PvP and Leveling EXP Charts.

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TL;DR, its going to take 5-7 hours longer to level in PvP 4.01 vs 4.0.
Dungeon leveling is the absolute fastest with good queue timing, otherwise it appears to be fate farming while waiting for dungeon queues as DPS is about as fast as dungeon grinding.

Side note, always do your dailies because they give a metric ton of exp.

Main EXP Chart
https://puu.sh/wBzZn/871ffd373b.png

Runs Needed Per Level
https://puu.sh/wBA0G/a7e0485387.png

Configuration for determining hours needed, Win rates I pull from the lodestone weekly rankings.
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Resulting data of time needed to level
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Did you take into account Secure and Seal Rock modes which have different Match Lengths? Or just Shatter.

Any chance you can add the 15-49 data to that?

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Did you take into account Secure and Seal Rock modes which have different Match Lengths? Or just Shatter.

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This is just shatter since so far its had the best queues and shortest match times, while being more even on the win rates. I suspect that even with longer match times (more exp) in those modes, that queue timing/averages will likely play in shatter's favor.
Feel free to reply with the exp results you get from those modes, include your level and win/loss and I can toss it into a formula.

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Originally Posted by PrinceBrightstar

Any chance you can add the 15-49 data to that?

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I'll just tell you off the bat that its MSQ, At Level Dungeons if instant queues possible, PoTD for main class, and PoTD for any alt classes (armory bonus)
PoTD EXP Table: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2137694813

Might as well do POTD less aggrevation.

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Originally Posted by Zido

"This is just shatter since so far its had the best queues and shortest match times, while being more even on the win rates. I suspect that even with longer match times (more exp) in those modes, that queue timing/averages will likely play in shatter's favor."
Feel free to reply with the exp results you get from those modes, include your level and win/loss and I can toss it into a formula.

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Personally I find that The Feast 8v8 seem to be the fastest both que and match, and have a higher win chance, I would very much love to know the date for The Feast.

What lvl 60 dungeon did you do for that XP? I did my 50-60 roulette, and got half the value on my 60 BLM (and have 70s, so it's not armory).

well, that's a letdown.

Statistically speaking, less people playing PvP does mean less AFKers, so you can't say Square Enix didn't accomplish what they set out to do.

Baby and bathwater, though.

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Originally Posted by Marluxia

Statistically speaking, less people playing PvP does mean less AFKers, so you can't say Square Enix didn't accomplish what they set out to do.

Baby and bathwater, though.

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i'm not sure if i was lucky or something, but i haven't met many afkers in pvp after 4.0 released and i've grinded my DRG from 66 to 70. that was from nothing but pvp and level roulette. i've only met 2 or 3 and we just kick them.

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Originally Posted by The-Pope

i'm not sure if i was lucky or something, but i haven't met many afkers in pvp after 4.0 released and i've grinded my DRG from 66 to 70. that was from nothing but pvp and level roulette. i've only met 2 or 3 and we just kick them.

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I haven't either. Out of maybe around 100 games over the course of the week, MAYBE I had two AFKers out of all 100 games.

Square trying to remove a problem that wasn't really there.

I'm confused by the PotD experience listed in the chart, I'm only getting 367,200 experience per run of 51-60 at level 58, half what you have listed (and only about 10% per level).

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Originally Posted by Marluxia

Statistically speaking, less people playing PvP does mean less AFKers, so you can't say Square Enix didn't accomplish what they set out to do.

Baby and bathwater, though.

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I bet the % (of afk'ers) on a team is higher on average though...all that matters :p

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Originally Posted by Raynadon

I'm confused by the PotD experience listed in the chart, I'm only getting 367,200 experience per run of 51-60 at level 58, half what you have listed (and only about 10% per level).

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That takes into consideration the 50% (60+...100% pre-60) armory bonus. If you do it on your highest level job you will only get ~2/3 what the chart says.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

That takes into consideration the 50% (60+...100% pre-60) armory bonus. If you do it on your highest level job you will only get ~2/3 what the chart says.

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Gotcha, thanks for the clarification.

Does this take into account average match times vs time to clear dungeons, and the duration EXP changes at all? Prior to today, a Shatter/Seize match could be 9-11 minutes on average, wheras PotD can often take anywhere from 12-20 minutes. Dungeons usually take even longer (~25 minutes?). Solo fates are pretty slow to complete as well.

For me, even if the PvP EXPrate/minute isn't quite as good, it's still a little more engaging than leveling roulette or the 300'th PotD run. And more options are always good to break up the grind. Will usually run dungeons a bit as tank/heal just to get used to the party play.

There's just no way that 20min average dungeon duration + queue is accurate. I'd wager the average leveling dungeon run alone takes more than 20m . Let alone the fact that most people (hence the longs queues) aren't playing tank or healer so there's no way that on average people get near instant queues.

Of course people are able to actually complete other exp rewarding activities while in queue but that's another issue altogether

Sharing a post here that I originally made on Reddit about PVP EXP. I think it bears repeating on the OF.

TL;DR - the people hurt are core pvp'ers due to longer potential queues, and casual pvp'ers who see this as a great way to level - even if theyre not great at pvp. afkers still win, they dont care and are still getting xp.

its unfortunate honestly, and i see this as a net loss for everyone with the approach that SE took with the pvp nerf. for a okay-ish player like me - the EXP was a great carrot to get me into pvp (i'm only a 25% win rate at Frontlines). with the nerf and likelihood of losses, i will be queuing for pvp substantially less. opting for a more steady and reliable xp gain / speed of leveling - likely POTD.

while i dont believe i represent the entire community, i feel that i am not going to be alone with the above, especially as se continues to cater to newbies - and folks with limited time. from that i believe pvp queue times could increase - making getting in for your core pvp'ers longer.

the real issue is that afkers will still afk. they're not doing anything already, they show they already dont care. so i dont think getting xp slower is going to deter them - they dont care.

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Originally Posted by Marluxia

I haven't either. Out of maybe around 100 games over the course of the week, MAYBE I had two AFKers out of all 100 games.

Square trying to remove a problem that wasn't really there.

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From my experience most of them weren't really AFK in the traditional sense - they weren't just standing at the spawn point doing nothing. Instead they were running around in circles in a quiet area of the map, or they were on their mount moving slowly against a wall. I'm not sure if it's still the same now, but if you take a look at the match statistics when it ends you'll see a few players at the bottom of the list who did barely any damage to ice or other players - not in a wow, they must be bad at this sense, but in a wow, they literally did nothing sense. In some matches I was seeing a couple of players who did literally nothing, no damage, no healing and died several times.

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Personally I don't think experience should be a PvP incentive in the first place - or if there is one it shouldn't be half as high as it is. There are already several mounts and minions from PvP along with well over 1,000 achievement points available from it (The Feast alone has 64 individual achievements associated with it).

I just want to say as a hardcore PvPer: We did it cause we enjoyed it, not because of XP. We'd have still played because we enjoy it even if XP wasn't given. You've got to understand until 4.0 PvP was a bit of a dead end endgame activity as far as progression was concerned. And the community that formed around it treated our leveling and PvP as 2 separate things.

It sucks that numbers will perhaps drop off and queues may become longer, but if you tried it and like it, keep queueing. At least now you GET XP. Don't do it purely for leveling. Run your dungeons, run PotD, do FATEs; get all the leveling done that you want to. But when you wanna compete against other players for fun, leave your level at the door, and give it your all.

Hi, thank you for your work, can you share your google sheet with us? I would like to make a copy of it and tweaks some numbers...

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Originally Posted by Veisper

Hi, thank you for your work, can you share your google sheet with us? I would like to make a copy of it and tweaks some numbers...

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The responses are here, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

The core datasheet is in excel. When I get home I'll move it to a google sheet.

I don't think it is fair for PvP's being able to to have so much XP in their system due to people would go in and do nothing.

So here is my question then.. it seems like there is some debate now whether or not this chart is accurate.

I plan on leveling my DRK from 30-60 (I'll do 60-70 later). What would be the fastest route then at this point?

I know Dungeons can take well over 20 mins if you don't have a competent group, or any synergy. Would PoTD be the best method at this point - or PVP?

Just want to spike my DRK up as fast as possible.

IMO PvP is a great inbetween after running roulettes and an at level dungeon and best for leveling even with the xp nerf. Matches are really quick as are queues. And its always fun to stab a few people.

How much exp would you say you get - compared to what was posted by the OP for a Win/Loss?

I'd assume EXP gain is effected by Armory Bonus as well, correct?

This is epic. A lot of time and effort has gone into this. Gives me a little hope in leveling another job ^^. Pvp has become fun now.

Well done!