Just some friendly advice from a healer

When you do brand new raids that literally no one else has done either, please don't lash out at other players who messed up a mechanic. Take it easy. Relax. And remember, it's a video game...not your finals.

Likewise, if you mess up a mechanic, please don't feel like you failed. We all die from brand new fights and we also learn from those. It's ok.

Just remember, FFXIV is a game that you should enjoy. It's all good! New encounters may have wipes...it happens.

If you're a healer and a dps dies in a brand new instance, please don't call them out. Do your job and resurrect them. Believe me, they feel as bad that they died as you do for resurrecting them.


If someone berates you like this is real life, just ignore them...they probably have some real life issues going on...or they are taking it too seriously.

Play to have fun. Play smart. Remember the mechanics to be better at it next time. It's all good

~funbrowniewhitemage

Nice post ! Hopefully many many more people will think this way :).

I was doing the 3rd raid fight, healer lashed out at everyone that died. the content was 12 hours old at the time, I guess we all are supposed to be experts within 12 hours of new content being released.

Can't wait to get home from work and go through the new stuff. Not sure whether to go as my DRG or RDM though.

Well said, you have the right attitude, anyone would be lucky to have you in their team :) hopefully more players adopt this style of thinking.

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Originally Posted by Meghann

Well said, you have the right attitude, anyone would be lucky to have you in their team :) hopefully more players adopt this style of thinking.

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I will hope more have the same attitude, but won't hold my breath with some my recent DF experiences. I know there are good apples and bad apples...but some days it could just take that one bad apple to ruin your whole night of relaxing(though I try to ignore 99% of what people say to me if it's negative, doesn't always work though)

It's normal to wipe in new fights or fail a lot, but then again, when someone fails over 10 times is another story. I agree with you OP but I also hope people pay more attention, specially wanting help from others understading the mechanics, rather than ignoring it. :)

2/4 runs i had impatient tanks smash into the boss before anyone could even explain, or before i could even react to what my co healer was, and switch stances accordingly.

Boss was pulled the second the barrier dropped.

Yeah, take a chill, relax, let people have fun with new content! Enjoy what you have available, and don't stress because someone flubbed a mechanic on a brand new fight! There is no need to be upset. 'u'

There are really healer who blames other for dying in the brand new content..?
Insta-blacklist then lol

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Originally Posted by Brill_

I was doing the 3rd raid fight, healer lashed out at everyone that died. the content was 12 hours old at the time, I guess we all are supposed to be experts within 12 hours of new content being released.

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Yeah, in those moments I try to get the rest of the group to laugh with me at the absurdness of the situation before we resume/disband.

Yea had people freak out in 4.0 lol like calm yourself lol it's still new for majority of the people...And that fight is all over the place like

I've cleared them all in less than 6 hours, then went to farm v 2.0 3.0 and 4.0 through DF. Chances to farm and succeed 4.0 in DF is very slim at this time. There was this brand new party, one of the healer asked if there's anything he need to know. I said "I've cleared it through DF blindly, so will you. If we wipe, we wipe and progress through mistakes." He then started spouting how elitist I am and pray for a video guide tomorrow...
The party vote abandon after 2 wiped with 50 min left...
Talk about a spoon fed community...

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

There are really healer who blames other for dying in the brand new content..?
Insta-blacklist then lol

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sadly, there is. It's why i created this post. The rest of the full party was very supportive.

A good team i was in...it was the fourth fight. Yeah, we wiped about 4 times but you know what? Everytime we wiped, we learned each mechanic exdeath did that caused our wipe. We got better and better and, at the end, we were like a well oil machine.

Patience is truly the key when completing a brand new trial or raid. It just takes time and trial and error. The worse that comes out of these mistakes is some gear repair. We'll live to fight another day

Agreed.

I am pretty patient and if the content's new, I'm prepared for all of us to screw up anyway. It's a learning process!

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Originally Posted by Annah

When you do brand new raids that literally no one else has done either, please don't lash out at other players who messed up a mechanic. Take it easy. Relax. And remember, it's a video game...not your finals.

Likewise, if you mess up a mechanic, please don't feel like you failed. We all die from brand new fights and we also learn from those. It's ok.

Just remember, FFXIV is a game that you should enjoy. It's all good! New encounters may have wipes...it happens.

If you're a healer and a dps dies in a brand new instance, please don't call them out. Do your job and resurrect them. Believe me, they feel as bad that they died as you do for resurrecting them.


If someone berates you like this is real life, just ignore them...they probably have some real life issues going on...or they are taking it too seriously.

Play to have fun. Play smart. Remember the mechanics to be better at it next time. It's all good

~funbrowniewhitemage

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re-posting for emphasis
(if this next part offend people, you know what grow up)

My girlfriend, whom i met on ff14 is an awesome player. She takes her role as tank serious enough to learn all she can, tries her best to communicate any issue she is having. Always says she new to content, even if its her 3rd run. Over the years, people do give her a hard time when she fails. It sucks, and it doesn't help she has ASD.

This no sob story, nor a lie. She loves helping players, and enjoys working as a team. Yet people don't eat a piece of humble pie, and berate her for communicating when she sees a problem. And this had nearly made her quiet ff14. She love the game, not the community.

Ff11 community, from what she said was so much better then this, no made a fuss over cs, no one would insult others from being new. People went out of their way to help a player out.

I think we all need to grow up, and stop acting like everyone else is an Npc, wake up to reality that some things can be a bit harder to do for others then yourself. Stop playing poorly out of spite.

to tanks i say: if people pull, do everything you can to get aggro. Step up instead of letting ppl die to "teach them a lesson." Try to communicate to your party, ask before large pulling, ask what the group wants, and try to compromise. Mark mobs so they know which mob you pulled.

to healers: stop letting ppl die and not raising them out of spite, not everyone had good reaction time, and at times make poor choices. Stop punishing people by not healing/raising them. Dps isn't your job, its healing the group. Stop letting your tank get close to death, it can give people anxiety.

to dps: watch your enmity, let the tank mark mobs so runs can go smooth. Let the tank pull, the tank knows their limits. Don't pull ahead, don't run ahead. Use skills that help the group, not just blindly do dps. Attacking mobs at random, or solo killing a mob to pad your parse doesn't help the group.


to everyone: communication is key, using excuses of subjective concepts like : "this dungeon is easy" is a poor excuse to not communicate. If a tank has an issue listen, if the healers is having an issue listen, if the dps is having an issue listen. Scoffing at communication is a bad move, it doesn't make the run faster. It doesn't help in making a run successful.


When you have ASD, you already have high anxiety, and it can be hard to communicate. My g/f tries in spite of that, so she can be a good team player. When people make fun of her, scoff at her attempts to talk, it makes her role that much harder. Her first tanking experience in an endgame dungeon was some healer saying she shoulda been a stain on the bed sheets. No excuse for that.


again re-posting the above as imo it needs to be echo'ed for the reasons i stated. Jp community has no issues with acting like civil players and communicating issues out. Why does NA dc act pretty bad? no excuse imo.

I have no idea where all these horror scenarious come from. Only time I ever saw people give up on new content was Ozma due to others not placing the falling stars correctly. In ever other instance, including yesterdays new raid tier, people had fun, kept trying and talking plenty to each other. Maybe it is my positive attitude, but I rarely encounter much negativity or outright rage from others.

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Originally Posted by Brill_

I was doing the 3rd raid fight, healer lashed out at everyone that died. the content was 12 hours old at the time, I guess we all are supposed to be experts within 12 hours of new content being released.

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some players are just Pro at talking shit, and that's their only skill.

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Originally Posted by Laughlyn

some players are just Pro at talking shit, and that's their only skill.

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This. This to infinity and beyond. I know people who REFUSE to use any roulette 99% of the time unless it's with at LEAST two friends because they might just get a bad group.
If none of my friends, or FC members, wants to run a rou with me, I will queue solo...even as DPS, because I don't mind any group, I can adapt.

Meanwhile we have idiots who continue to lecture us on how "easy" everything in the game is including extremes and savage content, complete and utter nonsense if I've ever heard it.

If you're good at something difficult then you're good at it, it doesn't change the difficulty in the slightest. Don't belittle the accomplishment of yourself and others who have cleared content by lying about it being easy.

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This. This to infinity and beyond. I know people who REFUSE to use any roulette 99% of the time unless it's with at LEAST two friends because they might just get a bad group.
If none of my friends, or FC members, wants to run a rou with me, I will queue solo...even as DPS, because I don't mind any group, I can adapt.

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Personally I'm the same way. The content isn't difficult. People make it difficult. See video of a FC mate doing POTD.

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i'm never going to run potd without fc members again
randos are a plague like why would so spend so much effort to aggro fight me, to where you are always a hit away from it, and then decided when I try to swap with this rando, he decides to stop hitting the boss until I die
spite so hard it caused the entire group a complete failure

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

re-posting for emphasis
(if this next part offend people, you know what grow up)

My girlfriend, whom i met on ff14 is an awesome player. She takes her role as tank serious enough to learn all she can, tries her best to communicate any issue she is having. Always says she new to content, even if its her 3rd run. Over the years, people do give her a hard time when she fails. It sucks, and it doesn't help she has ASD.

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I hear you. That's why I made this post. A lot of folks, I think, should just relax a lot more. Everything doesn't have to be perfect or rushed to perfection faster than humanly possible.

We should have fun playing this game and when you don't have fun playing this game then there is not point in it. Your gf should bever be berated like that. Being helpful is the name of the game.

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Originally Posted by Gun-Cat

I have no idea where all these horror scenarious come from. Only time I ever saw people give up on new content was Ozma due to others not placing the falling stars correctly. In ever other instance, including yesterdays new raid tier, people had fun, kept trying and talking plenty to each other. Maybe it is my positive attitude, but I rarely encounter much negativity or outright rage from others.

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If you've only experienced amazing groups then that's awesome. Sadly, for some folks, this isn't necessarily the case.

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ya i don't get people. :/ She even said that ff11 had a way better community. And she showed me a youtube doc by a soberdwarf detailing how difficulty made for community.

She did just try the new tank buffs and they help, outside a drg and smn killing different mob, she had no real, enmity issue. Just sucks the smn had their pet on sic, (some mobs kept getting knocked back.) but she will ask dps to use enmity reducers if dps enmity is to high. Just shame ppl find it funny.
unlike jp DC , NA dc seems to think berating ppl is better then working together.

I'm proud of her though, she tanks well considering. And she tries to be pleasant and communicate, in spite of her disability.

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Originally Posted by YitharV2

Personally I'm the same way. The content isn't difficult. People make it difficult..

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Difficaulty is subjective from player to player. your "easy" could be their "savage/extreme".

And also subjective to jobs, a tank might find a fight easier then a healer.

The people who choose to make it difficult are selfish players who always assume their the majority instead of communicating with the group and coming up with a compromise.

Like a healer who will use rescue with our warning to demand large pulls, to dps who keep fighting stuff, that the tank asks them to not attack. Ora healer who picks a dps skill over a heal when the tank is close to death.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

re-posting for emphasis
(if this next part offend people, you know what grow up)

to dps: watch your enmity, let the tank mark mobs so runs can go smooth. Let the tank pull, the tank knows their limits. Don't pull ahead, don't run ahead. Use skills that help the group, not just blindly do dps. Attacking mobs at random, or solo killing a mob to pad your parse doesn't help the group.

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I get this point. As a person who mainly enjoys playing as DPS classes I never understood why people dont watch their agro or at least if you pull agro either use an agro reduction skill or jump to another enemy and allow the tank to regain control. Hell even on boss fights I have pulled from tanks and just stopped dpsing all together to allow the tank to regroup and regain control. Its really not that hard to be not only considerate but also know that everyone has their role and you are doing yours poorly being an ass.

Great post OP, finally something more positive from the community :)

We call those kinds of people "Jerks" in my neck of the woods. They, as a rule, over-estimate their own performance, and are quick to spread blame be it over the morning toast being burnt, to someone eating the last Oreo. Jerks get to be on the internet just like everyone else. You have to deal with them IRL. You have to deal with them here. FORTUNATELY HERE, as was mentioned, we do have that trusty blacklist. Too bad you can't do that IRL.

Beware tough guys with helicopter memes. They were the ones in the rear with the gear now acting like the tough guy with the thousand-yard stare.