Another QoL request

Hey everyone, I'd like to suggest this one idea of a friend.

I just did collectables for yellow scrip gear, lost meanwhile my challenge log entries for crafter xp. While Im aware of this most of the time, I just forgot the xp (since reset was yesterday).

http://i.imgur.com/488HTMg.png?1
rip 1m~ crafter experience ヽ(￣д￣,)ノ

I'd like to ask for a claim button for the log, where you can decide and plan even on which jobs you want to use your free experience points.

What are your thoughts? Needed or unnecessary? Please show your support!

I don't see any downside.

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Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth

I don't see any downside.

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Thats good, thank you.

i would love this too! including with gathering. :c

I agree. I accidentally did my dungeon challenge on my 70. Would have been nice to obtain that exp on one of my lower levels. :(

Just as long as the EXP syncs to whatever you're claiming it on (Minus combat classes getting gathering/crafting EXP). I know there's been times I got my dungeon roulettes on one of my 70 classes when I ran a bunch of dungeons with friends and was a bit mad at myself for not getting it on something I was actively leveling.

Usually when I see these threads for QoL it's never truly QoL. Honestly? I can't actually find any real fault with the idea. It literally couldnt hurt and doesnt give any inherent advantage to a specific niche slice of the Playerbase. I'm on board.


Though I would say 1 thing.... what about the "universal" challenge log rewards, such as the MGP ones? Having to actually go into a menu for every little one each weeks seems like a QoL LOSS :p

It tells you when you're about to complete it so that you can quickly switch and do that last craft. Pay more attention.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

It tells you when you're about to complete it so that you can quickly switch and do that last craft. Pay more attention.

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#1 you can't cancel Quick Synthesis fast enough
#2 i don't always sit there and spam HQ crafts, if i get the message and have no more mats i might not do another HQ craft for a few hours/days.
#3 if i'm 2/3 on roulettes and/or 4/5 on dungeons and someone asked me to help tank/heal an expert roulette i have to say no?
#4 if i'm 4/5 on commendations i have to give one when no one deserves it? or i have to hold that last commendation till i'm on an XP job again even though i think people in an Expert/Trial should be commended?

One of the problems would be that you need to actually complete the last craft with the class you want the experience for. For example, with your suggestion, you could complete every craft with your level 70, then redeem on your level 30 crafter which crafted nothing. With the current system, you'd have to do at least one craft with your level 30. that might be something you'd want to try to work into your suggestion.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

#1 you can't cancel Quick Synthesis fast enough
#2 i don't always sit there and spam HQ crafts, if i get the message and have no more mats i might not do another HQ craft for a few hours/days.
#3 if i'm 2/3 on roulettes and/or 4/5 on dungeons and someone asked me to help tank/heal an expert roulette i have to say no?
#4 if i'm 4/5 on commendations i have to give one when no one deserves it? or i have to hold that last commendation till i'm on an XP job again even though i think people in an Expert/Trial should be commended?

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You misunderstand me. I don't have a problem with the suggestion. I'm simply saying the specific problem it seeks to solve isn't actually a problem, since if you run into that issue at this point it's due to your own failing. I think the dungeon situation is a much better case for the need for such a button and that's the argument that came to mind when I first read the thread.

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Originally Posted by FaileExperiment

One of the problems would be that you need to actually complete the last craft with the class you want the experience for. For example, with your suggestion, you could complete every craft with your level 70, then redeem on your level 30 crafter which crafted nothing. With the current system, you'd have to do at least one craft with your level 30. that might be something you'd want to try to work into your suggestion.

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It's really irrelevant, at least for crafting. As it stands, I can craft 29 things on my level 70 and then log on my level 30 crafter, buy 15 gil worth of stuff from the vendors, and make a level 1 craft to get the XP. The difference between that and crafting literally nothing with that class is negligible.

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Originally Posted by FaileExperiment

One of the problems would be that you need to actually complete the last craft with the class you want the experience for. For example, with your suggestion, you could complete every craft with your level 70, then redeem on your level 30 crafter which crafted nothing. With the current system, you'd have to do at least one craft with your level 30. that might be something you'd want to try to work into your suggestion.

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the game obviously does not care about this with Grand Company Supply Missions and Tradecraft Leves being what they are. at least you still do it yourself, in those cases you can buy stuff straight off the market board and turn in for XP. that's how i level FSH.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I'm simply saying the specific problem it seeks to solve isn't actually a problem, since if you run into that issue at this point it's due to your own failing.

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how is Quick Synthesis my failing? that's the whole point of Quick Synthesis.

One thing I really hate is when I don't hand out commendations because I want the bonus EXP for that fifth one each week.

It would be nice to have a system to prevent the various "lost" EXP from the ones that give it, but I'm not sure of exactly how they'd do it without allowing you to get the EXP on a job/class that didn't actually earn it either.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

how is Quick Synthesis my failing? that's the whole point of Quick Synthesis.

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Because you didn't bother to check your Challenge Log before crafting about six billion items, despite knowing full well that 1) such a challenge exists and 2) you care about the XP from that challenge. In what kind of bizarro world is having the appropriate information provided to you and not bothering to make use of it in deciding how to act not your fault? I know it's really popular to insist that once the mistake was made it totally wasn't your fault and it's all everyone else's fault, but such excuses only serve to prevent you from learning the lesson and acting with more discretion the next time.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

Because you didn't bother to check your Challenge Log before crafting about six billion items, despite knowing full well that 1) such a challenge exists and 2) you care about the XP from that challenge. In what kind of bizarro world is having the appropriate information provided to you and not bothering to make use of it in deciding how to act not your fault? I know it's really popular to insist that once the mistake was made it totally wasn't your fault and it's all everyone else's fault, but such excuses only serve to prevent you from learning the lesson and acting with more discretion the next time.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I think the dungeon situation is a much better case for the need for such a button and that's the argument that came to mind when I first read the thread.

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it's the same exact thing except for "before crafting about six billion items", replace that with "before running a dungeon", "giving a commendation" why is one decision bizarro world and the other one not? what's much better about running dungeons?

I've heard a variation of this request before, where, when you complete a challenge, you simply get an option to accept the reward or not. If you don't accept it for that class, then the challenge remains one shy of completion (4/5, 9/10, 29/30 or whatever), and you get the option again the next time you do the associated activity.

It's pretty much the same as the claim button you suggest, but claiming it will give the XP to whichever class last completed the task. (For instance, clicking "Claim" for Craft Up a Storm would give XP to whichever class you last crafted an item with.) I'd support the suggestion in that form, where you have to have at least done the final step with the class you're claiming it on.

It still takes care of the current problems with either accidentally completing where you didn't mean to or of having to hold off on doing stuff to avoid completing it.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

As it stands, I can craft 29 things on my level 70 and then log on my level 30 crafter, buy 15 gil worth of stuff from the vendors, and make a level 1 craft to get the XP.

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That's because the challenge itself is simply to craft stuff, with no specification of levels. You could also do all 30 of them as trivial level 1 items and it satisfies the challenge. So that final step you're dismissing as negligible is as valid for the challenge as any other.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

It's really irrelevant, at least for crafting. As it stands, I can craft 29 things on my level 70 and then log on my level 30 crafter, buy 15 gil worth of stuff from the vendors, and make a level 1 craft to get the XP. The difference between that and crafting literally nothing with that class is negligible.

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I agree in spirit, but it's not irrelevant if that's how SE wants it. Honestly, I think it's a development issue. You have to go through a lot of hoops to let you choose the class you want. The way they did it is obviously just the easiest way to implement it. I wish they would change it too

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

it's the same exact thing except for "before crafting about six billion items", replace that with "before running a dungeon", "giving a commendation" why is one decision bizarro world and the other one not? what's much better about running dungeons?

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It is to an extent, but having to put off a dungeon run with your friends until you go do one on whatever you want to level is a lot more disruptive than taking 45 seconds to knock out craft #30 and in practice would likely require the player to at least some of the time decide to sacrifice the challenge log XP. The difference here is less about who is at fault for losing the XP and more the degree of disruption not losing the XP may reasonably entail.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

That's because the challenge itself is simply to craft stuff, with no specification of levels. You could also do all 30 of them as trivial level 1 items and it satisfies the challenge. So that final step you're dismissing as negligible is as valid for the challenge as any other.

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You're missing the point, which is that for all intents and purposes you can already basically gift the XP to a crafting class without doing any actual work on it. Your post sounds like you're disagreeing with me, but you really just doubled down on the point I was making.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

You're missing the point, which is that for all intents and purposes you can already basically gift the XP to a crafting class without doing any actual work on it. Your post sounds like you're disagreeing with me, but you really just doubled down on the point I was making.

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That's only because you're equating "actual work" with meaning high level work, even though that's not what the challenge is. This particular one happens to be a pretty easy challenge, so yes, the final step is easy too.

If you'd want Craft Up a Storm to be "Craft 30 level appropriate items" rather than just "Craft 30 Items" that could perhaps fix your concern over whether what you're doing qualifies as actual work or not. But that would be a different request than the one this thread is about.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

That's only because you're equating "actual work" with meaning high level work, even though that's not what the challenge is. This particular one happens to be a pretty easy challenge, so yes, the final step is easy too.

If you'd want Craft Up a Storm to be "Craft 30 level appropriate items" rather than just "Craft 30 Items" that could perhaps fix your concern over whether what you're doing qualifies as actual work or not. But that would be a different request than the one this thread is about.

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You do not seem to have a grasp of what my post was saying. I don't have a concern. On the contrary, my post was to suggest that someone else's concern was without merit.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

You do not seem to have a grasp of what my post was saying. I don't have a concern. On the contrary, my post was to suggest that someone else's concern was without merit.

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Your basis for deciding that that concern was without merit was: "The difference between that and crafting literally nothing with that class is negligible."

In that assessment of crafting a simple item as being virtually the same as "crafting literally nothing", what you're really saying is that the entire challenge is really nothing, because that IS the challenge. The whole challenge is just to craft stuff, even if it's simple level 1 stuff. This disdain for simple challenges sounded a lot like concern over the challenge being too simple. After all, if you think the final step is too negligible to care about, do you care any more about the rest of steps?

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Your basis for deciding that that concern was without merit was: "The difference between that and crafting literally nothing with that class is negligible."

In that assessment of crafting a simple item as being virtually the same as "crafting literally nothing", what you're really saying is that the entire challenge is really nothing, because that IS the challenge. The whole challenge is just to craft stuff, even if it's simple level 1 stuff. This disdain for simple challenges sounded a lot like concern over the challenge being too simple. After all, if you think the final step is too negligible to care about, do you care any more about the rest of steps?

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I never made a statement, implicit or otherwise, as to the appropriateness of the difficulty of the challenge. I merely provided an assessment of the current state compared to the state the suggestion would bring about if implemented as it related to the concern of the person I was responding to.