The Armoire Needs An Update

Specifically, the head slot. I currently have 13 level one, unique/untradeable hats in my armory chest.

We should be able to put all of these in our armoire. Same with the RDM/SAM starting gear that doesn't seem to be re-obtainable.

While I'm at it, all the i290 gear we get from the level 70 job quest should go in there, too.

Honestly, every single piece of level one unique/untradeable gear should be able to go in the armoire the day we get them.

As I'm currently not online, I cannot confirm this myself, but aren't the i290 job quest gears re-obtainable from the Calamity Salvager?

...Or scrap the Armoire entirely and give us a "Glamour Log" similar to WoW's transmog system, allowing us to collect the appearance of any item that has been bound to us without needing to keep the item in storage after that.

From the looks of things, none of the boxed job gear can be restored from anywhere, though I can't remember if I checked the antiquated gear sets. I went to the calamity salvager, Googled if any npcs resold it, RDM and SAM gear from the quests looks like it's gone forever if dropped

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

...Or scrap the Armoire entirely and give us a "Glamour Log" similar to WoW's transmog system, allowing us to collect the appearance of any item that has been bound to us without needing to keep the item in storage after that.

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that would prob kill the server....as all players will have ever expending logs rather than logs that's limited to the max inventory spaces.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

...Or scrap the Armoire entirely and give us a "Glamour Log" similar to WoW's transmog system, allowing us to collect the appearance of any item that has been bound to us without needing to keep the item in storage after that.

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Originally Posted by Furiea

that would prob kill the server....as all players will have ever expending logs rather than logs that's limited to the max inventory spaces.

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Compromise: When right clicking/hitting square to move an item to inventory/desynth/convert, have another option: Add to Glamour Log

Then you can put only items you want in there, and be able to remove items in the same way.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

As I'm currently not online, I cannot confirm this myself, but aren't the i290 job quest gears re-obtainable from the Calamity Salvager?

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They are, under job-specific/Level 70 including weapons. 1k each.

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Originally Posted by Furiea

that would prob kill the server....as all players will have ever expending logs rather than logs that's limited to the max inventory spaces.

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It's not an inventory but a checklist, though.

The game is no longer tracking these items as what dye color they are or what their spirit bond and repair %s may be. It only needs to ask "Does the player have this item unlocked for glamouring onto another item? Yes/No".

It's actually a far more eloquent solution because it not only allows players to "collect" glamour to fill out their logs but it also frees up a lot of inventory space and eases database load as players vendor the piles of things that have been molding in their Armoires anyway.

In fact, with a glamour log, they could delete Armoires entirely, which is what WoW did with "void storage" when they added the transmog log (and the Armoire is basically XIV's version of "void storage").

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Originally Posted by Avatre

As I'm currently not online, I cannot confirm this myself, but aren't the i290 job quest gears re-obtainable from the Calamity Salvager?

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YES, you are correct.

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Originally Posted by Sekkei

From the looks of things, none of the boxed job gear can be restored from anywhere, though I can't remember if I checked the antiquated gear sets. I went to the calamity salvager, Googled if any npcs resold it, RDM and SAM gear from the quests looks like it's gone forever if dropped

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the Lv50 gears when you first accepted the job... nope... can't find them anywhere..

the Lv70 job Quest gears... Calamity Salvager > Purchase Job-specific Gear < Purchase Lv. 70 Arms / Purchase Lv. 70 Gear
they are all there... 1000 gil each pieces.

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Originally Posted by Furiea

that would prob kill the server....as all players will have ever expending logs rather than logs that's limited to the max inventory spaces.

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A glamour log would use less than 1% of the space required per item compared to one inventory slot. And even then you can tie more than one item to that 1 bit needed.

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Originally Posted by Furiea

that would prob kill the server....as all players will have ever expending logs rather than logs that's limited to the max inventory spaces.

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Guild Wars 2, Wildstar, World of Warcraft and probably many more all employ a glamour log system without any problems. Not to mention FF14 has a log system for cataloging everything from fish to rocks per-player without breaking a sweat, so a system exists to piggy-back off.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

A glamour log would use less than 1% of the space required per item compared to one inventory slot. And even then you can tie more than one item to that 1 bit needed.

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how do you know it uses less than 1% of the space required per item compared to one inventory slot?

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Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO

Guild Wars 2, Wildstar, World of Warcraft and probably many more all employ a glamour log system without any problems. Not to mention FF14 has a log system for cataloging everything from fish to rocks per-player without breaking a sweat, so a system exists to piggy-back off.

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it really depends on how the backbone data are structured and linked... if you worked with ERP or SQL or CR before.. you know it can be tricky sometimes... but I think the problem is what SE wants to accomplish and everything are tied to the follwing 3 principles....

• spend time farming RNG (sub time = $$$)
• spend gil re-buying (earning gil = sub time = $$$)
• spend real money for extra retainers ($$$)

Here's the location of gears from old/past/completed content I can think off and, imo, how easy/difficult to get.
#Easily Re-aquired
Calamity Salvager

• Lv50 relic weapon
• Lv50 AF gears (iLv50)
• Lv70 Quest chest weapon
• Lv70 Quest chest gear
• Quest Reward items like Fortemps shield, Scion Adventurer's monocle, Kabuto #55
• Achievement rewards

Recompense Officer

• All Seasonal/Special Event Gears. (i think some are missing...)

Restoration Node

• every stage of the relic you have acquired in the past.

#Not hard to get/re-acquire
Auriana Allagan Tomestone of Poetics

• iLv 120 Ironworks equipment

Hismena Allagan Tomestone of Poetics

• iLv 230 Eikonic Gear
• iLv 260 Shire Gear

#acquired with Gil...
Market Board Gil

• Replica Coil gears
• Replica Alexander gears ??? soon i hope...
• EX trial weapons up to Thordan EX (except Shiva EX and Levi EX)

#Not Ideal but still allows players certain freedom and convenience to acquires them
Hunt Billmaster Allied Seal from Hunt

• iLv 100 weathered Noct / Daystar / Evenstar gears

i don't understand why they moved these gears to Billmaster

Yolaine -- Centurio Seal from Hunt

• iLv 170 Doman Gear
• iLv 200 Artifact Gear

again.. don't understand why they moved these gears to a hunt seal exchange vendor.

#RNG involved... this is where things become annoying..
this is what I don't like.
Kaklan Antique Gears drops from dungeons

• iLv 90 Vintage Equipment (AF2)

Bertana -- Trial drops (I assume these will soon be on the Market board as crafted.)

• Sephirot EX
• Nidd EX
• Sophic EX
• Zurvanite EX

#Not included anywhere with HEAVY RNG and pain in the butt to do are...

1. 24-man Raid Gears- world of darkness, syrcus tower, void ark, weeping city, dun scaith etc
2. 4-man Dungeon exclusive green gears... (while SOME equivalent shows up on market board later)
3. Mog station purchases.
4. Amazon purchase reward
5. Fate drops

solution besides glamour log that i would like to see.
#Expend Armoire - what OP mentioned.

• I think they should at least expand Armoire to be able to store all items that you can repurchase from:
  • Calamity Salvager
  • Recompense Officer
  • Restoration Node
  • Amazon purchase reward
  • Mog station

#Tomestones or Market Board... No RNG for old content.

1. old 4-man / 24-man dungeon gears should be all added to crafting receipts like coil gears.
2. Put AF2 and other tomestone gears back on Poetic tomestone for exchange. (Oh wow... "Dark light" suddenly popped into my mind... too bad these gears are buried in dungeon... they should move it to poetic or put them on crafting receipt so people actually get to use them for glamour.)

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Originally Posted by Furiea

how do you know it uses less than 1% of the space required per item compared to one inventory slot?

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For one inventory slot you need to store multiple integers for item id, tmog id, durability, materia, dye, quanity. Some of this might use short when on an item like materia and byte for dye you would still stand with 32+32+16*5+8+8 bits so 160 bits is needed for one inventory slot to hold a piece of equipement. While with a glamour log that same piece of equipment only need 1 bit to know that you have it. And even then you could tie an entire armor set if not an entire equipment tier to that one bit.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

For one inventory slot you need to store multiple integers for item id, tmog id, durability, materia, dye, quanity. Some of this might use short when on an item like materia and byte for dye you would still stand with 32+32+16*5+8+8 bits so 160 bits is needed for one inventory slot to hold a piece of equipement. While with a glamour log that same piece of equipment only need 1 bit to know that you have it. And even then you could tie an entire armor set if not an entire equipment tier to that one bit.

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This is not really comparable. On the one hand you store the item id and on the other hand you only store one bit if the item has been had. In the latter case, how do you know which bit refer to what? You do not unless you store 1 bit by item. According to the database, there are 2468 weapons + 575 tools + 6671 armors + 2224 accessories (non counting HQ versions). That is a lot of bits to store!

Glamour log is 100% not a server issue. It is 100% they want people to keep paying for extra retainers issue.

It's very easy, as people have mentioned, for this game to implement lots of systems that are like checking a box of 'have, don't have.' Minions, fish, hunting logs, sightseeing logs, mounts, CRAFTING COMPLETION LOGS (hundreds and hundreds of recipes per class).

They don't do a glamour log because they actually don't want to do a glamour log. That's the only reason.

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Originally Posted by Yasminou

This is not really comparable. On the one hand you store the item id and on the other hand you only store one bit if the item has been had. In the latter case, how do you know which bit refer to what? You do not unless you store 1 bit by item. According to the database, there are 2468 weapons + 575 tools + 6671 armors + 2224 accessories (non counting HQ versions). That is a lot of bits to store!

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As mentioned most of those items are tied to spesific sets so they could set a requirement to unlock a set by having you get all items related to say tanking in that tier so now you reduce 13 bits down to 1. Also a lot of accessories shares it's look, so you can push the 11938 items down to something closer to 2000 which is way less than the storage required for our expanded inventory.

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Originally Posted by Belisaire

Glamour log is 100% not a server issue. It is 100% they want people to keep paying for extra retainers issue.

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Originally Posted by Belisaire

Glamour log is 100% not a server issue. It is 100% they want people to keep paying for extra retainers issue.

It's very easy, as people have mentioned, for this game to implement lots of systems that are like checking a box of 'have, don't have.' Minions, fish, hunting logs, sightseeing logs, mounts, CRAFTING COMPLETION LOGS (hundreds and hundreds of recipes per class).

They don't do a glamour log because they actually don't want to do a glamour log. That's the only reason.

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And that's the reason why I suspect that if they ever give in and implement a glamour log, it will be half-assed or greatly incoveniencing/hard to use so that people keep using retainers.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

For one inventory slot you need to store multiple integers for item id, tmog id, durability, materia, dye, quanity. Some of this might use short when on an item like materia and byte for dye you would still stand with 32+32+16*5+8+8 bits so 160 bits is needed for one inventory slot to hold a piece of equipement. While with a glamour log that same piece of equipment only need 1 bit to know that you have it. And even then you could tie an entire armor set if not an entire equipment tier to that one bit.

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FFXI has a storage system that actually just uses that item data. You get a 'storage slip' item and trade it along with gear, and it takes the gear and the data is written to the slip itself (so if you drop it you lose everything).

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

And that's the reason why I suspect that if they ever give in and implement a glamour log, it will be half-assed or greatly incoveniencing/hard to use so that people keep using retainers.

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Either that or an additional recurring fee just like the retainer(s). They basically sell additional armoury chest space in FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

Either that or an additional recurring fee just like the retainer(s). They basically sell additional armoury chest space in FFXI.

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Ugh! God, don't give them ideas! Hahaha.

I'm not talking about the level 70 gear though. I'm talking about the initial level 50 gear that you get from the first quest that gives the nameless set for samurai or the red mage set

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Originally Posted by Belisaire

Glamour log is 100% not a server issue. It is 100% they want people to keep paying for extra retainers issue.

It's very easy, as people have mentioned, for this game to implement lots of systems that are like checking a box of 'have, don't have.' Minions, fish, hunting logs, sightseeing logs, mounts, CRAFTING COMPLETION LOGS (hundreds and hundreds of recipes per class).

They don't do a glamour log because they actually don't want to do a glamour log. That's the only reason.

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I lean toward agreeing with this (as much as I'd like NOT to).

We have crafting logs that track which items you have and haven't made, fishing logs that not only track whether you've caught a certain fish but the record for the biggest fish you've caught, and the Armoire which is essentially storing a list of items you have anyway.

There are a lot of different gear appearances in this game, true, but every gear appearance is literally a binary "on/off" in a glamour log, as it doesn't need to track item ID, repair state, dye state, etc. It's just "Does the player have this appearance unlocked? Yes/No", nothing else.

And if that's too much data to be sending on a regular basis, only access it when we access it, like the Armoire supposedly does.

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Originally Posted by Furiea

that would prob kill the server....as all players will have ever expending logs rather than logs that's limited to the max inventory spaces.

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I think we can expect out of SE at least what a 13 year old MMO can do.

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Originally Posted by Belisaire

Glamour log is 100% not a server issue. It is 100% they want people to keep paying for extra retainers issue.

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It's depressing and pathetic but likely true.

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Originally Posted by Sekkei

I'm not talking about the level 70 gear though. I'm talking about the initial level 50 gear that you get from the first quest that gives the nameless set for samurai or the red mage set

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oh these... nope.. I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by Sekkei

I'm not talking about the level 70 gear though. I'm talking about the initial level 50 gear that you get from the first quest that gives the nameless set for samurai or the red mage set

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Yeah...for those(and because of the vast amount of other gears that are a pain to get sometimes, especially the dungeon ones if your RNG sucks like mine) and other items, the armoire should accept all equipment.