a level 80 spell called LOLissipation which takes away their cards for 1 minute in exchange for a 20% increase to healing.

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Nahh, that's not punishing enough. Their sects will be given a large MP cost and the skill will take them out of them and prevents them from using their Aspected abilities until it's done with, at which point they have to turn it back on.

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Originally Posted by Riyshn

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Then you should really be advocating for better mitigation. This is why changes to SCH are often slow or watered down version of what you actually ask for, because you're asking for things not part of the majority of the actual class design. I'm an AST, and whilst having noct stance is great for playing with WHM, I don't feel we should have better mitigation than you do (and more accessible at that; the cd on deployment tactics coupled with succor's cost and being extremely weak on anyone it doesn't crit on is a joke)

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Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII

Then you should really be advocating for better mitigation. This is why changes to SCH are often slow or watered down version of what you actually ask for, because you're asking for things not part of the majority of the actual class design. I'm an AST, and whilst having noct stance is great for playing with WHM, I don't feel we should have better mitigation than you do (and more accessible at that; the cd on deployment tactics coupled with succor's cost and being extremely weak on anyone it doesn't crit on is a joke)

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I have been, actually. Of the recent buffs, only Miasma II, [something for Fey Union], and [something for Quickened Aetherflow] really made sense as far as fixing problems that job currently has. Emergency Tactics and Indom really didn't need the buffs they got, and while the Excog buff is nice, it doesn't fix the core problem with the skill - it's still a potential wasted stack (For the record, I've been advocating returning it to it's original numbers, but letting it pop as a shield if it times out, so it becomes "tank buster safety net" or "large shield for Deploy that requires 30+ seconds of preplanning and upkeep.")

And honestly I'm fine if the balance team if moving AST to be the mitigation healer. If that's their vision of the healer role distribution, fine. But I really would like to know what their vision for SCH is, because at the moment we're so all over the place that I honestly can't figure it out.

Selene is still mostly useless outside of fairy-swap openers. Dissipation is better now than it was with an indirect buff from Quickened Aetherflow (With the cooldown reductions on use, Dissipation actually gives you enough stacks that it's hard to use them all in the 30sec that they reduce Aetherflow's CD to), but it's still an ability that is actually actively harmful to use in a lot of situations. Bane's ridiculous falloff (17p per tick on later targets, really?).

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Still a better skill than dissipation.

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Stop.

Just stop.

The cards are worth more 20% increase to healing. After using Eos CDs/rouse the fairy is not. Having to resummon her is bad, but you aren't talking about that you are only focusing on the heal increase.