PVP xp nerf

I did a quick test and it looks like 1st place gives the old xp value and 2nd and 3rd place were nerfed pretty hard.

POTD at level 60 gives 583,200 xp with the 50% buff.
FL with second place gives 418,500 xp at level 60. I can only assume 3rd place xp is beyond awful.

This makes POTD the best leveling spot for the majority of the player base. This could pretty easily kill pvp queues again. It's a really dumb decision imo.

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Originally Posted by Pomo

I did a quick test and it looks like 1st place gives the old xp value and 2nd and 3rd place were nerfed pretty hard.

POTD at level 60 gives 583,200 xp with the 50% buff.
FL with second place gives 418,500 xp at level 60. I can only assume 3rd place xp is beyond awful.

This makes POTD the best leveling spot for the majority of the player base. This could pretty easily kill pvp queues again. It's a really dumb decision imo.

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Can't wait for 10-15 min que for pvp soon once people start seeing the xp nerf hit. This really hurts the real pvpers then the afkers lol

People ask for measures against AFKers
wat SE do?
Kill exp gain, the one incentive SB brought to pvp o:

Was enjoying pvp healing too. So much for taking alts into it.

642k winning shattered
583k potd
459k losing pvp

AT level 62

This only makes the afk problem worse. Afkers will still be there because it was never about how much xp you got it was that you could get it for zero effort by afking. This is still true its just less efficient. And now people on teams who have a bunch of afkers are punished even more.

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Originally Posted by Dieworc

This only makes the afk problem worse. Afkers will still be there because it was never about how much xp you got it was that you could get it for zero effort by afking. This is still true its just less efficient. And now people on teams who have a bunch of afkers are punished even more.

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I am now going to be guilty of it.......cause, i was just on a team, where i actually snuck over at start of match, and capped an enemy base, drawing whole team back, both other teams had 800 points to our 200!!!....so I will apologize in advance fi i end up on yoruuteam.....IDGAF! SOrry SE just wants to DRAG out our subscriptions, but how about giving us quality NEW stuff, not recycling the same mobs and gear, just recoloring them, and add some BEEF to the game.

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Originally Posted by Sylvaneste

642k winning shattered
583k potd
459k losing pvp

AT level 62

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If PotD is giving the same amount of exp at lvl 62 and 60 (both your post, and an earlier post mention 583k), then it's safe to assume that it stops scaling with lvl after 60.

If the exp reward from a frontline loss increases linearly, at 20,250 per level (418,5k at 60, 459k at 62), that'd mean it won't surpass PotD exp until lvl 69.

This is an absolutely horrible idea and change. If anything they should have just increased exp gain for a win and not reduced the losing sides. Or added an auto kick function after a certain amount of time for people not doing damage/healing to players/ice.

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Originally Posted by Sylvaneste

642k winning shattered
583k potd
459k losing pvp

AT level 62

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Still debatable that people will automatically choose doing POTD and paying some attention for 583k, or take the hit and pay very little in frontlines.

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Originally Posted by Aescwhisky

Was enjoying pvp healing too. So much for taking alts into it.

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If you enjoyed it, then you don't need to get XP for doing it. You'd do it for fun.

If you guys really enjoyed PvP, you would queue it regardless. That percentage nerf for 2nd and 3rd place isn't really worth crying over. You guys should be glad they even added EXP to PvP. Otherwise you'd farm FATEs on your DPS job to 70.

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Originally Posted by odeimouto

If you guys really enjoyed PvP, you would queue it regardless. That percentage nerf for 2nd and 3rd place isn't really worth crying over. You guys should be glad they even added EXP to PvP. Otherwise you'd farm FATEs on your DPS job to 70.

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Nah PotD will be back in vogue to 69/70 now...losing PvP = PoTD with 50% armory bonus at 69 (and worse 60-68) now soooooo yeah, enjoy the massive increase in afk players in PvP because those actually participating but not in love with PvP stop queue'ing.

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I'm still leveling through pvp regardless since even with the new dumbed down system I still get satisfaction from beating up on players.
The exp nerf is a shame, yet I'm sadly not surprised as this is far from the first time SE tried to change something in pvp and it didn't fix a damn thing.

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Originally Posted by Koltik

If you enjoyed it, then you don't need to get XP for doing it. You'd do it for fun.

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This. And honestly if you're healing in PvP anyway you should be winning a lot of games based on that alone :P

People were crying for an xp nerf, they got it, now they'll have to enjoy the long wait queues while people go back to PoTD, I was enjoying PvP for the first time as it was fun and rewarding regardless of win/loss, this doesn't hurt AFK'ers, they don't care how slowly, quickly they level so long as the xp is easy, well done to all those that cried for this.

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Originally Posted by Meghann

People were crying for an xp nerf, they got it, now they'll have to enjoy the long wait queues while people go back to PoTD, I was enjoying PvP for the first time as it was fun and rewarding regardless of win/loss, this doesn't hurt AFK'ers, they don't care how slowly, quickly they level so long as the xp is easy, well done to all those that cried for this.

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Shame that the EXP nerf totally undid all that fun you were having! Now you can't have anymore fun -__-

players will still queue for it, i don't worry about this.
but anyway, it don't fix anything, like everyone said Boter and afk don't care how fast they exp. If there a way to do something and get afk, its appeling enough.
To fix this i have suggestions :
5 minute votekick is good for dungeon but not in pvp.
something to detect boter and autokick.
Maybe detecting a minimum action requierment. stricly minimum off course but enough to find some afkers or bot.
Also tweak the reward can do the trick sometimes but not everytimes, this case need a true fix penalizing only afker and boter.

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Originally Posted by kensatsu

If there a way to do something and get afk, its appeling enough.

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PvP had slackers since Secure so they will always be there as long as there are any kind of reward in PvP, imbalanced exp just made it more obvious as everyone was abusing it.

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Originally Posted by Sylvaneste

^^^^^^^

I am now going to be guilty of it.......cause, i was just on a team, where i actually snuck over at start of match, and capped an enemy base, drawing whole team back, both other teams had 800 points to our 200!!!....so I will apologize in advance fi i end up on yoruuteam.....IDGAF! SOrry SE just wants to DRAG out our subscriptions, but how about giving us quality NEW stuff, not recycling the same mobs and gear, just recoloring them, and add some BEEF to the game.

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Welp, you heard it here, from the player themselves. Give him the boot folks. He "DGAF" anyways.

You got plenty of ways to get XP. Don't choose the worst way, and drag down others in the process. Because now that you've basically declared you're going to settle for less, I'm sure plenty of other players will be glad to make that "less" be 0.

It wont stop afk'er, since they still get amount of exp doing nothing, better than doing something to them... even bots will keep doing.

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Originally Posted by Pomo

I did a quick test and it looks like 1st place gives the old xp value and 2nd and 3rd place were nerfed pretty hard.

POTD at level 60 gives 583,200 xp with the 50% buff.
FL with second place gives 418,500 xp at level 60. I can only assume 3rd place xp is beyond awful.

This makes POTD the best leveling spot for the majority of the player base. This could pretty easily kill pvp queues again. It's a really dumb decision imo.

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Frontline 3rd place XP is still greater than POTD XP post 60.

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Originally Posted by Dizhonor

Frontline 3rd place XP is still greater than POTD XP post 60.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ing-EXP-Charts.

It isn't for the most part. Your comment is sneaky at best and a lie at worst. With the 50% buff, potd beats out pvp until 69. That's going to be true for a majority of the playerbase as you only need to get one character leveled to receive the 50% buff post-60 for the rest of your jobs. The msq and duty roulette are going to get at least one of your characters to 70 with very little extra grinding involved.

This was still a really dumb decision by yoshi and doesn't do anything to keep the afkers and bots out of pvp. There were afkers and bots in pvp for the Garo gear and nothing was done about it. The best thing they could have done was to greatly reduce the cool time on kicks. It wouldn't stop teams of afkers and bots, but this nerf doesn't either.

[QUOTE=Pomo;4271536]http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ing-EXP-Charts.

It isn't for the most part. Your comment is sneaky at best and a lie at worst. With the 50% buff, potd beats out pvp until 69. That's going to be true for a majority of the playerbase as you only need to get one character leveled to receive the 50% buff post-60 for the rest of your jobs. The msq and duty roulette are going to get at least one of your characters to 70 with very little extra grinding involved.

Well to be fair he is not Level 70 with a Job so he not gets the Buff currently. In that case actually PVP is better if you have no Job at 70. At leats if you totally ignore all the other parts of the Expansion which get your first Job quite easy to level 70.

[QUOTE=Tharia;4271580]

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Originally Posted by Pomo

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ing-EXP-Charts.

It isn't for the most part. Your comment is sneaky at best and a lie at worst. With the 50% buff, potd beats out pvp until 69. That's going to be true for a majority of the playerbase as you only need to get one character leveled to receive the 50% buff post-60 for the rest of your jobs. The msq and duty roulette are going to get at least one of your characters to 70 with very little extra grinding involved.

Well to be fair he is not Level 70 with a Job so he not gets the Buff currently. In that case actually PVP is better if you have no Job at 70. At leats if you totally ignore all the other parts of the Expansion which get your first Job quite easy to level 70.

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True. If you ignore everything else, then I can see that being true. However, I don't see that often being the case. Also, one good thing to come out of the pvp xp nerf is that dungeon queues seem to be much shorter than they used to be. At the very least, I seem to be getting in between 10 and 20 minutes as dps when it used to be 30-40+. Of course, this may change when schools start up again in the following month or so.

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Originally Posted by Pomo

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ing-EXP-Charts.

It isn't for the most part. Your comment is sneaky at best and a lie at worst. With the 50% buff, potd beats out pvp until 69. That's going to be true for a majority of the playerbase as you only need to get one character leveled to receive the 50% buff post-60 for the rest of your jobs. The msq and duty roulette are going to get at least one of your characters to 70 with very little extra grinding involved.

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WRONG. Check your facts before you call me a liar.

I just ran Frontline as a lvl 69 warrior and received 600K experience points for 3rd place. And I just ran POTD as a lvl 69 warrior and received 388K experience. Why? Because after lvl 60, your XP is capped at 388K experience for POTD. Every POTD I've ran on my warrior after lvl 60 has been 388K experience.

So GG.

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Originally Posted by Dizhonor

WRONG. Check your facts before you call me a liar.

I just ran Frontline as a lvl 69 warrior and received 600K experience points for 3rd place. And I just ran POTD as a lvl 69 warrior and received 388K experience. Why? Because after lvl 60, your XP is capped at 388K experience for POTD. Every POTD I've ran on my warrior after lvl 60 has been 388K experience.

So GG.

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I'm pretty sure POTD gives more xp with the armoury bonus. Is Warrior your highest level job? If so, that's why.

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Originally Posted by Dieworc

This only makes the afk problem worse. Afkers will still be there because it was never about how much xp you got it was that you could get it for zero effort by afking. This is still true its just less efficient. And now people on teams who have a bunch of afkers are punished even more.

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And all of this could have been solved by SE making a public statement that they would permanently ban anyone who afk's in pvp and actually follow through with it.

players before : silent or calling for things

players now : insults , calling ppl every name on the book and what not :(


oh and waiting on queue way more time than before :(

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Originally Posted by Dizhonor

WRONG. Check your facts before you call me a liar.

I just ran Frontline as a lvl 69 warrior and received 600K experience points for 3rd place. And I just ran POTD as a lvl 69 warrior and received 388K experience. Why? Because after lvl 60, your XP is capped at 388K experience for POTD. Every POTD I've ran on my warrior after lvl 60 has been 388K experience.

So GG.

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Reading is hard. "With the 50% buff, potd beats out pvp until 69"

"your XP is capped at 388K experience for POTD. Every POTD I've ran on my warrior after lvl 60 has been 388K experience."
That is called ignorance or your purposefully lying to me. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're just ignorant and don't know the 50% boost exists because you're new and have never leveled up another job.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

oh and waiting on queue way more time than before :(

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I still get less than 3 min pops so for me nothing changed.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

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1: Players always called and will still call for obvious thing as crystal. You don't need it if you just play with your map open like anyone in FL should do. However, when it involved something that was a tiny bit "strategic" like: "kill *GC* because they are 100 pt from win" or "sandwich *GC*", be sure everyone ignored it or just don't call for it at all. Instead: "CRYSTAAALLL!!!".
Where was the strategy here?

2: First time in frontlines? That always existed. Garo was the 1st event that brought incentive for wining, yet no one complained about it, and chat didn't become more toxic at that time.

3: I waited 2 min 30 at 2 AM to get a 72 shatter. Litterally unplayable.

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Originally Posted by Meghann

People were crying for an xp nerf, they got it, now they'll have to enjoy the long wait queues while people go back to PoTD, I was enjoying PvP for the first time as it was fun and rewarding regardless of win/loss, this doesn't hurt AFK'ers, they don't care how slowly, quickly they level so long as the xp is easy, well done to all those that cried for this.

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Please show me where more than like 10 people were crying for a xp nerf lol. You make it sound like this entire forum wanted the nerf.

Little shit, now I have to wait 45 seconds to enter Frontline, before it was 30 seconds.
ha ha ha ha ha
People assume that the only problem in PVP was the AFK when it was just one of the problems, the attitude of the people was shit, they did not think about "winning" only thought that the frontlien were fast.

How make a timer like 1 min and your auto kicked from matches and repeat offence = temp ban from pvp for 30 mins and if keeps doing counts up by 1 hour each kick

For the interest of playtime spent, pvp frontline (specifically, Shatter) is still the fastest way to level up whether you win or lose. Here're some data from my lv62 character:

POTD run (average 12-15 min): 583,200 exp
Frontline PvP: (average 7 - 13 min): 614,250 exp (1st place), 438,750 exp (2nd or 3rd place)

Unless you're going to grind potd floor 51-60 with an experienced & highly attentive group of speedrunner, it's rarely finished under the 14 minute marks. For the waiting queue time between pvp match (maximum 5 min) you could always go look for those SB daily hunt, they gives around 115 K exp per monster. And don't forget about leveling, lv50/60, & trial roullete (at least those 3)

Was hoping to find more interesting things such as the pvp battle changes, balancing on jobs (yes drk and sch), "gib stun war".

But no lmao lets talk about xp in pvp rofl before we had garoboyos, now new era there are also stormbloodboyos owo