[dev1081]Achievements already earned

Looking at the crafting and gathering achievements now and just getting frustrated. First they are pretty insane but that doesn't really bother me. Whats bothering me is i already did these, well the crafting ones anyway and some of the gathering ones. I understand SE might not of had a counter running for these achievements before but if someone has all of this these classes to 50 or even some they should of credited them something even if it was half completion. Example would be 41-50 carpenter achievement requires 3000 synths. They should least give someone who had the craft to 50 at least 1500 of that 3000 to start out with. Bottom line it takes x amount of synths to get 50. The crafting achievements are basically set up in line with someone going from zero to fifty. Already did this once, I shouldn't have to do it again.

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Excessive achievements that some people basically already did
SE should of done something instead of just taking the lazy way out

On these forums generally when SE does something they get up in arms and yell till SE changes it. With something like this i doubt most people care cause they have yet to level their crafting/gathering classes. I'd figure I would least try to make a thread about it and see if anyone cares enough to speak up about it.

I agree about the crafting achievements being out of whack with reality. It seems that the number of synths required is very high. A fighting class can go out and smack tons of mobs in an AoE move, and the higher level they are, the faster it is to kill mobs. With crafting, it takes almost as long for every synth, regardless of your level, even if doing a low level synth. I don't want to spend months repeating all of those synths for an achievement. I do think we should have been given some credit for past synths based on level, even if they didn't keep a record of our exact number of synths.

The tools are cool, but it's not something that is so gamebreaking. I'm not going to whines or gets frustated over it.

well when they add 51-60 needing 5k synths then we could complain more. isn't slugging through to 50 a synth more then enough?

your going to synth again on that class. The lower ones are a grind, but what in an MMO isn't a grind?

I think I've seen a thread like this already....

I agree. It seems sort of redundant to force a Level 50 Miner to go BACK and mine all those nodes again simply because the Achievement came out AFTER they did all the work to get to level 50. It's safe to say if we made it to level 50 in any gathering class we MINED more than the said number of nodes at each location.

This is very bad act from SE to people who already 50s on gathering and crafting.

They basically telling them RE-DO it again while you giving us monthly-fee so you'll be busy till 2.0 is ready

Dear SE, do you know that I need to do :

20
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1000
2000
4000

20
300
1000
2000
4000

20
300
1000
2000
4000

yes, 3 times just to finish 1 gathering job

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

your going to synth again on that class. The lower ones are a grind, but what in an MMO isn't a grind?

I think I've seen a thread like this already....

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Yes, I will synth again, but I would never synth another huge batch of items again the way I normally would while skilling up. We have to redo all of those lower levels just to get our achievements, whereas the fighting classes are not required to go out to kill masses of lower level mobs that give no experience.

Anyone who has leveled a craft has already spent hours on end wasting time to gain levels by grinding on mats that ended up getting vendored - and now we have to waste all of that time and all of those materials again.

It is one thing to say that a r50 class would have fulfilled all the requirements, but what about a r32 class or a r43 class? How would you calculate synths per level? How would you pro-rata the percent of achevement earned? And if you used leves mostly to grind you would have done less synths than if you manually grinded every single level.

Yes it sucks that we have to re do each craft level. And it will take time. If you are dedicated and you really want the acievement and the item then you will do it. If you can't be bothered to put the effort in, then you won't get it. Simple as that.

And who said that you have to have everything NOW (am reminded of Charlie's Chocolate Factory). These accomplishments weren't made to be attained all in one week or a month. Some of them are Long term, designed to give you a goal to spend the next few months on. Otherwise you'd have all the accomplishments done and nothing left to do, get bored and leave, which isn't what SE wants.

I agree with this, sad thing is the gathering achivements require 3 times as much work as you have to do it 3 times per region.

Ridiculous.

I bet the use of bots in this game has seen a massive increase, congrats SE.

instead of saying syn 20, 300 1000 2000, they should have done it "Get lv-10, Get Lv20 .. etc" it is easy to find better ways to do it than just forcing people to re-do everything on gathering and crafting

Simply, it is not a nice way to reward people for doing things in-game. not at all

I lost my faith on SE. It looks like 'data wipe' for me. if they doing it now, what prevent them to do it again later when PS2 release / 2.0 release !! what prevent them from saying to raise your cap you need to get X achievement !!

I do not trust SE anymore

sorry, but this is my opinion.

How come many other achievements have been automatically awarded when unlocked (think # of mobs killed)?

Are you sure it's not because you leveled your crafting classes mostly through leves (especially levels 0-20) and that you did not actually perform the required amount of "true" (assuming that leve synth don't count as an achivement) synths?

No, you all have to do it again.

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Originally Posted by Giant

instead of saying syn 20, 300 1000 2000, they should have done it "Get lv-10, Get Lv20 .. etc" it is easy to find better ways to do it than just forcing people to re-do everything on gathering and crafting

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Um, these accomplishments already exist. The crafting and gathering ones are extras. And they aren't forcing you. Why does no one get this? It is optional. If you are a true avid accomplishment hunter you will go back and re-do all the work because you really want it. If you can't be bothered, then why complain?

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Originally Posted by northernsky

How come many other achievements have been automatically awarded when unlocked (think # of mobs killed)?

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Because all the other accomplishments were things that were already being calculated and recorded on your lodestone history page. Things like materia conversions/melds was also stored as when they were introduced, there were already plans for the new achievement system. It is just synthesis and gathering that there was no data for, and therefore nothing to base pre-filled accomplishments for

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

your going to synth again on that class. The lower ones are a grind, but what in an MMO isn't a grind?

I think I've seen a thread like this already....

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You have someone already was complaining about this very thing when it went live. I just started doing it and got the first ones very fast; working on the 2nd one now. There is no use in complaining they didn't count before so if you want to do it do it if you don't don't.

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Originally Posted by Giant

instead of saying syn 20, 300 1000 2000, they should have done it "Get lv-10, Get Lv20 .. etc" it is easy to find better ways to do it than just forcing people to re-do everything on gathering and crafting

Simply, it is not a nice way to reward people for doing things in-game. not at all

I lost my faith on SE. It looks like 'data wipe' for me. if they doing it now, what prevent them to do it again later when PS2 release / 2.0 release !! what prevent them from saying to raise your cap you need to get X achievement !!

I do not trust SE anymore

sorry, but this is my opinion.

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If I'm not mistaken, there is an achievement for getting a gathering class to level 10, 20, etc. There's also an achievement for gathering a certain number of times in a particular region. You got level 50 in one or more (all) gathering classes. Great. But you want all the regional gathering achievements given to you? When you might not have gathered the required number of times in every region?

Let's muddy the waters even farther with gathering leves that give bonus exp in terms of a leve completion bonus and when using guardian's favor, quest/mission rewards excepted with your gathering job, or just bonus exp gained from reading one of those GC manuals.

However, for every 10 levels you earned in a gathering class, you most likely made the number of gatherings they're asking for that grade (20, 300, 1000, 2000 and 4000) and I think you could make a strong case that, by default, you should have had the gathering achievements unlocked based on your level for the region associated with your starting city. (For example: if I'm a level 20 botanist from Gridania, I get the grade I and grade II achievements unlocked for the Black Shroud region.) But nothing more. The rest are on you to do.

Achievements are meant to be busy work. So let's get busy.

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Originally Posted by normalforce

If I'm not mistaken, there is an achievement for getting a gathering class to level 10, 20, etc. There's also an achievement for gathering a certain number of times in a particular region. You got level 50 in one or more (all) gathering classes. Great. But you want all the regional gathering achievements given to you? When you might not have gathered the required number of times in every region?

Let's muddy the waters even farther with gathering leves that give bonus exp in terms of a leve completion bonus and when using guardian's favor, quest/mission rewards excepted with your gathering job, or just bonus exp gained from reading one of those GC manuals.

However, for every 10 levels you earned in a gathering class, you most likely made the number of gatherings they're asking for that grade (20, 300, 1000, 2000 and 4000) and I think you could make a strong case that, by default, you should have had the gathering achievements unlocked based on your level for the region associated with your starting city. (For example: if I'm a level 20 botanist from Gridania, I get the grade I and grade II achievements unlocked for the Black Shroud region.) But nothing more. The rest are on you to do.

Achievements are meant to be busy work. So let's get busy.

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Hi normalforce :)

I been forced to do fishing @ LL to get guil-mark, Miner @ Ul'dah to get guild-mark & Botany @ Grid to get Guil-Mark ;p

I did it the way SE asked me to do it :)

Now they change their mind

no guild-mark
you need to do all region gathering

I hope this thread stays active enough to warrant Dev attention. Please forum Mod's notice this thread! This is something that a majority of the high level Gathering and Crafting classes are VERY displeased with.

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Originally Posted by Giant

Hi normalforce :)

I been forced to do fishing @ LL to get guil-mark, Miner @ Ul'dah to get guild-mark & Botany @ Grid to get Guil-Mark ;p

I did it the way SE asked me to do it :)

Now they change their mind

no guild-mark
you need to do all region gathering

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Yes, but you still didn't do your Fishing in Gridania or Ul'dah, your Botany in Limsa or Ul'dah or your Mining in Limsa or Gridania. You, just like me, followed SE's plan for where we should gather.

But, perhaps they'll let us use our old guild mark points to "buy" achievements? For gathering grades I thru V (which amounts to 20, 300, 1000, 2000 and 4000 gathers) it would cost 200, 3000, 10000, 20000 and 40000 for each grade per region. Or 73200 per region.

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Originally Posted by normalforce

Yes, but you still didn't do your Fishing in Gridania or Ul'dah, your Botany in Limsa or Ul'dah or your Mining in Limsa or Gridania. You, just like me, followed SE's plan for where we should gather.

But, perhaps they'll let us use our old guild mark points to "buy" achievements? For gathering grades I thru V (which amounts to 20, 300, 1000, 2000 and 4000 gathers) it would cost 200, 3000, 10000, 20000 and 40000 for each grade per region. Or 73200 per region.

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You are right normalforce, but level-1 Miner/Botany/Fisher will go level up on all this area instead of sticking to one and he'll get achievement "while leveling" the 50s ppl still have to re-do it again in all this 3 area too (>.<)

damn you SE, at least give me full achievement for LL *lol*

anyway, I'm sending daily feedback to SE, hope they listen.

Link to Feedback :
https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...a=1&p=0&fo=288


* Edit :
forgot to mention : I have to do all crafting too m(_._)m

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Originally Posted by Deminia

Yes, I will synth again, but I would never synth another huge batch of items again the way I normally would while skilling up. We have to redo all of those lower levels just to get our achievements, whereas the fighting classes are not required to go out to kill masses of lower level mobs that give no experience.

Anyone who has leveled a craft has already spent hours on end wasting time to gain levels by grinding on mats that ended up getting vendored - and now we have to waste all of that time and all of those materials again.

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Your not wasting your time. You don't have to do them, no one is making you do these achievements. And don't you expect to play this game for a long time? A friend on our very own server just got his golden alembic yesterday. He said it only took him a couple days. BAM

It's doable. You just have to apply yourself. And about the battle classes getting and, it's because the achievement system on the lodestone allowed for that because it was already being counted where as your crafts weren't.

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Originally Posted by SnickleWhiskers

well when they add 51-60 needing 5k synths then we could complain more. isn't slugging through to 50 a synth more then enough?

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when that happens we will have had a cap raise so it wont be repeating anything as much


as far as the overall thread

we have been through this before, and it comes down to 1 pure fact


people who like to craftr and gather, didnt stop when they hit 50
they are still doing it, so doing all these again is a continuation of what they are doing
yes they coulda figured something out to go retroactive with all this, but notice how NOTHING but these new non retro achievemnts got golden items for them? thats our reward for redoing it

also take note, someone going to 50 fresh WILL NOT earn these on the way, they will have to backtrack a little too cuz it requires more then you will actualy be doing(this goes double for gathering)

and no one has any advantage over anyone else, we are all on equal footing here, so its a fair shot at getting them all quite easily.


i for one am already well into working on all of them again, itl take a few months to get them all, but thats part of the fun of it for me. the challenge of keeping my sanity lol

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Originally Posted by Giant

instead of saying syn 20, 300 1000 2000, they should have done it "Get lv-10, Get Lv20 .. etc" it is easy to find better ways to do it than just forcing people to re-do everything on gathering and crafting

Simply, it is not a nice way to reward people for doing things in-game. not at all

I lost my faith on SE. It looks like 'data wipe' for me. if they doing it now, what prevent them to do it again later when PS2 release / 2.0 release !! what prevent them from saying to raise your cap you need to get X achievement !!

I do not trust SE anymore

sorry, but this is my opinion.

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um....

there are achievments for gaining levels already, these are extras on top of that

I've seen a lot of feedback concerning how gatherers and crafters kinda got the short end of the stick on the achievements. While I do agree that it's excessive what they have to do to get their achievements, it's understandable that SE decided to track some stats and not others.

Based on how much discussion this is getting, I wouldn't be surprised that they may come up with a formula based on class level to determine an average amount of gathers/crafts you've done by the time the achievement tracking count comes into play. (1.20b I believe?)

no offense guys, I'm just chilling :--)


/angrymode ON

[IF] SE changed it and made it Auto-Get if you already Lv50, does that bother players who are not 50 yet?

Answer options:

a) Yes, they will hate us more ( which is bad habit )

b) No, they don't care ( then be nice to us please and let us get it )

/angrymode OFF


Dear SE
Dear Yoshi-P
Dear Moderators

Please hear my poor lalafell voice \^-^/

Thank you

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Originally Posted by Orophin

I've seen a lot of feedback concerning how gatherers and crafters kinda got the short end of the stick on the achievements. While I do agree that it's excessive what they have to do to get their achievements, it's understandable that SE decided to track some stats and not others.

Based on how much discussion this is getting, I wouldn't be surprised that they may come up with a formula based on class level to determine an average amount of gathers/crafts you've done by the time the achievement tracking count comes into play. (1.20b I believe?)

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Like I said, the absolute most they'd probably do is grant you the achievements for one region only, leaving you two other regions to complete. I think it would be more fair to dole it out based on guild mark points personally. That said, I have absolutely no issue with going back through grade I through IV nodes.

Just for my sanity, I'm not going to do it all at once. A little here, a little there. I except to have them done by 1.21.



TheVedis said it best, so I'll just repost it here:

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

people who like to craftr and gather, didnt stop when they hit 50
they are still doing it, so doing all these again is a continuation of what they are doing
yes they coulda figured something out to go retroactive with all this, but notice how NOTHING but these new non retro achievemnts got golden items for them? thats our reward for redoing it

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Originally Posted by Giant

no offense guys, I'm just chilling :--)


/angrymode ON

[IF] SE changed it and made it Auto-Get if you already Lv50, does that bother players who are not 50 yet?

Answer options:

a) Yes, they will hate us more ( which is bad habit )

b) No, they don't care ( then be nice to us please and let us get it )

/angrymode OFF


Dear SE
Dear Yoshi-P
Dear Moderators

Please hear my poor lalafell voice \^-^/

Thank you

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why would they auto give us it when earning level 50 and earning x crafts/gathers are different achievment


also add in how many people used tons of leves to go up in ranks(which elimates TONS of gathers and synths required at ranges)

no one except those who were actively overdoing everything all this time even after 50 may have even been close to earning it
and somehow i bet they dont care cuz they are redoing it

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Originally Posted by morpheus

Looking at the crafting and gathering achievements now and just getting frustrated. First they are pretty insane but that doesn't really bother me. Whats bothering me is i already did these, well the crafting ones anyway and some of the gathering ones. I understand SE might not of had a counter running for these achievements before but if someone has all of this these classes to 50 or even some they should of credited them something even if it was half completion. Example would be 41-50 carpenter achievement requires 3000 synths. They should least give someone who had the craft to 50 at least 1500 of that 3000 to start out with. Bottom line it takes x amount of synths to get 50. The crafting achievements are basically set up in line with someone going from zero to fifty. Already did this once, I shouldn't have to do it again.

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Excessive achievements that some people basically already did
SE should of done something instead of just taking the lazy way out

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Hi morpheus,

I totally agree.

Even if Square didn't have a way to track Crafting synths (unlike Battle / Combat Kills) before this patch, since they *are* crediting all Disciples of War & Magic with their Combat Achievements garnered from Day 1 until now, on principle, they should to the same for Disciples of the Hand and Land.

A simple solution someone brought up would be:

* Square knows how much EXP is required to level from Level 1 --> to 50. Just grant an average EXP value (something fair (e.g., ~200 - 300 EXP per Synth / Attempt)) and calculate the # of Synths that is.

* Credit all the Gatherers and Crafters up to their current Level.


It's true that we may still craft and make items after this patch (of course), but for those of us that are Level 50, the sheer # of Synths / Attempts / Chops, etc. is something very few have the incentive to do all over again.

Crafting is boring enough, but redoing 5,600 Synth Attempts is ludicrous.

I hope Yoshida-san and team considers a fair and equitable solution for Gatherers and Crafters on this issue. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

why would they auto give us it when earning level 50 and earning x crafts/gathers are different achievment
We actually get Lv50 by doing crafts/gathers.
We didn't get Lv50 by doing quest only :))


also add in how many people used tons of leves to go up in ranks(which elimates TONS of gathers and synths required at ranges)
We used Leve because SE told us to level up using leves. Yoshi-P changed it a few weeks ago? Does this give him the right to eliminate all our works because he changed his mind? :) That's would be very high level of "customer care" :D



no one except those who were actively overdoing everything all this time even after 50 may have even been close to earning it
and somehow i bet they dont care cuz they are redoing it

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I'm here to let SE hear my voice :)

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Originally Posted by Giant

I'm here to let SE hear my voice :)

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while those are valid points, you do end up with a ton of people(me for instance) who wouldnt have earned certain ones who would get freebies to satisfy those who feel entitled to get them

thing is, no ones entitled to them without redoing them now, i can almost guarentee you 0% of the population earned ANY of these unless they were one of the earliest 50s in the game

after the exp patches, everything changed and you woulda gone beyond the ammount needed for each purely cuz of how much extra exp you woulda gotten

and for gatherers, again, they wouldnt even be close to getting the tool(even moreso for those who went to coerthas)



this isnt about wether or not they care about us
they warned us about this MONTHS ago, did anyone whine or listen then? no

hell i was even ready to go back and do my kills again(which im glad i dont have to, but i was willing to)



in the end though, notice how war/magic users didnt get any special golden items, all they got was a crown and a few titles

we get cool golden tools(which may suck, but they are still cool looking)

and the fact that itl be rare to earn it now, will make it mean that much more when we do get them


also those who are 50 now, who only got 50 to get 50 and dont touch these things again, they will cry the loudest cuz they really dont wanna redo ANYTHING, those people DO NOT deserve these items of course

and thats what these achievments will do, seperate those of us who want them cuz we are true gather and crafters
from those who us who didnt wanna do them to begin with

It's not really a problem. You earn these achievements over your entire game carreer. You're not supposed to be able to bang them all out in a few days.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

in the end though, notice how war/magic users didnt get any special golden items, all they got was a crown and a few titles

we get cool golden tools(which may suck, but they are still cool looking)

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To counter your argument, jobs (extension of classes) ARE getting unique armor and weapons in 1.21. Where are the unique armor sets for crafters and gatherers? I know I want something special for my fisherman, like a big yellow coat like the Gorton man or something.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

To counter your argument, jobs (extension of classes) ARE getting unique armor and weapons in 1.21. Where are the unique armor sets for crafters and gatherers? I know I want something special for my fisherman, like a big yellow coat like the Gorton man or something.

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and to counter that, those job armors, have NOTHING to do with the achievment system
so that is a discussion for another time obviously

for our items for craftiong and gathering, it requires us to just do our job, alot

for combat classes, they are going to have to go quest or do something else to earn it which will be alot harder i bet

OP chiming in, First the discussion is kind of getting a little off track from the looks of it. I never wanted SE to give us all the achievements right up front. Bottom line SE knows it takes an average amount of synths to go from zero to 50. They could of used that as a base to calucate the number and then scaled it down each level so people for example only made it to 45 would still get some form of credit. I would of been happy with something, anything, but instead SE took the lazy way out and did nothing. They're were people who spent many, many hours crafting and gathering since launch of the game and put their fair share of work in while a good chunk of the game did not. I personally think its a slap in the face by SE to do nothing about this and not put any effort into to fixing this.

P.S. Yes I know the gathering achievements are pretty insane compared even to the crafting achievements. I'm not expecting even close to 50% credit on those but again anything is better than nothing.

If they had some sort of system in place to remember how many nodes we have gathered and where...much like they can keep track of how many Mobs we've killed than we wouldn't be having this problem.

Regardless I can't forsee them doing anything about this. I think us Gathering and Crafting classes will just have to suck it up and deal. I think I'll start a new Gathering class to get a Golden item as I have NO desire to actively try to get my Golden Pick Axe now that I'm 50.