How many people have multiple houses?

http://kotaku.com/two-final-fantasy-...ium=Socialflow

28 homes... do a lot of other people have this many?
I have friends with 6 or 7. Is 28 the most?

Idk anyone with more than one unless they're on another server. I would love to just have one and it seems transfers have cooled off, so even after checking all aetherites in the major cities, I've yet to find a single open plot.

...They really need to limit one house per account.

Most I know only have one. My one friend had two at one point but let it auto demo since she didnt need it anymore after purchasing one she wanted more. I only have the one.

I do agree that being able to basically own an entire Ward is overkill and should not be allowed. Especially seeing as how limited the housing is in some servers.

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

...They really need to limit one house per account.

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That would make sense though, can't have that.

One house per server not per account.

Fairest thing to do would be to give alts access to your house (make them tenants or w/e) and allow 1 private home and 1 fc home per server. Apartments could probably be kept per character as there are way more of them and they do not allow tenants. I really hate to see people hogging houses like this. No, they aren't breaking any rules or doing anything necessarily wrong but it doesn't mean they aren't being greedy or selfish brats about it. The tumblr post mentioned in that article is absolutely dripping with entitled vitriol.

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How dare you.
You, who finally deign to set foot in my home.

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- straight up quote from the house hoarder

Like I said, they aren't technically doing anything wrong in owning that many, but I would feel absolutely no sympathy for them if SE should finally decide to limit housing and strip them of most of their plots. As I'm not on their server and I already own a home, I don't really have a horse in this race, but as an objective observer I feel like they are behaving like terrible people.

I used to own two, a medium that I owned and a small for my one man FC, but I never visited the small one so it was demolished

They're greedy D-nozzles true, but it was their tone that their little soapbox speech oozed that really irked me

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

http://kotaku.com/two-final-fantasy-...ium=Socialflow

28 homes... do a lot of other people have this many?
I have friends with 6 or 7. Is 28 the most?

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You have friends on Balmung with 6 or 7 houses? Friends? Balmung?

Selfish ingrates...perhaps. But friends?

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

...They really need to limit one house per account.

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One *personal* house per account, per server, with alt characters on the server having access. Free Company Masters need a specific exception to allow them to own one FC house and one *Personal* house - per account, per server..

That is absolutely disgusting. There is zero reason anyone should need or be able to buy any more than one personal house per server. And SE really needs to put limits on that, soon. These guys are just an example, there are others that buy up property en masse like that to gain a monopoly on house sales, something that fills me with dread thinking about the second Shirogane opens up.
In their case I see it as less 'we want to live in quiet' and more 'look how much more money we have than you, lolol'. It's pretty clear to me they're only doing it to anger people, and they definitely succeeded.

There's no point at getting mad at people who own multiple houses.

The housing system needs to be fixed. One personal house/one FC house, per server, per account.

If Square Enix can't open enough wards to accommodate the majority of their active players, they should make housing instanced. Especially since the neighbourhoods are mostly empty anyway.

If Square Enix can't or won't make housing instanced in light of this, then I'd honestly prefer that they just remove housing entirely. There's no point to a gameplay feature that 90% of the playerbase can't access.

And just because I know someone's going to bring up the asinine argument, Savage raiding is not "a gameplay feature that 90% of the playerbase can't access". They're not the same thing.

Can't really deny or sugarcoat that those two players are ultimately rather selfish and entitled, the soapbox stance of theirs was really eye-rolling, I mean fair play to them, the plots had been empty for years but even so its still selfish in the grand scheme of things as really we all shouldn't really be owning so many homes but such is the current system, but at the same time SEs still at fault for allowing such an easily abused system in the first place. If they just admitted they screwed up when they made housing and and started plans to actually fix it, we wouldn't have any problems at all.

Literally all they had to do was make it one house per server + FC house if you happened to be a leader of one, let your alts access your house and reset the timer since after all, you're still the same account.

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

Literally all they had to do was make it one house per server + FC house if you happened to be a leader of one, let your alts access your house and reset the timer since after all, you're still the same account.

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This would help the situation a lot IMHO. I know it means someone actually working with players to do it, but I think that SE needs to go to players with more than one personal house and have them nominate which one they want to keep. I'm sure that some compensation would need to be agreed. but afterwards, SE could implement the one house per server, per account change. And if players refuse to cooperate, declare eminent domain and pick for them.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

This would help the situation a lot IMHO. I know it means someone actually working with players to do it, but I think that SE needs to go to players with more than one personal house and have them nominate which one they want to keep. I'm sure that some compensation would need to be agreed. but afterwards, SE could implement the one house per server, per account change. And if players refuse to cooperate, declare eminent domain and pick for them.

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Compensation in the form of give them the full cost of the house and plot back and save their furniture so that it can be reclaimed anytime within the next X amount of days or something. I mean that'd be fair wouldn't it?

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

Compensation in the form of give them the full cost of the house and plot back and save their furniture so that it can be reclaimed anytime within the next X amount of days or something. I mean that'd be fair wouldn't it?

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Really, this is what needs to happen. Give people a large advance notice, like two or three months, to let whatever houses they don't want auto-demo. Then if the timer runs out and they aren't in compliance with the limit, just strip everything except for the first personal house and first FC house they bought. Send them back all their gil for plots/permits and give them a nice long timer on furniture storage so they can figure out what to do with it all. That's the only way I see it be fair for everyone.

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

I mean fair play to them, the plots had been empty for years

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Those plots were added in June of 2016 and according to the post by the users that purchased them, they began their collection of houses in September. So about 3-ish months since ward 12 even existed they started in on buying up plots.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

You have friends on Balmung with 6 or 7 houses? Friends? Balmung?
Selfish ingrates...perhaps. But friends?

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I don't understand what you mean? There is nothing wrong with owning multiple houses is there? I mean SE lets people flip houses for 100s of millions of gil. That's a huge incentive to buy up land and resell. Fastest way to get rich in the game.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

I don't understand what you mean? There is nothing wrong with owning multiple houses is there? I mean SE lets people flip houses for 100s of millions of gil. That's a huge incentive to buy up land and resell. Fastest way to get rich in the game.

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Paying more then the original plot price plus the building permit, unless they just give it too you. I can't understand why anyone would waste money like that. FC maybe, but a player...

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Originally Posted by Krokov

Paying more then the original plot price plus the building permit, unless they just give it too you. I can't understand why anyone would waste money like that. FC maybe, but a player...

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Only way to get a house on servers like balmung. People sometimes want 50mil+ just to abandon a small.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

I don't understand what you mean? There is nothing wrong with owning multiple houses is there? I mean SE lets people flip houses for 100s of millions of gil. That's a huge incentive to buy up land and resell. Fastest way to get rich in the game.

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Just because someone can do something that's not against the rules doesn't mean that they aren't selfish jerks for doing so. And buying houses and flipping them for 100s of millions of gil is actually the only way to get SE to take action against you. They'll almost always look the other way if you are just trying recoup what you spent on a plot originally, but if you jack up the price 4-5 times higher than it's worth and someone reports you for it, SE can and will step in.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Just because someone can do something that's not against the rules doesn't mean that they aren't selfish jerks for doing so. And buying houses and flipping them for 100s of millions of gil is actually the only way to get SE to take action against you. They'll almost always look the other way if you are just trying recoup what you spent on a plot originally, but if you jack up the price 4-5 times higher than it's worth and someone reports you for it, SE can and will step in.

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Is there like official word on this? There's an entire reddit dedicated to people jacking up prices....

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

Is there like official word on this? There's an entire reddit dedicated to people jacking up prices....

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Right here, actually.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-this-thread

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

Is there like official word on this? There's an entire reddit dedicated to people jacking up prices....

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This thread right here has a video with Yoshi-P saying it isn't allowed.

Edit: Ah, someone already beat me to posting it!

I got a small private house, and there's my FC's as well. Both are fully furnished and in use.
My FC moved from a small house to a medium one this year, and it makes me sad to see our previous plot empty and locked. Wish I could report these so people who actually WANT a house can have it.

Edit: Just checked and the plot is owned by a 'Free Company' of 1 member. Either someone who likes to solo or someone who wishes to re-sell later on.

I support "1 house per server per account".
Just because you can do something doesn't mean it is right to do it.
While I applaud their effort to theme the entire ward, this is just not a behavior suited for online play in an MMO.

Bad SE oversight though. Such a glaring loophole should have been closed ages ago.
If SE decides to clamp down on such multiple ownership, which I think they should, I think the players should be compensated for their lost time as well. (Free subscription for a few months perhaps).

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Originally Posted by Marluxia

Right here, actually.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-this-thread

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What exactly constitutes an 'unusually high price' to the point it's not allowed and reportable? More than the cost of the plot itself? I'm not being cynical, I'm genuinely curious.

I thought it was really interesting that Kotaku decided to cover this story. It's a weird one for me because I really see where both sides are coming from.

As for the amount of houses I own - a private house and I guess partial ownership of a Free Company house?

My husband had owned one as well, so I technically had access to decorating three...but I get overwhelmed just decorating one.

It may seem unfair, but when these two bought up the 28 plots, there was still other wards completely empty in Goblet, and many not taken in Mist and Lavender beds. To anyone complaining, you had the chance but didn't take it to its to late.
I had a few plots in ward 1 lavender beds on Mateus and I can tell you people didn't even have the Gil to buy the plot from the Placard, so don't be complaining about them having 28 plots, this is only an issue because people move like sheep, flooding a previously small and quiet community with idiots that demand instead of thinking for themselves. And yes, I know about other worlds and population/plot issues, but like the real world, its first in first served.

And one more thing, this is a game world, you can make huge amounts of Gil, it isn't hard if you just research and work towards a goal, not instant gratification. If I wanted a plot someone has, I would ask them if they would sell it and work towards obtaining it no matter the cost. This is why you have your own company for example, people don't even use their companies very well, empty gardens, no airship, no projects, just sit in the company and bitch about everything when you could all be making large amounts of Gil from the things you neglect to use.

The sad thing these days is nobody wants to earn anything. That's what these two did, they earned it, if only people could think for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Hakuro89

What exactly constitutes an 'unusually high price' to the point it's not allowed and reportable? More than the cost of the plot itself? I'm not being cynical, I'm genuinely curious.

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I believe the only reply given by Yoshi was making double or more the original plot cost, but this is flawed, because once someone sells a plot, then the next person pays say +1M for example, and then sells it later the next person pays +2M or more, it will just keep going up in price if each person wants a small profit.

But the thing is, if I wanted a plot you own, I'd pay whatever it takes to make you leave, even if I have to make you house glamours or airships, if I want it I'll try to obtain it and thus far its always worked. Don't forget I had to work for it, it wasn't instant gratification and like the challenge. Might seem harsh, but there is way to many self-entitled players here that think because you pay a subscription you automatically get to have everything handed to you on a plate...

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Originally Posted by Hakuro89

What exactly constitutes an 'unusually high price' to the point it's not allowed and reportable? More than the cost of the plot itself? I'm not being cynical, I'm genuinely curious.

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I believe it was left ambiguous on purpose so that the GMs could decide for themselves on a case-by-case basis. I personally report anyone I see charging double or more. There should be a bit of a cushion above the plot price for the permit, irretrievable items, etc. But again, that is my personal feelings, after that it's up to the GMs if they want to take action.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

Is there like official word on this? There's an entire reddit dedicated to people jacking up prices....

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Take note that reddit is not run by Square and thus Square doesn't have a say in the matter. Recent attempts at selling houses on these forums have been removed and the FFXIV reddit site has disassociated itself from the other subreddit. If it's allowed, why would people be utilizing 3rd party sites instead of in-game methods?

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

Take note that reddit is not run by Square and thus Square doesn't have a say in the matter. Recent attempts at selling houses on these forums have been removed and the FFXIV reddit site has disassociated itself from the other subreddit. If it's allowed, why would people be utilizing 3rd party sites instead of in-game methods?

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I get that but i guess it doesn't change the fact that people are regularly selling houses and buying houses to sell without getting banned. It's like if a bank said "you can't steal money from us" and then let 100s of people steal money from them.

If SE wanted to stop this from happening why wouldn't they put something like a random timer on abandoned houses (e.g. if you abandon a house a random number is generated between 1 hour and 5 days). Or add a lottery system to purchasing new/abandoned plots.

It just seems like this is one of those "don't do it" and then everyone does it anyways thing.

SE could have done a lot to stop something like this from happening but they did not, which is really sad.

I have no words for this two players that bought that many houses..its quite telling what sort of humans they are..

I have one house, but have considered an apartment either at my FC's house or Kugane. I don't understand having more then a single house other then to show how rich you are and to make more money selling the property eventually to someone else.

I have only one house, but I really wish I could share the house with my alts. And have more slots to share with friends. Have to keep rotating them. :S Have a friend who uses my house's stable for chocobo, another who likes to use training dummy and some who want to use my vendors/bells etc. or just come and say hi while I'm crafting.

Yes, I have more than one. I have my FC house and my personal house on my main. And I have a couple of tiny cottages for a couple of alts I play with my husband. We are roleplayers and they are their little hideaways. I had noticed the plots were idle for weeks each time and had the thought, hmmm, maybe I can buy that and share with this alt or that alt of hubby and decorate it like this to fit them. When I'm not playing those alts with hubby, I use the facilities for gardening or there is one where my friend is a tenant and he borrows the garden.

I read through the response from the two who own all of those on Mateus. The houses were there and available. They had the gil and the desire to do something with them, even if it was something that others don't value as much like decorate. If this had never become a server that many people moved over to, this never would have been an issue.

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See, you're actively using the houses for roleplay. These people decorate and will probably never visit most of these houses again, except perhaps once every now and then to make sure they don't get demolished. Like, really? Come on, now.

If anyone is seriously debating this point:

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players are questioning whether virtual housing is an equal right or

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then please log off immediately and go outside until you no longer remember why you ever cared.

These players have done nothing wrong.

They played on a server with plots that were available for a very long time. The system allowed them to buy them and they maintain them.
Now that people have come into the server in great numbers, I really hope they are not being harassed.

The housing system has many flaws and this is just one of them. Maybe something like this will encourage them to give the system some huge upgrades, like Alt sharing and storage to name one.

Technically... I own 4 houses. The FC house (which I consider all members who pooled the gil to be owners) my personal house, my husbands personal house and 1 alt's house. I have full and equal rights to all of them even if my name isn't there. SE lets me and since the housing system is so very limited, I fill the void with more plots.

I worked hard to get these plots too, I transferred to a congested server and through diligence, patience and a little bit of luck I managed to get them somehow as they relinquished from other players one by one.
I actually took a break and lost a medium plot last year! Totally my own fault but that's life.

Right from the start I would have preferred a tiny instanced cottage that you could upgrade with a lot of time, materials and gil. Add new rooms, make rooms bigger, build your own gardening plots, expand everything! I don't care if I have to gather 1000 soils to make a huge gardening patch! It would have been more engaging then a rush/competition against other players for plots where we cant even determine which way the house faces or bans us from using a glade style house in the mist ><