WHM needs either a DPS buff, or utility

Now that we're able to visually see the power of ASTs Balance, and just how much it makes a difference to the raid DPS, I think we need a DPS increase.

In terms of our own DPS, we're not that far ahead of AST. Yet on top of ASTs own DPS, it offers a good 500-600 DPS to the raid.

Now I'm not saying we should be doing 500 DPS above other healers, but we really have nothing that can compete with that. Our two main mechanics that were supposed to push us ahead, Lilies and Confessions, are mostly treated as passive buffs that doesn't need much attention. It's even joked that we should delete the lily gauge off our hotbars to successfully play a decent WHM, which is a problem in of itself.

If you can actually make something unique and supportive out of confessions and lilies that's fine too, but if not, more direct DPS from us would do just fine.

If they balance around Omega's Delta floors... I don't think WHM is getting any kind of fixing, mostly thanks to SE kneecapping SCH. It will still be a problem long term though, because once SCH is fixed again... WHM will be back to being the only healer that can't buff raid DPS (while all the others can still heal just fine, if not better).

The scholars look at this post and just cry in a sad corner in pure disbelief...

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Originally Posted by Firemblem

The scholars look at this post and just cry in a sad corner in pure disbelief...

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Do you really think SCH won't be buffed in 4.05?

Now whether it will be enough is another question. But then it's back to my previous post. As soon as SE fixes SCH... sooner or later... WHM's fundamental design issues will cause problems once again.

For my part, I'd rather a raid DPS buff for WHM instead of personal DPS increase. In fact, nerf WHM DPS if they have to. Raid utility is the better deal.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Do you really think SCH won't be buffed in 4.05?

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After years of joke with paladin...Better to not expect anything and be surprised when any change comes XD

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Originally Posted by Firemblem

After years of joke with paladin...Better to not expect anything and be surprised when any change comes XD

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...OK yes, and with SE's recent track record here in particular, caution really is the way to go. Still, the ideas are the same. If WHM is OK just because one of the others has been unreasonably crippled... that's really not a comfortable place to be. Nor is it exactly great design.

Incredibly strong sustaining and bursting heals. Very good personal DPS, insane MP management, the ability to Raise people for free (can even Raise two for free with Swifcast and Presence of mind plus decent Spell Speed. But please Buff WHM and please give us more utility than being able to Raise people for nothing. K mate

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Originally Posted by Starflake

Incredibly strong sustaining and bursting heals. Very good personal DPS, insane MP management, the ability to Raise people for free (can even Raise two for free with Swifcast and Presence of mind plus decent Spell Speed. But please Buff WHM and please give us more utility than being able to Raise people for nothing. K mate

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Right, because there's not some other healer with even stronger heals and the strongest, longest lasting DPS buff in the game...

I think people are grossly underestimating the value of the MP sustain WHM currently brings to the table - especially for raid groups progressing through content that don't play at the World First / speed run skill level. With the way WHM is currently designed, it brings a large safety net and recovery potential that can't really be matched by the other two healers.

I'd say that Balance just needs to go back to 10%. That's it.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

I think people are grossly underestimating the value of the MP sustain WHM currently brings to the table - especially for raid groups progressing through content that don't play at the World First / speed run skill level. With the way WHM is currently designed, it brings a large safety net and recovery potential that can't really be matched by the other two healers.

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Having played AST in the current content, I'm not so sure I agree. WHM sustain is very, very strong now, yes. But AST's MP is not exactly unforgiving. I can toss out supershields and resses at will and still have MP to spare. The shields in particular make mechanics we've seen so far very forgiving.

I do think AST+WHM will be the way to go for huge recovery potential. If/When SE buffs SCH... then I suspect people will want balance + stratagem/fey wind more than resses + more resses. (And, of course, RDM can instacast every res...)

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Having played AST in the current content, I'm not so sure I agree. WHM sustain is very, very strong now, yes. But AST's MP is not exactly unforgiving. I can toss out supershields and resses at will and still have MP to spare. The shields in particular make mechanics we've seen so far very forgiving.

I do think AST+WHM will be the way to go for huge recovery potential. If/When SE buffs SCH... then I suspect people will want balance + stratagem/fey wind more than resses + more resses. (And, of course, RDM can instacast every res...)

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This is also assuming Astrologian isn't nerfed as well. If WHM, and this is an IF not knowing their thinking, is the one they think is right Sch will be buffed a bit and Ast will be brought down a bit.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Right, because there's not some other healer with even stronger heals and the strongest, longest lasting DPS buff in the game...

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Atrologian does not have stronger heals than White Mage, at all, also does not have near the same DPS. It has one dot and a weaker spam move. WHM have to very strong dots, assize and a strong filler. Balance needs a nerf, and that's all.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

Atrologian does not have stronger heals than White Mage, at all, also does not have near the same DPS. It has one dot and a weaker spam move. WHM have to very strong dots, assize and a strong filler. Balance needs a nerf, and that's all.

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AST's overall healing potential is actually higher than WHMs if you look at the kits in tandem. However, AST's output is limited by their GCDs compared to the massive multitude of oGCD options WHM has thus allowing WHM to have a higher overall throughput.

WHMs have better burst potential
ASTs have better overall potential

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Originally Posted by Starflake

Atrologian does not have stronger heals than White Mage, at all, also does not have near the same DPS. It has one dot and a weaker spam move. WHM have to very strong dots, assize and a strong filler. Balance needs a nerf, and that's all.

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Um, what?

Cure Potency: 450 for 600mp
Benefic Potency: 440/460 for 480mp
Cure vs Benefic: About the same, slightly ahead or behind depending on stance

Cure 2 Potency: 700 for 1200mp
Benefic 2 Potency: 715/747.5 for 1080mp
Cure 2 vs Benefic 2: Benefic 2 is always stronger.

Medica Potency: 300 for 1680mp
Helios Potency: 330/345 for 1440mp
Medica vs Helios: Helios is always stronger.

Medica 2 Potency: 200+50 per tick for 2040mp
Aspected Helios Potency (Diurnal only): 220+44 per tick for 1800mp
M2 vs AH: Aspected Helios leads on initial hit by 20 potency, while Medica 2 leads on the HoT effect by 6 potency.

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Having played AST in the current content, I'm not so sure I agree. WHM sustain is very, very strong now, yes. But AST's MP is not exactly unforgiving. I can toss out supershields and resses at will and still have MP to spare. The shields in particular make mechanics we've seen so far very forgiving.

I do think AST+WHM will be the way to go for huge recovery potential. If/When SE buffs SCH... then I suspect people will want balance + stratagem/fey wind more than resses + more resses. (And, of course, RDM can instacast every res...)

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Time will tell. I think right now WHMs don't have as many things to fear as they did during Heavensward. By 3.4 WHM was basically AST minus the cards.

In the current iteration, WHM now offers massive MP sustainability and while AST also has potent sustain due to lower healing costs and extended Lucid Dreaming, they lack the 0MP heals WHM has. WHM also have more burst potential in the form of having Assize, Tetra, Divine Benison, Benediction, and Plenary Indulgence with Pressence of Mind increasing their potential throughput even faster for a brief period of time. This is versus AST's Essential Dignity, Earthly Star, and Lady of Crowns.

Also in your potency post, don't forget that Aspected Benefic > Regen in terms of potency/GCD. You will need to reapply AB more often but that's a small price to pay for an overall stronger passive heal.

I stand corrected.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

WHM also have more burst potential in the form of having Assize, Tetra, Divine Benison, Benediction, and Plenary Indulgence with Pressence of Mind increasing their potential throughput even faster for a brief period of time. This is versus AST's Essential Dignity, Earthly Star, and Lady of Crowns.

Also in your potency post, don't forget that Aspected Benefic > Regen in terms of potency/GCD. You will need to reapply AB more often but that's a small price to pay for an overall stronger passive heal.

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And cure III ! I love cure III :o
And Medica still have 5 more range.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

Incredibly strong sustaining and bursting heals. Very good personal DPS, insane MP management, the ability to Raise people for free (can even Raise two for free with Swifcast and Presence of mind plus decent Spell Speed. But please Buff WHM and please give us more utility than being able to Raise people for nothing. K mate

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Nearly every healer can do everything you just said. Even AST can raise for significantly reduced MP cost, and at a much quicker speed with Lightspeed.

Moreover, none of that sounds even close to a 40s AOE 10% dmg buff.
All you're saying is that WHM is "fine", which it is. But it's lacking something every other healer offers, and once SCH is back on their feet, the problem is going to be made extremely obvious.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

Incredibly strong sustaining and bursting heals. Very good personal DPS, insane MP management, the ability to Raise people for free (can even Raise two for free with Swifcast and Presence of mind plus decent Spell Speed. But please Buff WHM and please give us more utility than being able to Raise people for nothing. K mate

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Some WHM continues to believe that this job is really weak.... while it is not (and I feel they have a kind of hatred and / or despair). None of the job are perfect, we know.
WHM may have some changes but nothing extraordinary, I think (some tweak in numbers for IP or Lilies, that's it).

All I would like to see, if the WHM build not be so dependant on RNG. I just did delta 1, the other whm in the pug had FOUR confession up and mine came up so infrequently, that i think i used it once the entire fight.

COnfession = rng
Cure 1, free cure 2 = rng
Lilies = rng

then there is the ALL LILIES used for a shield, that gains no additional power at 2-3 lilies.