Sorry mnk and mch... no love for you during this patch :(

1st of all for monk.. you guys get *nothing* during this patch LOL

2nd is mch, I am more concern about their dps numbers not their *heat* lol, yes we get 3% buff and alot of heat reduction but I really do Not think this is enough for anyone would take a MCH over a BRD for savage. I don't even understand how people have problems managing their heat in the 1st place tho, the problem is their dmg is very low so they should've increase the potency a bit more.

Double the dmg for turrets but yet we still can't use the turret for 30 seconds!!!!! It is still a dps loss imo.

The heat changes are the biggest WTF I have seen. Instead of bringing us up to Utility parity with BRD. They instead decide to make MCH less immersive, now you have to do a minimum of 5 Attacks (Definitely more with the Reloads) before you can do a Cooldown, and 10 Attacks before you can Overheat.

Trying to time Overheat with Wildfire is going to be the biggest pain in the world. They should have atleast made Flamethrower work like Stun Gun in PVP so it forces you into Ovearheat immediately. Otherwise you are going to need to prepare a good 20 Seconds in advance to get into Overheat for wildfire, and this is going to include having to hold Reloads.

That or use lolflamethrower which is such a DPS lost I contemplate taking it off my hotbar everyday.

MNK is actually in a much better place.

With Ast, Drg, Sch and Brd giving out Crit Buffs to party members. Mnks might actually be able to catch up to Sam DPS. Its unfortunate that they didn't modify the trait to include Job Abilities or Auto Attacks instead of just Weapon skills, but overall, MNK is not in a bad place.

MNK does have a list of worthless skills, and with one of the smallest kits in the game, its a wonder why that is. One Ilm Punch, Arm of the Destroyer? 2 GCDs that are effectively worthless. It's quite funny, MNK is the only class with a single target GCD that has been essentially worthless and unused since this game has started, yet they refuse to remove it or make it viable. Instead they nerf one of our oGCDs to try and make this GCD viable.

It would have at least been better if they mapped Touch Of Death's DoT to it to make the class a little funner.

It's gonna be HARDER for mch to build up heat noe because of all the heat reduction >. < why giving only 3% buff instead of 5 lol.. make it even with 10%!!! Seem mch is already have LESS utility than brd they really need to buff mch potency a lot more so the class can make up for all that utilities that they don't have compare to brd.

As for MNK, according to the interview that said to themself mnk is going to be in better place, they can even do more dmg than sam during savage.. I think that just straight *bs*, yes dragoon/brd/asto/sch all give crits BUT it's the pretty much the same old meta, nothing changes but ast now can give crits buff, what happens if the group doesn't have an ast? Does that mean mnk is gonna have to suffer? And beside I am almost pretty sure that the metas for most of group 're 2 tanks/2 heals/ sam, ninj, rdm and brd lol.

MCH changes look like they're basically forcing the use of Flamethrower to Overheat, with it, Wildfire, and Barrel Stabilizer now all being 60 seconds. They basically want Heat to not be any issue during your normal rotation, with Flamethrower forcing Overheating, where you then Wildfire, and when you re-apply Gauss Barrel afterwards, you use Barrel Stabilizer for no heat downtime other than the forced 10 seconds after Overheating.

im happy with monk (mostly) in stormblood.

i like that the core rotation didnt change. I love monk because its fast, simple to perform the rotation, but punishing for failing the rotation/losing stacks.


the only thing i have any issues with is riddle of fire. as much of a dps gain as it might be, "I love monk because its fast" it ruins the dynamic of the job. but its w/e. 20s every minute and a half, i can deal with it.
Plus an enhanced arrow under my riddle of fire is amazing, basically a straight 30% extra dmg. But oh well. Tackle mastery sucks, but its free dmg, so cant complain much really.


i could due with returning potencies back to monk, even at the cost of bringing back the TP. and reducing the speed reduction on riddle of fire.


brotherhood is wack, 5% dmg for the physical party is laughable. utility is awful, doesnt deserve the dmg nerf.
etc etc, blah blah.


minor changes to monk is all i want, but its not bad as it is

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Originally Posted by Ossom

MNK is actually in a much better place.

With Ast, Drg, Sch and Brd giving out Crit Buffs to party members. Mnks might actually be able to catch up to Sam DPS. Its unfortunate that they didn't modify the trait to include Job Abilities or Auto Attacks instead of just Weapon skills, but overall, MNK is not in a bad place.

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I don't think the catch up is as substantive as you'd think. Wouldn't the same buffs apply to SAM as well? Deep Meditation alone doesn't push MNK up that fast unless RNGesus is with you. A crit Midare Setsuna has much more of a massive bonus, and potentially is easier to setup than having 2-3 TFC's all crit under Riddle of Fire.

"I'm fine with Monk the way it is" - is annoying. It was fine in 2.x, improved in 3.x. 4.x should have done something to the job...but it didn't. It didn't even improve as much as 2.x to 3.x (in a sense, it only improved things because of what they removed in the first place: B4B -> RoF).

I didn't say I was fine with the way Monk is. I was saying Monk is in a better place than MCH and overall not in a bad place. (Compared to Mch, Smn, and Drg). MNK needs some usefulness out of its skills, compared to those classes needing huge buffs to make them worthwhile.

MNK is suffering right now mainly due to a big portion of its skills being quite useless, and the lack of Crit. Unfortunately MNK is not going to shine until we get into the further patches in 4.x, when Crit slowly starts to catch up and eventually overtake Direct Hit. It could use a slight buff, but nothing crazy. The big problem is that Sam is just so powerful. But that doesn't mean MNK needs a buff, Sam needs to be brought down, same as RDM.

This doom and gloom attitude really needs to stop.

1) MNK won't be changed until 5.0. Many people are unsatisfied with how the job plays and how little their rotation have changed since arr and while this is understandable, the dev team will not redesign MNK during the expansion. Not going to happen. Their damage is ok and that's all they care about. Wait for 5.0 if you want a new mnk with new skills and a fresh play style.

2) MCH actually got a dps buff. Their damage wasn't even much lower than brd's to begin with. Now the 3% buff to hotshot and the fact that we'll be going oh at every wf will probably give us around 150 more dps, even considering that we will be using cd less frequently. The buff to overload is also nice and could be a significant dps gain in add phases.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

1) MNK won't be changed until 5.0. Many people are unsatisfied with how the job plays and how little their rotation changed since arr and while this is understandable, the dev team will not redesign MNK during the expansion. Not giong to happen. Their damage is ok and that's all they care about. Wait for 5.0 if you want a new mnk with new skills and a fresh play style.

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The class, to my understanding, has played pretty much exactly the same since 2.0. Telling people to wait until 5.0 and to basically sit on their thumbs doesn't seem like particularly useful advice.

It seems like people are criticized for complaining about stuff at "the wrong time", but if not now, then when?

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Originally Posted by Brinzy

The class, to my understanding, has played pretty much exactly the same since 2.0. Telling people to wait until 5.0 and to basically sit on their thumbs doesn't seem like particularly useful advice.

It seems like people are criticized for complaining about stuff at "the wrong time", but if not now, then when?

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Before sb. 3.x mnk was the same as 2.x mnk with the addition of form shift, chakras and 2 ogcd skills. And now 4.x mnk is the same as 3.x mnk with the addition of rng chakra generation, brotherhood and rof basically. Why didn't people start asking for something new back then if they were tired of playing the same job? Also, complaining for 1 month about the same thing (notice the amount of threads saying how rof makes the job boring or mnk is boring because it's the same since arr) is not useful at all. We have several clone threads with people writing the same things over and over again. Is this useful? Do you think Yoshida will read them and think "oh, we need to redesign mnk because some people are saying it's boring". No, this won't happen. Because, again, they will not change mnk gameplay during stormblood.

Also, this game allows you to try every job. If you've been maining mnk for 2 or more years of course you'll get tired of it. Just switch job for a little while. Stubbornly sticking to a job and then complaining because you grow tired of it but refusing to try other jobs at the same time just doesn't make sense imho.

I don't have proof, but I'm pretty sure I saw plenty of requests for monk to be redesigned all throughout HW, especially since it was a relatively poor class for lacking utility and thus having lower group damage. Many of those threads had suggestions for how they'd like the class to change. This was long before, during, and after Stormblood was announced.

And, people were saying it was boring back then, too. Clearly the developers disagreed. Whether it is or not is sorta a side issue with me; I just don't think that expecting people to not ask for redesigns isn't totally out of the question, even if it's just individual abilities. They literally just changed a WHM ability. I don't think it's too out of the realm to ask for MNK to get something similar.

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I don't have proof, but I'm pretty sure I saw plenty of requests for monk to be redesigned all throughout HW, especially since it was a relatively poor class for lacking utility and thus having lower group damage. Many of those threads had suggestions for how they'd like the class to change. This was long before, during, and after Stormblood was announced.

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iirc those were mainly suggestions on how to give mnk utility, not real gameplay changes. mnk are now complaining about their actual gameplay, how the job feels. and since it feels the same as before, I really don't get what the problem is. If you liked mnk in hw there's absolutely no reason why you shouldn't like it now, the only exception being maybe rof since it disrupts their flow (and I have no problem with it tbh).

For me, RoF is absolutely the reason I'm dragging my feet on leveling monk. That and I just haven't had the time. I'm fine with the way monk plays otherwise; I do agree that it's strange to keep playing this class if the baseline kit isn't exciting.

Most of the threads were asking for utility, and monk got utility, so the complaints seem to be really just RoF and hoping for a redesign there.

The MCH changes look so superficial... just for making the job easier but that's not the real problem with the job...