SMN needs to be addressed ASAP

the entire bahamut design is wrong

reused model from 2.0

no attack animation

awful AI that follows the player around and prioritizes movement before attacking, bahamut has a 100-yalm attack reach, WHY WOULD IT MOVE AT ALL?

underwhelming dps

no signature attacks, we dont get tera-flare, giga-flare, missiles

akh-morn should hit for 1000 potency or more with no damage fall-off for big groups of enemies, it's the tank-buster attack from the beast that almost destroys the planet and, lore-wise, one of the strongest magics in hydaelyn, but only hits for 544 potency, even less if you hit more than 1 enemy

akh-morn animation is a copy-pasted deathflare, worst design choice i've seen in the game

the fact that it blocks the view to party members is not great either

SMN is meant to be a build up mage, gathering stacks and resources for 2 minutes before a 20sec window of real damage, and that small window should be a huge explosion of damage

it isn't tho

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Originally Posted by HarleySykes

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Akh Morn was Bahamut's signature skill in coil so why would it be different?

Why would they use a new model for Bahamut... When the Bahamut we know is the one we summon.

Isn't SMN LB tera flare? I can't remember but I swear it was something-flare.

The attack animation Bahamut uses is the auto attack animation from Final Coil so it makes sense.

The Bahamut you summon and the Bahamut from the calamity/coil isn't the same in power level. So saying in lore he is this strong wouldn't translate like that. Maybe they can increase the potency but not to 1000 that's just silly.

I will agree on the point with blocking vision for other people. SMNs asked for big summons and now people complain about big summons...

They are doing class changes on Tuesday. If things haven't changed then you can complain about underwhelming dps. Most of the things you point out just make no sense to me and I have a SMN at 70.

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Originally Posted by Remus

Akh Morn was Bahamut's signature skill in coil so why would it be different?

Why would they use a new model for Bahamut... When the Bahamut we know is the one we summon.

The attack animation Bahamut uses is the auto attack animation from Final Coil so it makes sense.

The Bahamut you summon and the Bahamut from the calamity/coil isn't the same in power level. So saying in lore he is this strong wouldn't translate like that. Maybe they can increase the potency but not to 1000 that's just silly.

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so, it's the same but it's not the same? talk about not making sense...

also making a burst-damage job that cant actually burst-damage is even sillier

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None of these are the actual reasons as to why SMN needs help.

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Originally Posted by HarleySykes

so, it's the same but it's not the same? talk about not making sense...

also making a burst-damage job that cant actually burst-damage is even sillier

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Primals and in general all aetheric beings have a different power level depending on things like the amount of crystals and the intensity of emotions used when summoning them. The fact that the bahamut you summon isn't as powerful as the one we fought in 2.x makes perfect sense lore-wise, since you're not recreating the original prima in the final coil. SMN needs some fixes, but akh morn's potency isn't a problem...and 1k potency for something you use twice in a 13 seconds window would be just silly.

tl;dr, but SMN is the strongest single target caster if executed to perfection.

The implication of this is that SE completely backfired if their goal was to "make jobs simpler".

My suggestion would be to make it function more like PVP summoner where you can summon bahamut after every DWT and then just cut his potency in half.

I do agree it's kind of lame you're big ability at 70 is the same as it is at 60. Should be much bigger or something.

70 skill should do twice the damage as the 60 skill. No excuses. Or put a debuff on first akh morn to have incentive to use 2nd one for bigger damage.

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Originally Posted by Llugen

tl;dr, but SMN is the strongest single target caster if executed to perfection.

The implication of this is that SE completely backfired if their goal was to "make jobs simpler".

My suggestion would be to make it function more like PVP summoner where you can summon bahamut after every DWT and then just cut his potency in half.

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The way Ruin III acts like Ruin II in PVP is nice too and how Ruin IV is only usable during trance. The consolidated buttons for DWT/Deathflare can stay there, though.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

The fact that the bahamut you summon isn't as powerful as the one we fought in 2.x makes perfect sense lore-wise, since you're not recreating the original prima in the final coil. SMN needs some fixes, but akh morn's potency isn't a problem...and 1k potency for something you use twice in a 13 seconds window would be just silly.

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Just general Fyi. Currently Ahk Morn is a false 680 potency. In reality it does around 544 potency. (My Red Mage and My summoner are the same ilvl with 320 weapons and my 550 potency Verflare/Holy does more damage) Black Mage's Foul is on a 30 Second Cooldown and does 650 actual potency.

By the time Black Mage has done 4 Fouls (Totaling 2600 Potency) Summoner has done 2 Ahk morns for about 1088. If Ahk Morn was 1000 potency, and you could still perform two of them it would still be 600 less potency then Foul.

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Originally Posted by Llugen

tl;dr, but SMN is the strongest single target caster if executed to perfection.

The implication of this is that SE completely backfired if their goal was to "make jobs simpler".

My suggestion would be to make it function more like PVP summoner where you can summon bahamut after every DWT and then just cut his potency in half.

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Summoner is so far away from being the strongest caster in any regard it's silly lol. Summoner isn't the strongest anything.

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15...036&dataset=99

You can click through the different ranges and percentiles, but Summoner is normally 200 dps less then both Red Mage and Black Mage. Not only that, But anywhere at 60th percentile and below, Summoner's have the lowest dps. At 75th Percentile they are around the third lowest dps and don't have the utility to make up for it.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

Primals and in general all aetheric beings have a different power level depending on things like the amount of crystals and the intensity of emotions used when summoning them. The fact that the bahamut you summon isn't as powerful as the one we fought in 2.x makes perfect sense lore-wise, since you're not recreating the original prima in the final coil. SMN needs some fixes, but akh morn's potency isn't a problem...and 1k potency for something you use twice in a 13 seconds window would be just silly.

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Ahk morn has an effective 1min 7 second Cooldown if you play 100% optimally and phase changes don't push bahamut summoning back. You forget there is a 2minute built up to summon him, that and potency is 2/3 of actual listed potency. Not saying I agree with what was proposed but when you judge do keep this information in mind. (Aka smn balancing is a convoluted mess)

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Originally Posted by Ariomi

Currently Ahk Morn is a false 680 potency. In reality it does around 544 potency. (My rdm and smn are the same ilvl with 320 weapons and my 550 potency Verflare/Holy does more damage) Blacky's Foul is on a 30 sec cd and does 650 actual potency.

By the time Black Mage has done 4 Fouls (Totaling 2600 Potency) Summoner has done 2 Ahk morns for about 1088. If Ahk Morn was 1000 potency, and you could still perform two of them it would still be 600 less potency then Foul.

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yeah this would be kinda fair imo... also the idea of MagiusNecros would be nice giving the 2nd ahk morn a more impactful meaning... the whole cls is about building up dmg until the big bang finisher right? so make the big bang finisher at least BIG BANG - but a bing bang currently weaker than Deathflare... is kinda underwhelming : /

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70 skill should do twice the damage as the 60 skill. No excuses. Or put a debuff on first akh morn to have incentive to use 2nd one for bigger damage.

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